The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hang on look at the population

Dublin 1,214,666

Connacht: 550,742

Munster 1,280,000

Ulster: 2,108,000

Leinster (excluding dublin): 1,416,054

There are posters who have already referred to Dublin as a defacto province.
Surely this means the 'province' needs the funding.

Dublin are overfunded relative to every other county. Per capita, per register player, by whatever yardstick you want to use. This money is from the GAA, their sponsors and the Irish government.

If you are now arguing that Dublin are a province, you must accept they should be split too anyway? Good man, I knew we'd get you round eventually.

largepants

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am not just talking about provincial honours (as you well know) I am talking about competing in division 1 properly/or in the championship.

Meath and Kildare should be doing better than Mayo/Donegal on population/facilities/ geography alone.

Those very things which are said to be part of Dublin's advantages.
Yet when it come to Kildare and Meath-
all the same logic used to attack Dublin is conveniently forgotten / not applied to Kildare/Meath relative to other counties.

Most of my attacks are towards the Gaa forfunding Dublin the way they did. Im slightly less annoyed with the refusal of most Dubs to acknowledge that the finances have little to do with their recent successes.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Dublin are overfunded relative to every other county. Per capita, per register player, by whatever yardstick you want to use. This money is from the GAA, their sponsors and the Irish government.

If you are now arguing that Dublin are a province, you must accept they should be split too anyway? Good man, I knew we'd get you round eventually.

I disagree that Dublin are overfunded as the per registered player and per captia is a misnomer.
Because some Dublin clubs have to cover areas bigger than a lot of counties, also other clubs are so big they require the money as logistically it is much harder to run than a smaller club.

Not only that Dublin face a constant battle for players against rugby and soccer.
Maybe Cork is the only county comparable in that sense.

largepants wrote: »

Most of my attacks are towards the Gaa forfunding Dublin the way they did. Im slightly less annoyed with the refusal of most Dubs to acknowledge that the finances have little to do with their recent successes.

But the problem is in the argument my imply that finances is the sole reason for Dublin's success.

Bonniedog

The population figures are stark, and will get worse. Dublin and adjoining parts of Leinster will become a vast ugly conurbation.

It is symptom of mad regional imbalance that is going to be exacerbated by Project 2040.

Given the amount of non Irish people - who will be a majority within a generation - and the pressure on remaining green spaces, Dublin GAA will not survive as it is.

If that's any consolation to any of you!

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I disagree that Dublin are overfunded as the per registered player and per captia is a misnomer.

And you can disagree that grass is green. And you'd be wrong there too. The figures are there in black and white.

(Awaiting your response claiming that sometimes, sun starched grass is yellow, and when it's covered by snow, grass can be claimed to be white and how you've a friend from Derry who told you the grass up there is actually blue- this is the standard of argument I've come to expect from you)

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Because some Dublin clubs have to cover areas bigger than a lot of counties, also other clubs are so big they require the money as logistically it is much harder to run than a smaller club.

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Dublin clubs cover bigger areas than clubs in larger, more rural counties? Proof of this please?

Proof for the claim that logistically larger clubs are harder to run too? I'd have thought more members paying fees would tend to make things easier. I'm sure you'll root out a single exception and claim that this is actually the rule though.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not only that Dublin face a constant battle for players against rugby and soccer.
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Jesus Christ- there is competition from other sports in every county in Ireland. Dublin is not exceptional in this regard. This is obvious to everyone outside Dublin.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/mayo-the-big-spenders-this-graph-breaks-down-each-countys-costs-in-2016-35458592.html

https://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/99779/mayo-gaa-announces-new-championship-sponsor

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/25000-packages-see-mayo-poised-for-new-york-windfall-37811504.html

I can keep digging

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

You might want to check that again. It wasnt me who listed out the sponsorship deals.

As for the sponsorship, i dont think other counties have quite such a repertoire of sponsors at all. They are basically sponsored for everything thet need. Mayo dont have that and neither do anyone else I know of. That begs the question, if everything is sponsored and they have relatively ittle fixed costs, how the hell are they the top spenders?

gaffer91 wrote: »

And you can disagree that grass is green. And you'd be wrong there too. The figures are there in black and white.

(Awaiting your response claiming that sometimes, sun starched grass is yellow, and when it's covered by snow, grass can be claimed to be white and how you've a friend from Derry who told you the grass up there is actually blue- this is the standard of argument I've come to expect from you)

Dublin clubs cover bigger areas than clubs in larger, more rural counties? Proof of this please?

Proof for the claim that logistically larger clubs are harder to run too? I'd have thought more members paying fees would tend to make things easier. I'm sure you'll root out a single exception and claim that this is actually the rule though.

Jesus Christ- there is competition from other sports in every county in Ireland. Dublin is not exceptional in this regard. This is obvious to everyone outside Dublin.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jPTnqpYCmQfVYX6i54jxeeoxSOY&ll=53.2988161187218%2C-6.251134762686661&z=11

Look up the population of Finglas - Erin's Isle the sole club
Look up the population of Clonadalkdin - Round towers the sole club

Also Dublin is very soccer-centric (granted the majority support English soccer and not the LOI)
But there are huge areas of working class Dublin which are soccer areas first and foremost - Tallaght for example.

