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Violent Protests In Hong Kong.

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    #242
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    MarquisDeSad wrote: »
    What we learned today:
    *You don't live in ireland
    *You don't know what people in HongKong call themselves
    *Your not great at the whole creative writing
    *Your using HongKong to have a go at Irish people over their views on the oppressive Israeli state.
    I do live in Ireland.

    I have been in hongkong.

    They call themselves hongkongese/Hongkongers. If you were here earlier in the thread you would have realized i called them that then too.

    My friends call themselves hongkongese.

    Now since you clearly have zero idea of what you are talking about and you said you were going to leave that might be a good idea.

    It seems you have learned nothing today. But not to worry that is probably like every other day.


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    #243
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Limpy wrote: »
    When the tanks roll in they stones won't do them any good.
    You don't understand. Its this do or die mentality.


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    #244
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    MarquisDeSad wrote: »
    Here.

    You probably don’t live ‘here’ either.


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    #245
    MarquisDeSad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭MarquisDeSad


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    You probably don’t live ‘here’ either.

    Got proof?


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    #246
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    MarquisDeSad wrote: »
    Got proof?

    I don’t see you ‘here’, so that is proof enough for me.


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    #247
    MarquisDeSad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 188 ✭✭MarquisDeSad


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I do live in Ireland.

    I have been in hongkong.

    They call themselves hongkongese/Hongkongers. If you were here earlier in the thread you would have realized i called them that then too.

    My friends call themselves hongkongese.

    Now since you clearly have zero idea of what you are talking about and you said you were going to leave that might be a good idea.

    It seems you have learned nothing today. But not to worry that is probably like every other day.

    Morto for you. You need to go back to high-school.


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    #248
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    OMG the ignorance.

    I think the man is austrailian ..i am actually disgusted.

    I wonder if the protesters said to him sure your British he would have said no he's a true Australian or Zealander .
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    #249
    Harry Palmr
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    OMG the ignorance.

    I think the man is austrailian ..i am actually disgusted.

    I dunno what has happened to Australia, sure all the intellectuals felt they had to leave a cultural desert in the old days but it feels like that brain drain in the post war era has dropped the IQ of the entire nation. They seem to be ignorant feckers and happy to broadcast the fact - see climate change and their treatment of migrants/illegals (delete as your ideology demands!).


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    #250
    Limpy
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    You don't understand. Its this do or die mentality.

    It will be like the catalans and the referendum. The greater power will win unless they get externaly backed military wise. In this case nobody will support Hong Kong as China is to powerful.


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    #251
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Oddly enough something that didn't get much of a mention was trump clearing a deal to export the latest F16 fighter jets to Taiwan ,
    Despite attempts by the Chinese government to stop them
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    #252
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    That Aussie bloke's attitude is not that uncommon among the free-wheeling business types. China has become a huge feeding ground for Western consumer goods - and they don't really give two hoots about who's running the show, impinged freedoms etc. Hong Kong is little more than a useful world-class financial hub appendage that keeps the wheels turning for them. The obnoxius "go get a job" comment as well - as if regular working class Hong Kongers don't bust their a*s to make ends meet.

    Australia also has a growing problem with the PRC Chinese government trying to influence their political system. Once again, commercial types in Oz are perversely pro-Communist Party, as long as the money keeps flowing.


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    #253
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Yurt! wrote: »
    That Aussie bloke's attitude is not that uncommon among the free-wheeling business types. China has become a huge feeding ground for Western consumer goods - and they don't really give two hoots about who's running the show, impinged freedoms etc. Hong Kong is little more than a useful world-class financial hub appendage that keeps the wheels turning for them. The obnoxius "go get a job" comment as well - as if regular working class Hong Kongers don't bust their a*s to make ends meet.

    Australia also has a growing problem with the PRC Chinese government trying to influence their political system. Once again, commercial types in Oz are perversely pro-Communist Party, as long as the money keeps flowing.

    From personal experience, China really has its claws in Sydney anyway and they are happy to take the money. When you leave the international airport on the main route into the city all the billboards are in Chinese advertising property and investment banks. Most of the new apartments are being bought off the plans by Chinese investors. If thats what Australia wants then fair enough.


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    #254
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    From personal experience, China really has its claws in Sydney anyway and they are happy to take the money. When you leave the international airport on the main route into the city all the billboards are in Chinese advertising property and investment banks. Most of the new apartments are being bought off the plans by Chinese investors. If thats what Australia wants then fair enough.


