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The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

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gormdubhgorm

Deleted User wrote: »

ha yr some buck! have to give bonus points for that

I honestly did see 'great' and said

"Yeah we are....
Then it was only when it was pointed out to me 'greater dublin'
I was a bit confused at first.... I am mean how could we be greater than we already are?
Impossible.
Then it dawned on me isn't there a 'Greater London' the outside bits of the capital.
Clicked on the Greater Dublin thing again.
Ah for f**k sake how in name of jayus did they put Kildare, Meath and Wicklow in there - they have some neck.
That does not not make it greater"

NI being a similar population to 'greater dublin' did not help me so I got those arseways as well..

Got there eventually.

[Deleted User]

a ref at croker wouldve let you away with it an all imo

ArielAtom

threeball wrote: »

You'll be in a small minority then

And what research do you base that on. You said 100%. So you are factually wrong. Oh dear, more lies.

threeball

ArielAtom wrote: »

And what research do you base that on. You said 100%. So you are factually wrong. Oh dear, more lies.

Basic reading lessons are required on this thread as some of you obviously can't. I said they would 100% get a following (it means its a certainty), not that 100% would follow the team. Some oddballs won't, for a while.

blanch152

gaffer91 wrote: »

My God. Are you really that biased? This is literally fake news. I suggest contacting the Russian government and asking if they have any job openings, you'd fit in well. There has been dozens, if not hundreds, if not thousands, of well researched and verified posts and articles detailing the many ways Dublin have been overfunded relative to every other county.

I think there was some lad on a Dublin GAA podcast recently spouting the same ****e- his arguments were promptly debunked as well.

There have been dozens, yes hundreds, yes even thousands of posts on Dublin over-funding, but "well-researched and verified" is a stretch for even one of them.
Not a single one of them contains the whole picture.

ToBeFrank123

blanch152 wrote: »

There have been dozens, yes hundreds, yes even thousands of posts on Dublin over-funding, but "well-researched and verified" is a stretch for even one of them.
Not a single one of them contains the whole picture.

Here you go.

Summary of results of last census.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_counties_by_population

The top 3 counties

Rank
Administrative county
Population
Density (/ km²)
Traditional province
Change since
previous census
1
Dublin
1,347,359
1,459.2
Leinster
5.7%
2
Antrim
618,108
202.9
Ulster
1.8%
3
Cork
542,868
72.3

Dublin got about 1 euro per person in GDF every year from 2007-2018.

If Cork and Antrim were to get similar, they should have received over 500,000 and 600,000 per year in gdf. Instead Cork averaged at something like 130,000 per annum, a long way behind Dublin.

No matter which way you look at the stats, Dublin comes out looking badly and over-funded.

ArielAtom

threeball wrote: »

You'll be in a small minority then

So you admit your posted lies. Thanks.

ArielAtom

threeball wrote: »

Basic reading lessons are required on this thread as some of you obviously can't. I said they would 100% get a following (it means its a certainty), not that 100% would follow the team. Some oddballs won't, for a while.

Deflect, oh dear. You really are moving the goal posts, to use a well known phrase.

blanch152

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Here you go.

Summary of results of last census.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_counties_by_population

The top 3 counties

Dublin got about 1 euro per person in GDF every year from 2007-2018.

If Cork and Antrim were to get similar, they should have received over 500,000 and 600,000 per year in gdf. Instead Cork averaged at something like 130,000 per annum, a long way behind Dublin.

No matter which way you look at the stats, Dublin comes out looking badly and over-funded.

You have just proved my point, you have included only gdf funding and you have amalgamated all the years from 2007-2018 to hide the decline in funding in recent years.

As I said, calling even one of the posts on Dublin dominance "well-researched and verified" is a stretch.

ToBeFrank123

blanch152 wrote: »

You have just proved my point, you have included only gdf funding and you have amalgamated all the years from 2007-2018 to hide the decline in funding in recent years.

