The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am not just talking about provincial honours (as you well know) I am talking about competing in division 1 properly/or in the championship.

Meath and Kildare should be doing better than Mayo/Donegal on population/facilities/ geography alone.

Those very things which are said to be part of Dublin's advantages.
Yet when it come to Kildare and Meath-
all the same logic used to attack Dublin is conveniently forgotten / not applied to Kildare/Meath relative to other counties.

Most of my attacks are towards the Gaa forfunding Dublin the way they did. Im slightly less annoyed with the refusal of most Dubs to acknowledge that the finances have little to do with their recent successes.

largepants wrote: »

Most of my attacks are towards the Gaa forfunding Dublin the way they did. Im slightly less annoyed with the refusal of most Dubs to acknowledge that the finances have little to do with their recent successes.

But the problem is in the argument my imply that finances is the sole reason for Dublin's success.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I disagree that Dublin are overfunded as the per registered player and per captia is a misnomer.

And you can disagree that grass is green. And you'd be wrong there too. The figures are there in black and white.

(Awaiting your response claiming that sometimes, sun starched grass is yellow, and when it's covered by snow, grass can be claimed to be white and how you've a friend from Derry who told you the grass up there is actually blue- this is the standard of argument I've come to expect from you)

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Because some Dublin clubs have to cover areas bigger than a lot of counties, also other clubs are so big they require the money as logistically it is much harder to run than a smaller club.

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Dublin clubs cover bigger areas than clubs in larger, more rural counties? Proof of this please?

Proof for the claim that logistically larger clubs are harder to run too? I'd have thought more members paying fees would tend to make things easier. I'm sure you'll root out a single exception and claim that this is actually the rule though.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not only that Dublin face a constant battle for players against rugby and soccer.
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Jesus Christ- there is competition from other sports in every county in Ireland. Dublin is not exceptional in this regard. This is obvious to everyone outside Dublin.

gaffer91 wrote: »

And you can disagree that grass is green. And you'd be wrong there too. The figures are there in black and white.

(Awaiting your response claiming that sometimes, sun starched grass is yellow, and when it's covered by snow, grass can be claimed to be white and how you've a friend from Derry who told you the grass up there is actually blue- this is the standard of argument I've come to expect from you)



Dublin clubs cover bigger areas than clubs in larger, more rural counties? Proof of this please?

Proof for the claim that logistically larger clubs are harder to run too? I'd have thought more members paying fees would tend to make things easier. I'm sure you'll root out a single exception and claim that this is actually the rule though.



Jesus Christ- there is competition from other sports in every county in Ireland. Dublin is not exceptional in this regard. This is obvious to everyone outside Dublin.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jPTnqpYCmQfVYX6i54jxeeoxSOY&ll=53.2988161187218%2C-6.251134762686661&z=11


Look up the population of Finglas - Erin's Isle the sole club
Look up the population of Clonadalkdin - Round towers the sole club

Also Dublin is very soccer-centric (granted the majority support English soccer and not the LOI)
But there are huge areas of working class Dublin which are soccer areas first and foremost - Tallaght for example.

Also you will notice from the map the wide open spaces in Rugby D4 country where Dublin does have a senior club.
Clann na Gael is tiny.

gaffer91 wrote: »

The GAA in general will not survive as it is unless the Dublin problem is addressed. Certainly not at inter-county level anyway.

Also, given that this is a GAA forum, it's a bit alarming how you manage to insert a bit of xenophobic dog-whistling into threads so frequently.

That is not being xenophobic.
It is just a fact they may not have an affinity with the GAA or like Irish pub culture

The GAA are aware of this

https://ulster.gaa.ie/coaching-old/foreign-nationals/

It will be accentuated in Dublin because that is where people go for jobs.
So there is a lot of extra work for Dublin.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jPTnqpYCmQfVYX6i54jxeeoxSOY&ll=53.2988161187218%2C-6.251134762686661&z=11


Look up the population of Finglas - Erin's Isle the sole club
Look up the population of Clonadalkdin - Round towers the sole club

Also Dublin is very soccer-centric (granted the majority support English soccer and not the LOI)
But there are huge areas of working class Dublin which are soccer areas first and foremost - Tallaght for example.

Also you will notice from the map the wide open spaces in Rugby D4 country where Dublin does have a senior club.
Clann na Gael is tiny.

Finglas has 8 soccer teams that Erin's Isle has to compete with for players , it is basically the same in every part of Dublin then if you add in Rugby and other sports it is a mammoth task to attract then hold players . No other county has that competition for players.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/dublin-soccer/finglas.htm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Non Irish people will be a majority in Dublin within a generation? I'm a bit skeptical of that claim.