Also you will notice from the map the wide open spaces in Rugby D4 country where Dublin does have a senior club.
Clann na Gael is tiny.

Bonniedog wrote: »

The population figures are stark, and will get worse. Dublin and adjoining parts of Leinster will become a vast ugly conurbation.

It is symptom of mad regional imbalance that is going to be exacerbated by Project 2040.

Given the amount of non Irish people - who will be a majority within a generation - and the pressure on remaining green spaces, Dublin GAA will not survive as it is.

If that's any consolation to any of you!

The GAA in general will not survive as it is unless the Dublin problem is addressed. Certainly not at inter-county level anyway.

Also, given that this is a GAA forum, it's a bit alarming how you manage to insert a bit of xenophobic dog-whistling into threads so frequently.

Gachla

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So is that a yes or a no throw 15m at leitrim would they be a division 1 team in 15 years time with multiple provincials?

Start a thread on that if you want.

This one is about the Dublin GAA and the huge amount of titles they have garnished since they've got a huge funding boost.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jPTnqpYCmQfVYX6i54jxeeoxSOY&ll=53.2988161187218%2C-6.251134762686661&z=11

Look up the population of Finglas - Erin's Isle the sole club
Look up the population of Clonadalkdin - Round towers the sole club

Also Dublin is very soccer-centric (granted the majority support English soccer and not the LOI)
But there are huge areas of working class Dublin which are soccer areas first and foremost - Tallaght for example.

Also you will notice from the map the wide open spaces in Rugby D4 country where Dublin does have a senior club.
Clann na Gael is tiny.

Can you provide links to all other counties for comparison please? As you're the one making the claim Dublin clubs cover larger areas.

People play soccer and rugby all over the country. Among other sports. Not unique to Dublin.

You've yet to prove how more members leads to logistical difficulties?

gaffer91 wrote: »

The GAA in general will not survive as it is unless the Dublin problem is addressed. Certainly not at inter-county level anyway.

Also, given that this is a GAA forum, it's a bit alarming how you manage to insert a bit of xenophobic dog-whistling into threads so frequently.

That is not being xenophobic.
It is just a fact they may not have an affinity with the GAA or like Irish pub culture

The GAA are aware of this

https://ulster.gaa.ie/coaching-old/foreign-nationals/

It will be accentuated in Dublin because that is where people go for jobs.
So there is a lot of extra work for Dublin.

gaffer91 wrote: »

Can you provide links to all other counties for comparison please? As you're the one making the claim Dublin clubs cover larger areas.

People play soccer and rugby all over the country. Among other sports. Not unique to Dublin.

You've yet to prove how more members leads to logistical difficulties?

The population of Clondalkin is about 50k and there is one GAA club there Round Towers for example.

And the whole of Dublin 4 is virtually lost to rugby,

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jPTnqpYCmQfVYX6i54jxeeoxSOY&ll=53.2988161187218%2C-6.251134762686661&z=11

Look up the population of Finglas - Erin's Isle the sole club
Look up the population of Clonadalkdin - Round towers the sole club

Also Dublin is very soccer-centric (granted the majority support English soccer and not the LOI)
But there are huge areas of working class Dublin which are soccer areas first and foremost - Tallaght for example.

Also you will notice from the map the wide open spaces in Rugby D4 country where Dublin does have a senior club.
Clann na Gael is tiny.

Finglas has 8 soccer teams that Erin's Isle has to compete with for players , it is basically the same in every part of Dublin then if you add in Rugby and other sports it is a mammoth task to attract then hold players . No other county has that competition for players.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/dublin-soccer/finglas.htm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Non Irish people will be a majority in Dublin within a generation? I'm a bit skeptical of that claim.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Non Irish people will be a majority in Dublin within a generation? I'm a bit skeptical of that claim.

Take a spin around Blanchardstown or Balbriggan and you might get a shock lad, they wont be the majority but a census around that time will be interesting

beggars_bush

Dublin GAA should be trying to set up more clubs, buying land for pitches

Where's the strategic thinking and planning?

Bonniedog

gaffer91 wrote: »

The GAA in general will not survive as it is unless the Dublin problem is addressed. Certainly not at inter-county level anyway.

Also, given that this is a GAA forum, it's a bit alarming how you manage to insert a bit of xenophobic dog-whistling into threads so frequently.

It is not xenophobic at all. You should read Project 2040. 400,000 new immigrants vast majority of whom will live in Dublin and satellite towns.

It is relevant to GAA because it is unique part of Irish culture that has little appeal to most immigrants. Point being that it is not, and will not benefit Dublin GAA. Which should make you happy.

Dog whistle is meaningless phrase used to avoid debating these issues, by the way.

beggars_bush

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Non Irish people will be a majority in Dublin within a generation? I'm a bit skeptical of that claim.

