The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

ArielAtom wrote: »

And what research do you base that on. You said 100%. So you are factually wrong. Oh dear, more lies.

Basic reading lessons are required on this thread as some of you obviously can't. I said they would 100% get a following (it means its a certainty), not that 100% would follow the team. Some oddballs won't, for a while.

threeball wrote: »

Basic reading lessons are required on this thread as some of you obviously can't. I said they would 100% get a following (it means its a certainty), not that 100% would follow the team. Some oddballs won't, for a while.

Deflect, oh dear. You really are moving the goal posts, to use a well known phrase.

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Anyone else not able to click on page 124?

That might be because were only at 99;) or 100 with my post!!!!!

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Oh you poor Dubs living in an urban area.

Belfast, galway, Limerick, cork, waterford, kilkenny, Drogheda, Navan, dundalk, mullingar, Castlebar, Newry, derry, Lisburn, letter kenny, Ennis, wexford Town, carlow, Naas, Armagh City, Omagh and many more urban areas with the exact same issues as Dublin say hello.

We know you're burrying your heads and shifting goalposts because you fear an admittance will devalue the coming 5 in a row. Starting to look like Henry Shefflin defending Richie hogan on the Sunday game last night.

Ah but sure it's 31 vs 1. You don't care what the rest of us muck savages think. We're all the same!

Muck savages ? would prefer country cousins

tikkahunter wrote: »

The majority of that is bollocks but whatever sponsors they do have where got fairly and there is absolutely nothing stopping any other county from doing the same but as I have said many times their county board could not be bothered and that is something all the moaners in this thread completely ignore. You're own lack of sponsorship is your county boards living in the Stone Age.

How is it bollocks? They have those sponsors - they advertise it themselves.

Here is an interesting question. How do non dubs rate the achievements of this dublin team, i.e. post financial doping?

My own feeling would be I dont really count any of them after 2013, with the 5 in a row not registering at all. I also think the mayo team that came about at the same time were let down by the gaa. Not because I am from mayo, but moreso because without this intervention, those lads probably come away with a number of all ireland medals. When you consider they are now being called the best team never to win an all Ireland, it is quite harsh on them. If you put yourself in their shoes, it must be hard not to be some ways bitter about that. Similarly so for tyrone last year, and kerry this year too, although they probably still have chances.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

How is it bollocks? They have those sponsors - they advertise it themselves.

Here is an interesting question. How do non dubs rate the achievements of this dublin team, i.e. post financial doping?

My own feeling would be I dont really count any of them after 2013, with the 5 in a row not registering at all. I also think the mayo team that came about at the same time were let down by the gaa. Not because I am from mayo, but moreso because without this intervention, those lads probably come away with a number of all ireland medals. When you consider they are now being called the best team never to win an all Ireland, it is quite harsh on them. If you put yourself in their shoes, it must be hard not to be some ways bitter about that. Similarly so for tyrone last year, and kerry this year too, although they probably still have chances.

Your whole boards account posts are based on criticizng the dubs!! That's basically all you do even tho as you said you don't care since 2013!

Your saying the mayo lads must be bitter? Look at your own posts...

I have listed Kerry Football's major titles (AI's/provincial's/leagues) between two periods

1981-2000 and 2001-2019






As you can see Kerry people have a lot to be happy about








Both Kerry tables are placed side by side in two-time frames for easy analysis.
Also, in the interests of fairness I have concentrated on football as this can more easily be compared to Dublin as both teams are/were on similar levels during their history.











AI men’s (5)
1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1997

Obviously the great Kerry team of the 80’s got most of these all-ireland’s and a resurgent Kerry generation which were the driving force for the next decade were sparked by 1997 much like the way Dublin were sparked by the 2011 win.




AI u21 Men (4)

All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championships: (4)
1990, 1995, 1996, 1998,

That 95- 98 era were the backbone of the decade that was to come – they were of course largely responsible for the senior win in 97 and subsequent years in the 00’s.
Much like Dublin’s exceptional crop of players from 10,12,14,17 contributed to Dublin’s rise
With special mention made for Dublin’s 2014 group which equates to Kerry’s the best of the u21 lads that drove Kerry on. Sometimes great crops just emerge.


AI Minor men (1)

1988
(this lack in talent was a contributory factor to almost a decade in the wilderness at senior level)

Like Dublin who only won one minor in 1984 and had a long fallow period until the great Jim Gavin broke the duck in 2012 with a great group of lads – ‘Meathman’ E lowndes was on this team by the way. It was team that contained Costello, Scully, McHugh, Carthy, Byrne and another ‘Meathman’ Michael Deegan – son of the legendary Dub Mick.
There was to no Terry Ferguson turncoats who turned their back on Dublin in this era! Although we did get Paul Curran of Meath stock to play in the 90’s, so it worked out well.




Munster men’s (10)

1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1991, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000



Munster u21 Mens’ (11)

1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999




Munster minor Mens’ (8)

1982, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998



League Men’s Div 1

1982, 1984, 1997


This is three leagues back when the league was not treated seriously in anyway shape or form


League Men’s Div 2

0



Junior AI (3)

1983, 1991, 1994,


This was a surprise to me how poor Kerry’s record was at this level – maybe not much focus was given to it?




AI Vocational Schools (6)

1986, 1987, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997


This seems to have dried up since the 90’s maybe the Kerry lads just started going to fancier schools?