    Property developers are happy out. Ask a young couple trying to secure a home and you might get a different answer. There's also a wider debate going on in Oz about the nature of the relationship with China, and as to whether it's really all that wise to be so economically reliant on an autocratic and temperamental trading partner.


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    #255
    Gatling
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    Reports saying 1.7 million + marched Today in Hong Kong,

    The Chinese must be thinking is it worth even attempting to do something about this,
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    #256
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Gatling wrote: »
    Reports saying 1.7 million + marched Today in Hong Kong,

    The Chinese must be thinking is it worth even attempting to do something about this,
    Their strategy was at least until now to simply wait it out. I think they are realizing that won't work now.


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    #257
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Gatling wrote: »
    I wonder if the protesters said to him sure your British he would have said no he's a true Australian or Zealander .


    He probably has zero sense of nationality.

    His cultural identity is $$$$. He wouldn't object to living under a dictatorship where his kids could be taken. Make him miss his flight though!


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    #258
    Muahahaha
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Reports saying 1.7 million + marched Today in Hong Kong,

    The Chinese must be thinking is it worth even attempting to do something about this,

    According to the Irish Times website the protest number was 100,000 :rolleyes:

    Have read that the end game here has to happen before Oct 1st which is the 70th anniversary of the Communist Party taking power and they will not want civil unrest in HK ruining their celebration.

    Also read that the protestors are organising online through democratic vote but there are two groups within with diveraging views on how to achienve their aims- non violent and violent. The pro violent group are pointing at the death camps in China and arguing along the lines of blood sacrifice if necessary, they say Beijing is never going to listen to peaceful protest and they have been correct in that assessment so far. Whereas the other side feel it is important to maintain widespread public support through non violence, no matter what. They voted and it was agreed that this weekends protests should be non-violent, which they were barring some small skirmishes.

    Theres also a feeling that Beijing are somewhat paralysed and indecisive on what to do next. Todays protest of 1.7m was held despite the HK police ruling it illegal and ordering citizens not to partake under the threat of up to 5 years in prison. The fact 1.7m people stood up to that shows that Hong Kongers are in complete civil disobedience mode and the police do not have any semblance of authority or control. Of course Beijing can go ahead with a crackdown at any time of their choosing but that in itself would only work in the short term but would have serious long term consequences for their grip on power in Hong Kong.


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    #259
    ILoveYourVibes
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    According to the Irish Times website the protest number was 100,000 :rolleyes:

    Have read that the end game here has to happen before Oct 1st which is the 70th anniversary of the Communist Party taking power and they will not want civil unrest in HK ruining their celebration.

    Also read that the protestors are organising online through democratic vote but there are two groups within with diveraging views on how to achienve their aims- non violent and violent. The pro violent group are pointing at the death camps in China and arguing along the lines of blood sacrifice if necessary, they say Beijing is never going to listen to peaceful protest and they have been correct in that assessment so far. Whereas the other side feel it is important to maintain widespread public support through non violence, no matter what. They voted and it was agreed that this weekends protests should be non-violent, which they were barring some small skirmishes.

    Theres also a feeling that Beijing are somewhat paralysed and indecisive on what to do next. Todays protest of 1.7m was held despite the HK police ruling it illegal and ordering citizens not to partake under the threat of up to 5 years in prison. The fact 1.7m people stood up to that shows that Hong Kongers are in complete civil disobedience mode and the police do not have any semblance of authority or control. Of course Beijing can go ahead with a crackdown at any time of their choosing but that in itself would only work in the short term but would have serious long term consequences for their grip on power in Hong Kong.
    There comes a point when you actually can't count so many people.

    By all accounts it was at least hundreds of thousands. The Irish media seems very out of the loop on this. Not great reporting.


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    #260
    dublin99
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    There comes a point when you actually can't count so many people.

    By all accounts it was at least hundreds of thousands. The Irish media seems very out of the loop on this. Not great reporting.

    Technically it was not a protest march. The Police refused to give permission for the originally proposed March from Victoria Park to Central (appeal was aso rejected), and only agreed to allow a rally/meeting to be held in the Park. So people queued from the surrounding areas to enter and fill up the Park and "moved on" by walking towards Central. So strictly speaking, no one was actually breaking the law by participating in an illegal march, as they were merely walking to and from the venue where a legal rally was being held!

    The "Official" figure of 100,000 referred to the maximum number inside the Park at capacity. Overall, during the course of the the day, 1.7 million went through the Park, "attended" the rally then spilt out onto the roads towards Central as they were "advised" to use the MTR metro stations near Central to head home as trains were not stopping at the stations near the Park.