Take a spin around Blanchardstown or Balbriggan and you might get a shock lad, they wont be the majority but a census around that time will be interesting

gaffer91 wrote: »

The GAA in general will not survive as it is unless the Dublin problem is addressed. Certainly not at inter-county level anyway.

Also, given that this is a GAA forum, it's a bit alarming how you manage to insert a bit of xenophobic dog-whistling into threads so frequently.

It is not xenophobic at all. You should read Project 2040. 400,000 new immigrants vast majority of whom will live in Dublin and satellite towns.

It is relevant to GAA because it is unique part of Irish culture that has little appeal to most immigrants. Point being that it is not, and will not benefit Dublin GAA. Which should make you happy.

Dog whistle is meaningless phrase used to avoid debating these issues, by the way.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Finglas has 8 soccer teams that Erin's Isle has to compete with for players , it is basically the same in every part of Dublin then if you add in Rugby and other sports it is a mammoth task to attract then hold players . No other county has that competition for players.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/dublin-soccer/finglas.htm

In fairness to the country lads it is understanble that they cannot fathom it.
In every village or town down the country lads play for their local club as if it is a rite of passage.
In Dublin there are many who are vehemently anti GAA - my parents have a neighbour who won't bring his young lad to GAA games - he refers to it as bogball.
You don't really get that down the country.
I remember I attended one of the first soccer games in Croke Park v France/Italy.
There were some Dublin soccer fans who were a bit lost there it was kind of funny/sad.
They were obviously never there in thier lives (not young lads)

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness to the country lads it is understanble that they cannot fathom it.
In every village or town down the country lads play for their local club as if it is a rite of passage.
In Dublin there are many who are vehemently anti GAA - my parents have a neighbour who won't bring his young lad to GAA games - he refers to it as bogball.
You don't really get that down the country.
I remember I attended one of the first soccer games in Croke Park v France/Italy.
There were some Dublin soccer fans who were a bit lost there it was kind of funny/sad.
They were obviously never there in thier lives (not young lads)

I hear ya, i grew up in Finglas so i only know too well the anti GAA that goes on even from my own MA and Da and her parents where from Kildare with her cousins on the panel Its seems to be my age group now that are embracing it more and making sure their kids are involved with a GAA club , i dont live in Finglas anymore but the club im involved with could have over 200 kids down in the Nursery on a Saturday Morning. But clubs like St Margrets are struggling for players they are trying to get kids up from the new housing estates in north Finglas ,Charlestown etc. Clubs like that in Dublin will find it hard to survive.

Fann Linn wrote: »

Where land is premium? I think we'll need more millions so.

I already explained that the cost for the Spawell site alone was dearer than the whole cost of the GAA centre of excellence up in Tyrone with €1m to spare.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-chairman-rules-out-idea-of-a-new-30000capacity-venue-in-the-capital-37855539.html

https://tyronegaa.ie/club-tyrone/garvaghey-centre/

Country people make the mistake of thinking of Dublin in country terms, until they move up to the big smoke.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Ok They are Polish , Latvian , Solvenian, Moldovan,Romanian ,African ,Asian etc , point is they will not be of Irish descent so will more than likely not take up GAA, so you will have huge populations in the Dublin area that will not play GAA , that is the point so you can stop whit the trying to make out im some sort of racist because i am anything but that.

I was expecting plenty of lads in Dublin clubs with Nigerian/Polish names or whatever at this stage (20 years after the Celtic Tiger) and maybe a few making under panels/senior.
But it does not seem to be happening yet?

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I was expecting plenty of lads in Dublin clubs with Nigerian/Polish names or whatever at this stage (20 years after the Celtic Tiger) and maybe a few making under panels/senior.
But it does not seem to be happening yet?

We have 2 girls out of 50 in my daughters group that have mix Irish eastern European parents and in my sons group 3 out of 70 odd so still very very low.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

When you think of it back in 2003 the GAA were justifiably worried about the gaelic games and Dublin in particular,

Dublin were not even in a Leinster Final 03 and 04
Munster were runners Hieniken Cup Finals in 1999 and 2001 - Rugby was growing
Leinster rugby would be soon the march - golden generation of players
BOD was the rugby poster boy.
Ireland had just played in the 2002 world cup in soccer - Robbie Keane from Tallaght was flying at his sport

Things looked bleak very bleak lose Dublin and the GAA were f**ked,

So Dublin missing out on 2 Leinster finals was a disaster? Well fair play to the GAA, they won't have to deal with that problem ever again.

I look forward to some action being taken to deal with Mayo's woes in the Connacht Championship!