As I said, calling even one of the posts on Dublin dominance "well-researched and verified" is a stretch.

Personally and I know others have mentioned this too, I'd like to see an investigation and report into all the funding of the last 15 years and who got what.

At this stage we know Bertie initiated the extra funds to Dublin, we have this on his own word and Pauric Duffys.

And it was started as a pilot, but turned into a 15 year long pilot and from what I can see no other county benefitted. Only in the last few years are they rolling the pilot out to East Leinster and cutting back Dublin's funding, immediately after Ewan McKenna's highly publicised allegations of financial doping.

Dublin clubs really shouldn't be receiving major funding, particularly the wealthy super clubs. Its completely wrong that wealthy Dublin clubs are getting further financial assistance from the GAA for games development when in the rest of the country most clubs do this work without a GDO. The way you get young people participating is invite them and parents into the club and rural clubs have been doing this for generations.

Bertie's rationale for supporting games development in Dublin was nonsense, he saw the money not so much as increasing participation but professionalising the coaching and creating a large number of professional coaches.

blanch152

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Personally and I know others have mentioned this too, I'd like to see an investigation and report into all the funding of the last 15 years and who got what.

At this stage we know Bertie initiated the extra funds to Dublin, we have this on his own word and Pauric Duffys.

And it was started as a pilot, but turned into a 15 year long pilot and from what I can see no other county benefitted. Only in the last few years are they rolling the pilot out to East Leinster and cutting back Dublin's funding, immediately after Ewan McKenna's highly publicised allegations of financial doping.

Dublin clubs really shouldn't be receiving major funding, particularly the wealthy super clubs. Its completely wrong that wealthy Dublin clubs are getting further financial assistance from the GAA for games development when in the rest of the country most clubs do this work without a GDO. The way you get young people participating is invite them and parents into the club and rural clubs have been doing this for generations.

Bertie's rationale for supporting games development in Dublin was nonsense, he saw the money not so much as increasing participation but professionalising the coaching and creating a large number of professional coaches.

If it needs an investigation, it is hardly a verified fact. Just because Bertie claimed he gave the extra money on his initiative doesn't mean he did.

There is a certain naivety about city life in your post. It is all very well that you can say that you get young people participating by inviting them and their parents into the club. That may well work and obviously you are happy that it has worked in rural areas for generations, but that just doesn't and won't work in urban areas. It is a good point of difference though, and makes the case for extra funding for urban clubs to help them recruit young people.

ToBeFrank123

blanch152 wrote: »

If it needs an investigation, it is hardly a verified fact. Just because Bertie claimed he gave the extra money on his initiative doesn't mean he did.

There is a certain naivety about city life in your post. It is all very well that you can say that you get young people participating by inviting them and their parents into the club. That may well work and obviously you are happy that it has worked in rural areas for generations, but that just doesn't and won't work in urban areas. It is a good point of difference though, and makes the case for extra funding for urban clubs to help them recruit young people.

Ah FFS. The head burying is gone beyond reasonable at this stage.

Of course he gave the money. He admitted it, and Pauric Duffy backed it up. Cut and dried, case closed.

There are hundreds of urban clubs throughout Ireland. Cork, Limerick, Galway, Waterford, Athlone, Dundalk (where soccer is strong), Derry and so on are all urban areas badly in need of the funding you suggest is required by urban areas. But they got crumbs compared to Dublin.

It all ties back to Bertie and his blatant bias towards Dublin.

RoyalCelt

Anyone else not able to click on page 124?

ArielAtom

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Anyone else not able to click on page 124?

That might be because were only at 99;) or 100 with my post!!!!!

RoyalCelt

blanch152 wrote: »

If it needs an investigation, it is hardly a verified fact. Just because Bertie claimed he gave the extra money on his initiative doesn't mean he did.