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    #261
    ilkhanid
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    realitykeeper wrote: »
    If they don`t want to be extradited, they shouldn`t break the law.


    Would this be a law that I or anybody else here (probably not you) would recognise as a law? Anyway the Chinese government doesn't recognise in the concept of the Rule of Law. The Law is what serves the party:it can change overnight.
    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Mass peaceful protest in Hong Kong against a controversial extradition bill. Now is something else, and what left is aggressive protestors trying to destroy the Hong Kong government. The disrupting the country and bringing it to a stand still. Hong Kong has nearly 8 milllion people, have they a say?

    A "controversial" bill, is it? A bill that would eventually see people dragged off to the mainland for daring to open their mouths , for, say, publishing a cartoon that Beijing doesn't like?*
    Destroy the Hong Kong government....is trying to make it more representative, trying to change a state of affairs where only hand-picked flunkies of Beijing are allowed to run for office tantamount to destroying it?


    * See https://globaljournalist.org/2017/05/project-exile-chinese-traitor-cartoonist-exiled-japan/
    archer22 wrote: »
    Carrie Lam has already shown a willingness to compromise and be flexible. But they seem to have no interest in compromise or dialogue.

    What compromise? No resignation. No inquiry into police brutality. No permanent end to the extradition bill. No broadening of Democratic rights. Some flexibility!
    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    They stated that they suspect " a foreign invisible hand at play " during this morning's press conference given by the Chinese government.

    I'd be obliged if you could find me some examples of Authoritarian states that don't announce that hidden foreign hands are behind the protests when the citizenry have had enough and come onto the streets. Tian'men, Hungary '56, Prague '68 , Zimbabwe, Myanamar...Istanbul 2016, Khartoum, Cairo, Damascus .....yes MI5/the CIA (and other foreign troublemakers) were behind them all.


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    #262
    dublin99
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Please take a few minutes and look at this video showing how HK police tortured a 62 year old man in custody in hospital. He was apparently drunk and was arrested at a protest in June.

    https://streamable.com/s0b9l

    The family's complaint through the official channel was ignored. No one in the hospital reported his injuries. It took two months to get the hospital to release the video and a press conference by a legislator to have the police suspend two junior police for common assault.

    Such cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment and torture are prohibited by all international human rights instruments.

    In addition to breaking the law/guidelines under ICCPR, HK Basic Law, ECHR etc, what happened is also an offence under the HK Crimes (Torture) Ordinance) which apples to the HK POlice Force.

    This is only the tip of the iceberg when CCTV was available in a private room. Many more protesters were beaten brutally and tortured behind closed doors in police station, suffering fractures and serious head injury. At least one is still in a coma.

    The behaviour of these HK Police (plus "extras" like military police brought in from China to disguise as HK Police) are despicable and worse than anything people saw in NI during the Troubles.

    The Government and the Chinese continues to support and praise the HK Police for their good work.... that's why so many people wanted an independent enquiry. They need a complete reform of the system!

    Relatively little accurate information is available in English. Please share this video on social media to let the world know why Hongkongers are so angry.


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    #263
    James Brown
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    What's going to be a real horror show is if the Chinese military go in heavy handed and the world complains from the sidelines as it continues to trade with China or more likely, a compromise is reached and over a period of months and years people begin to disappear and any compromise reversed.


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    #264
    potatocake
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭potatocake


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    You know you are living under a dictatorship when you don't want to give your name to the press and you live in another country half way around the world from that dictatorship.

    Did you think before posting this?

    "You know you're living in a dictatorship when you live in a country halfway round the world from that dictatorship"

    And they are Hong Kongese, FYI.


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    #265
    El_Bee
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    there was a load of Chinese on O'Connell st today waving flags, a great bunch of lads.


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    #266
    potatocake
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭potatocake


    ilkhanid wrote: »
    Would this be a law that I or anybody else here (probably not you) would recognise as a law? Anyway the Chinese government don't recognise in the concept of the Rule of Law. The Law is what serves the party:it can change overnight.



    A "controversial" bill, is it? A bill that would eventually see people dragged off to the mainland for daring to open their mouths , for, say, publishing a cartoon that Beijing doesn't like?*
    Destroy the Hong Kong government....is trying to make it more representative, trying to change a state of affairs where only hand-picked flunkies of Beijing are allowed to run for office tantamount to destroying it?


    * See



    What compromise? No resignation. No inquiry into police brutality. No permanent end to the extradition bill. No broadening of Democratic rights. Some flexibility!