Munster Junior Men (7)
1983, 1985, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2000







AI ladies (10)

All-Ireland Senior Ladies' Football Championships: 10

1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993

All-Ireland Under-18 Ladies' (1)

1995

All-Ireland Under-16 Ladies' (1)

1999

All-Ireland Under-14 Ladies' (4)

1991, 1992, 1993, 1999


League Ladies (9)

1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991


It shows an incredible level of dominance of Kerry had in the lades game – an exceptional Cork team and a strong Waterford team obviously has been a stumbling block to Kerry’s success in subsequent years.

In contrast Dublin Ladies football appears severely neglected in their supposed years of dominance since 2003 it has only yielded three titles. That is three titled in their entire history
That is nowhere near the level of dominance of the Cork team of this era.
Yet Kerry still top the Tree of Ladies AI wins historically with 11









AI men’s (6)

2000, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2014

This shows that Kerry have been just as dominant winning AI’s in this period as they were in the last despite the rise of Tryone and Armagh during this period.
It could lead a person to question whether this dominance is good for the game of football?
Particularly in light of minority negative criticism of the Dublin team from behind keyboards, or those who have wandered up from boreens.

It could be argued that a strong Dublin was badly needed to provide some competition to Kerry who with a supposedly weak side – still got to back to finals and won one and are in this years AI as well.
This is following on from Kerry’s domination the previous decade 2001-09 with FOUR AI’s in an era of the great Tryone side, the great Armagh side - Kerry still won a two in a row in that period!
Kerry have been in FOUR AI final’s this current decade 2010 – 19 so far winning one
It seems that competition for Kerry was badly needed otherwise they would have dominated this decade again!


Munster Mens’ (14)

2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

Kerry have clearly had the same level of dominance as Dublin do in Leinster – but this is little remarked upon for some reason

Dublin’s leinster titles are only one more than Kerry’s Munster titles in that 2000-2019 period standing at 15
(Dublin’s leinster’s) (15)
2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 )

This is despite of fantastic Cork team for a period and the rise of Tipp in Munster for a few years



League Men’s Div 1 (4)

2004, 2006, 2009, 2017



League Men’s Div 2 (1)

2002



All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championships: 1
2008




Munster u21 men’s (4)

2002, 2008, 2017, 2018 (A large gap and clear drop off from the previous year’s nothing to do with Dublin)
It is noticeable that 17 and 18 were back to back a sign that those from the minor grade are progressing


Munster Minor Men's (14)


2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015,[ 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019



Minor Men’s (5)


2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018

Nothing needs to be said about these Minors that has not already being said inceidble achievement incredible bunch





Munster Junior football championships (12)

2002, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019


Junior AI Kerry (7)

2006, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

League Mens’ div 1


AI ladies Kerry (O)


Large drop off here the power of the Cork/Waterford teams major factors



All-Ireland Under-18 Ladies'

None

All-Ireland Under-16 Ladies'

None

All-Ireland Under-14 Ladies' Football (1)

2008











AI Club Mens’ (3)

84 Castleisland, 92 Crokes, 95 Laune R.

Then a strong era of Nemo and Crossmaglen meant that Kerry’s next appearance was in 2004 in an AI final where Gaeltacht with the O’Se’s were beaten by Galway’s Caltra




Munster Club Football champions club (7)

Castleisland 84,85, Crokes 90,91, Laune 95,96, UCC *Large amount of Kerry players* 99





Munster Ladies club (2)

86, 83










AI club (1)

Crokes 2016



Munster Club Football champions (7)

Crokes 11,12,13, 16,18, 19 Stacks 14

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SUMMARY



So what are my overall summary on Kerrys domination of football in both time frames?
Well, there only seems to be three major difference between Kerry football 1981-2000 and Kerry football 2001 – 2019

1) Kerry now have an even stronger hold on the Munster championship than they ever have had - It has rocketed up since the 81-00 period

2) Kerry’s ladies football has fallen off a cliff they are not able for the strength of Waterford and Cork

3) Although Kerry are no longer dominating u21 level outside Munster they are more than making up for it at minor level.

There are a number of striking similarities between the two timeframes –

1) In both timeframes 81-00, and 01-19 Kerry still have near the amount of AI’s 5 v 6 - could easily be 5 v 7 in a few weeks

2) There are actually more League titles won by Kerry in their most recent period. This is very impressive considering the league is taken more seriously these days.


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Future Dublin synopsis

You will see when I give my detailed analysis on Dublin’s football timeframes 81-00 and 01-19 that Dublin’s Dominance is not unusual when compared to levels of dominance from Kerry.
Unfortunately, I do not have time to go into more detail on that in this particular moment in time.




But I have done the table for Dublin and I will give my thoughts on in in another post.

But my initial thoughts are Dublin’s re-entry into the u21 level has proved crucial in the improvement in standards of men’s football, both nationwide and in the county of Dublin.

For those who do not know Dublin did not even enter u21 teams for large periods of the 70’s and 80’s



https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-s-under-21s-now-thriving-after-half-hearted-beginnings-1.2594374



I believe this had a detrimental effect on Dublin underage football, and if you analysis it properly you will see that Dublin’s core success at senior level resulted from u21 success.
This 12-16 period also coincided with a run of Dublin success in the leinster club championship from 12-16

Also the drive behind ladies football in Dublin seems to centre around two clubs Boden and Foxrock - which shows to me that it is a very select group that is leading the charge in this area.

I will hopefully get more time to do a more detailed analysis of Dublin in the coming days.

I see Supervalu finally decided to change their advert and include a few non Dublin heads in it. But why Andy?
Was getting sick of looking at Brogans mug