beggars_bush wrote: » Dublin GAA should be trying to set up more clubs, buying land for pitches Where's the strategic thinking and planning?
tikkahunter wrote: » Finglas has 8 soccer teams that Erin's Isle has to compete with for players , it is basically the same in every part of Dublin then if you add in Rugby and other sports it is a mammoth task to attract then hold players . No other county has that competition for players.http://www.soccer-ireland.com/dublin-soccer/finglas.htm
Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: » Non Irish people will be a majority in Dublin within a generation? I'm a bit skeptical of that claim.
gaffer91 wrote: » The GAA in general will not survive as it is unless the Dublin problem is addressed. Certainly not at inter-county level anyway. Also, given that this is a GAA forum, it's a bit alarming how you manage to insert a bit of xenophobic dog-whistling into threads so frequently.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jPTnqpYCmQfVYX6i54jxeeoxSOY&ll=53.2988161187218%2C-6.251134762686661&z=11 Look up the population of Finglas - Erin's Isle the sole club Look up the population of Clonadalkdin - Round towers the sole club Also Dublin is very soccer-centric (granted the majority support English soccer and not the LOI) But there are huge areas of working class Dublin which are soccer areas first and foremost - Tallaght for example. Also you will notice from the map the wide open spaces in Rugby D4 country where Dublin does have a senior club. Clann na Gael is tiny.
gaffer91 wrote: » Can you provide links to all other counties for comparison please? As you're the one making the claim Dublin clubs cover larger areas. People play soccer and rugby all over the country. Among other sports. Not unique to Dublin. You've yet to prove how more members leads to logistical difficulties?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So is that a yes or a no throw 15m at leitrim would they be a division 1 team in 15 years time with multiple provincials?
Bonniedog wrote: » The population figures are stark, and will get worse. Dublin and adjoining parts of Leinster will become a vast ugly conurbation. It is symptom of mad regional imbalance that is going to be exacerbated by Project 2040. Given the amount of non Irish people - who will be a majority within a generation - and the pressure on remaining green spaces, Dublin GAA will not survive as it is. If that's any consolation to any of you!
gaffer91 wrote: » And you can disagree that grass is green. And you'd be wrong there too. The figures are there in black and white. (Awaiting your response claiming that sometimes, sun starched grass is yellow, and when it's covered by snow, grass can be claimed to be white and how you've a friend from Derry who told you the grass up there is actually blue- this is the standard of argument I've come to expect from you) Dublin clubs cover bigger areas than clubs in larger, more rural counties? Proof of this please? Proof for the claim that logistically larger clubs are harder to run too? I'd have thought more members paying fees would tend to make things easier. I'm sure you'll root out a single exception and claim that this is actually the rule though. Jesus Christ- there is competition from other sports in every county in Ireland. Dublin is not exceptional in this regard. This is obvious to everyone outside Dublin.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » You might want to check that again. It wasnt me who listed out the sponsorship deals. As for the sponsorship, i dont think other counties have quite such a repertoire of sponsors at all. They are basically sponsored for everything thet need. Mayo dont have that and neither do anyone else I know of. That begs the question, if everything is sponsored and they have relatively ittle fixed costs, how the hell are they the top spenders?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I disagree that Dublin are overfunded as the per registered player and per captia is a misnomer.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Because some Dublin clubs have to cover areas bigger than a lot of counties, also other clubs are so big they require the money as logistically it is much harder to run than a smaller club. .
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Not only that Dublin face a constant battle for players against rugby and soccer. .
largepants wrote: » Most of my attacks are towards the Gaa forfunding Dublin the way they did. Im slightly less annoyed with the refusal of most Dubs to acknowledge that the finances have little to do with their recent successes.
gaffer91 wrote: » Dublin are overfunded relative to every other county. Per capita, per register player, by whatever yardstick you want to use. This money is from the GAA, their sponsors and the Irish government. If you are now arguing that Dublin are a province, you must accept they should be split too anyway? Good man, I knew we'd get you round eventually.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I am not just talking about provincial honours (as you well know) I am talking about competing in division 1 properly/or in the championship. Meath and Kildare should be doing better than Mayo/Donegal on population/facilities/ geography alone. Those very things which are said to be part of Dublin's advantages. Yet when it come to Kildare and Meath- all the same logic used to attack Dublin is conveniently forgotten / not applied to Kildare/Meath relative to other counties.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Hang on look at the population Dublin 1,214,666 Connacht: 550,742 Munster 1,280,000 Ulster: 2,108,000 Leinster (excluding dublin): 1,416,054 There are posters who have already referred to Dublin as a defacto province. Surely this means the 'province' needs the funding.
Gachla wrote: » Oh yes, that's another level to what some have described as financial doping. Not only are there huge numbers of professional coaches, Dublin GAA's structures are overseen by highly paid officials. They have a Strategic Program Manager, Games Development Project Coordinator, Regional Development Manager, High Performance Manager. No other county board can afford to appoint these types of people. They oversee the system of developing players, design plans, assess them, improve on them and so on. Dublin pay millions on wages every year. It's paid off but it's hard to argue with those who say this is financial doping.
gaffer91 wrote: » Dublin are structurally advantaged by virtue of their population to have a larger, more profitable market for sponsorship. The money they get from this compounds their already unfair advantages. The money would be better used helping the game as a whole in all counties rather than just the single county which already has multiple other advantages.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Because the right people and structures have to be there is the first place. Give 15m to leitrim GAA tomorrow where would they be in a years time, five years time/10 years time /15 years time? They got promoted form div 4 this year would money 'buy' them a div 1 title? A Connacht title? I doubt it. There might be nicer clubhouses though.
MayoAreMagic wrote: » There is no logic in the world that changes the fact that definitively, dublin are de facto province who compete as a county, while playing at home and receiving more funding. None of your spiels can change this and nobody believes it is fair. What Im curious to see is how far you will go and how much propaganda you will push before admitting this.
salmocab wrote: » How are people suggesting sponsorship is unfair? Every county is free to get whatever sponsorship it can, is there an imaginary level where it becomes unfair? This is the weakest of all the arguments I’ve seen here and that’s saying something.
Gachla wrote: » We've yet to hear any viable theory as to how the millions of euro and huge number of professional coaches didn't bring about the huge upturn.
BarryD2 wrote: » Yep all the other counties fault, they're useless, let things slide, should try harder yadayada.... that's the mantra. You can keep on crowing it, but the chicken coming home to roost is that Dublin will have no meaningful competition if things progress as they are. Success breeds success, in an ideal scenario for any sporting competition there should be a annual change of winner. That keeps the players and the public interested. Otherwise it becomes a boring ritual that is best avoided. And if restoring interest means splitting the growing conurbation of County Dublin into smaller parts or amalgamating other counties, well maybe that's the way to go.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I did on numerous occasions if you read the posts. I specifically answered your question.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111012837 But it seems you seem more interested in playing some odd mind-game instead.
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