    I'd be obliged if you could find me some examples of Authoritarian states that don't announce that hidden foreign hands are behind the protests when the citizenry have had enough and come onto the streets. Tian'men, Hungary '56, Prague '68 , Zimbabwe, Myanamar...Istanbul 2016, Khartoum, Cairo, Damascus .....yes MI5/the CIA (and other foreign troublemakers) were behind them all.

    The bill was introduced by Hong Kong authorities. It had nothing to do with China. IT was in response to a man who murdered his pregnant girlfriend and dumped her body in the bushes while on vacation in Taiwan. The bill was eventually taken off the table.

    Why are you trying to make this out to be some kind of Chinese crackdown? Are you even aware of how stupid that sounds. The protests and riots continued AFTER the bill was scrapped. Ask yourself why.

    Hong Kong was and is part of China. It always has been. It was seized violently by the British after the Opium Wars and in that 150 year period the people of Hong Kong had no votes and not even local government. They were ruled directly from Westminster by crusty old Oxbridge buffoons who couldn't even speak the language. So much for the much vaunted "democracy" that everyone is blabbing about. Hong Kong is not independent. It's as much a part of China as the Isle of Wight is part of England.

    Ask yourself who's behind these protests. Have you heard of Jimmy Lai? A gutterpress tabloid media mogul with links to the Washington neocons. He'svjust one of many players manipulating events on the ground. But if you want to believe the simple-minded narrative then that's up to you.


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    #267
    potatocake
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭potatocake


    dublin99 wrote: »
    Please take a few minutes and look at this video showing how HK police tortured a 62 year old man in custody in hospital. He was apparently drunk and was arrested at a protest in June.



    The family's complaint through the official channel was ignored. No one in the hospital reported his injuries. It took two months to get the hospital to release the video and a press conference by a legislator to have the police suspend two junior police for common assault.

    Such cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment and torture are prohibited by all international human rights instruments.

    In addition to breaking the law/guidelines under ICCPR, HK Basic Law, ECHR etc, what happened is also an offence under the HK Crimes (Torture) Ordinance) which apples to the HK POlice Force.

    This is only the tip of the iceberg when CCTV was available in a private room. Many more protesters were beaten brutally and tortured behind closed doors in police station, suffering fractures and serious head injury. At least one is still in a coma.

    The behaviour of these HK Police (plus "extras" like military police brought in from China to disguise as HK Police) are despicable and worse than anything people saw in NI during the Troubles.

    The Government and the Chinese continues to support and praise the HK Police for their good work.... that's why so many people wanted an independent enquiry. They need a complete reform of the system!

    Relatively little accurate information is available in English. Please share this video on social media to let the world know why Hongkongers are so angry.

    You should see what's happening at the US border with Mexico to toddlers. You'd have apoplexy.


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    #268
    Gatling
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    potatocake wrote: »
    The bill was introduced by Hong Kong authorities. It had nothing to do with China. IT was in response to a man who murdered his pregnant girlfriend and dumped her body in the bushes while on vacation in Taiwan. The bill was eventually taken off the table.

    2nd post - I'd bow out now .
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    #269
    joseywhales
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    It's hard to turn an oil tanker around but it doesn't mean it can't be done


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    #270
    Yurt2
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    El_Bee wrote: »
    there was a load of Chinese on O'Connell st today waving flags, a great bunch of lads.

    Using their rights of freedom of assembly in Ireland, from a country that doesn't respect freedom of assembly, to protest and peddle propaganda about a movement that is fighting for their rights of assembly (among other things). Outside a building famous for being the place where Ireland rose against the greatest empire in the world.

    If you tried to explain the ironing of that, their heads would explode. I'd also lay a bet that the Chinese embassy was involved in organizing this.


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    #271
    Yurt2
    Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    potatocake wrote: »
    The bill was introduced by Hong Kong authorities. It had nothing to do with China. IT was in response to a man who murdered his pregnant girlfriend and dumped her body in the bushes while on vacation in Taiwan. The bill was eventually taken off the table.

    Why are you trying to make this out to be some kind of Chinese crackdown? Are you even aware of how stupid that sounds. The protests and riots continued AFTER the bill was scrapped. Ask yourself why.

    Hong Kong was and is part of China. It always has been. It was seized violently by the British after the Opium Wars and in that 150 year period the people of Hong Kong had no votes and not even local government. They were ruled directly from Westminster by crusty old Oxbridge buffoons who couldn't even speak the language. So much for the much vaunted "democracy" that everyone is blabbing about. Hong Kong is not independent. It's as much a part of China as the Isle of Wight is part of England.

    I've met several British civil servants and policemen who served in Hong Kong and spoke excellent Cantonese.


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