And so what if they are?
The GAA has to get those communities involved in the games or set up new clubs that use the language and cultures of those new arrivals to Ireland

tikkahunter wrote: »

Finglas has 8 soccer teams that Erin's Isle has to compete with for players , it is basically the same in every part of Dublin then if you add in Rugby and other sports it is a mammoth task to attract then hold players . No other county has that competition for players.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/dublin-soccer/finglas.htm

In fairness to the country lads it is understanble that they cannot fathom it.
In every village or town down the country lads play for their local club as if it is a rite of passage.
In Dublin there are many who are vehemently anti GAA - my parents have a neighbour who won't bring his young lad to GAA games - he refers to it as bogball.
You don't really get that down the country.
I remember I attended one of the first soccer games in Croke Park v France/Italy.
There were some Dublin soccer fans who were a bit lost there it was kind of funny/sad.
They were obviously never there in thier lives (not young lads)

Fann Linn

beggars_bush wrote: »

Dublin GAA should be trying to set up more clubs, buying land for pitches

Where's the strategic thinking and planning?

Where land is premium? I think we'll need more millions so.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness to the country lads it is understanble that they cannot fathom it.
In every village or town down the country lads play for their local club as if it is a rite of passage.
In Dublin there are many who are vehemently anti GAA - my parents have a neighbour who won't bring his young lad to GAA games - he refers to it as bogball.
You don't really get that down the country.
I remember I attended one of the first soccer games in Croke Park v France/Italy.
There were some Dublin soccer fans who were a bit lost there it was kind of funny/sad.
They were obviously never there in thier lives (not young lads)

I hear ya, i grew up in Finglas so i only know too well the anti GAA that goes on even from my own MA and Da and her parents where from Kildare with her cousins on the panel

Its seems to be my age group now that are embracing it more and making sure their kids are involved with a GAA club , i dont live in Finglas anymore but the club im involved with could have over 200 kids down in the Nursery on a Saturday Morning. But clubs like St Margrets are struggling for players they are trying to get kids up from the new housing estates in north Finglas ,Charlestown etc. Clubs like that in Dublin will find it hard to survive.

When you think of it back in 2003 the GAA were justifiably worried about the gaelic games and Dublin in particular,

Dublin were not even in a Leinster Final 03 and 04
Munster were runners Hieniken Cup Finals in 1999 and 2001 - Rugby was growing
Leinster rugby would be soon the march - golden generation of players
BOD was the rugby poster boy.
Ireland had just played in the 2002 world cup in soccer - Robbie Keane from Tallaght was flying at his sport

Things looked bleak very bleak lose Dublin and the GAA were f**ked,

Fann Linn wrote: »

Where land is premium? I think we'll need more millions so.

I already explained that the cost for the Spawell site alone was dearer than the whole cost of the GAA centre of excellence up in Tyrone with €1m to spare.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-gaa-chairman-rules-out-idea-of-a-new-30000capacity-venue-in-the-capital-37855539.html

https://tyronegaa.ie/club-tyrone/garvaghey-centre/

Country people make the mistake of thinking of Dublin in country terms, until they move up to the big smoke.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Who are they by the way? Surely second generation immigrants will be Irish or maybe not in your view? Just who are the non Irish who will be in a majority? Bonniedog?

Ok They are Polish , Latvian , Solvenian, Moldovan,Romanian ,African ,Asian etc , point is they will not be of Irish descent so will more than likely not take up GAA, so you will have huge populations in the Dublin area that will not play GAA , that is the point so you can stop whit the trying to make out im some sort of racist because i am anything but that.

tikkahunter wrote: »

Ok They are Polish , Latvian , Solvenian, Moldovan,Romanian ,African ,Asian etc , point is they will not be of Irish descent so will more than likely not take up GAA, so you will have huge populations in the Dublin area that will not play GAA , that is the point so you can stop whit the trying to make out im some sort of racist because i am anything but that.

I was expecting plenty of lads in Dublin clubs with Nigerian/Polish names or whatever at this stage (20 years after the Celtic Tiger) and maybe a few making under panels/senior.
But it does not seem to be happening yet?

Martina1991

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness to the country lads it is understanble that they cannot fathom it.
In every village or town down the country lads play for their local club as if it is a rite of passage.
In Dublin there are many who are vehemently anti GAA - my parents have a neighbour who won't bring his young lad to GAA games - he refers to it as bogball.
You don't really get that down the country.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The population of Clondalkin is about 50k and there is one GAA club there Round Towers for example.

And the whole of Dublin 4 is virtually lost to rugby,

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Look up the population of Finglas - Erin's Isle the sole club
Look up the population of Clonadalkdin - Round towers the sole club

Also Dublin is very soccer-centric (granted the majority support English soccer and not the LOI)
But there are huge areas of working class Dublin which are soccer areas first and foremost - Tallaght for example.

This seems counter productive to your argument. If there are many areas of Dublin that are anti-GAA then they are not providing a need for more clubs or more facilities, regardless of the catchment area.

So what if the populations of certain towns are large. How many of those people are members of their clubs?