There is a certain naivety about city life in your post. It is all very well that you can say that you get young people participating by inviting them and their parents into the club. That may well work and obviously you are happy that it has worked in rural areas for generations, but that just doesn't and won't work in urban areas. It is a good point of difference though, and makes the case for extra funding for urban clubs to help them recruit young people.

Oh you poor Dubs living in an urban area.

Belfast, galway, Limerick, cork, waterford, kilkenny, Drogheda, Navan, dundalk, mullingar, Castlebar, Newry, derry, Lisburn, letter kenny, Ennis, wexford Town, carlow, Naas, Armagh City, Omagh and many more urban areas with the exact same issues as Dublin say hello.

We know you're burrying your heads and shifting goalposts because you fear an admittance will devalue the coming 5 in a row. Starting to look like Henry Shefflin defending Richie hogan on the Sunday game last night.

Ah but sure it's 31 vs 1. You don't care what the rest of us muck savages think. We're all the same!

dunnerc

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Oh you poor Dubs living in an urban area.

Belfast, galway, Limerick, cork, waterford, kilkenny, Drogheda, Navan, dundalk, mullingar, Castlebar, Newry, derry, Lisburn, letter kenny, Ennis, wexford Town, carlow, Naas, Armagh City, Omagh and many more urban areas with the exact same issues as Dublin say hello.

We know you're burrying your heads and shifting goalposts because you fear an admittance will devalue the coming 5 in a row. Starting to look like Henry Shefflin defending Richie hogan on the Sunday game last night.

Ah but sure it's 31 vs 1. You don't care what the rest of us muck savages think. We're all the same!

Muck savages ? would prefer country cousins

blanch152

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Oh you poor Dubs living in an urban area.

Belfast, galway, Limerick, cork, waterford, kilkenny, Drogheda, Navan, dundalk, mullingar, Castlebar, Newry, derry, Lisburn, letter kenny, Ennis, wexford Town, carlow, Naas, Armagh City, Omagh and many more urban areas with the exact same issues as Dublin say hello.

We know you're burrying your heads and shifting goalposts because you fear an admittance will devalue the coming 5 in a row. Starting to look like Henry Shefflin defending Richie hogan on the Sunday game last night.

Ah but sure it's 31 vs 1. You don't care what the rest of us muck savages think. We're all the same!

What a twist. Your friend Frank thinks we should just have a conversation after Mass and invite the young lad down the field to have a kick of the ball or something because that's how it works in Mayo. All I said is that is not workable in urban areas, and I am suddenly the one shifting goalposts.

The five-in-a-row hasn't been achieved yet; unless it is, we won't be saying anything about it. It is the country cousins who are playing it up in order to knock Dublin down if it doesn't happen. All par for the course.

ToBeFrank123

blanch152 wrote: »

What a twist. Your friend Frank thinks we should just have a conversation after Mass and invite the young lad down the field to have a kick of the ball or something because that's how it works in Mayo. All I said is that is not workable in urban areas, and I am suddenly the one shifting goalposts.

The five-in-a-row hasn't been achieved yet; unless it is, we won't be saying anything about it. It is the country cousins who are playing it up in order to knock Dublin down if it doesn't happen. All par for the course.

Fine if its not workable in urban areas, although the club will always be the centre of the GAA community regardless if its urban or rural.

Why was Dublin singled out by Bertie as the only urban area that required massive investment? Why did he ignore every other urban area? In the early 2000s there were signs of several urban areas and counties underperforming. Why no investment for them?

Its a mystery why Bertie only gave funds to his own county for this pilot and ignored every other urban area. Clearly he had no interest in helping them, only his own. And this was the start of the undermining of the Leinster championship and Sam Maguire as a competitive competition that people could take seriously.

blanch152

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Fine if its not workable in urban areas, although the club will always be the centre of the GAA community regardless if its urban or rural.

The club will always be the centre of the GAA community, that is true, but in rural areas it is also the centre of the community, which is a place it has to fight for in urban areas.

Gachla

As has been shown on this thread and elsewhere, the Games Development funding has had a huge impact on Gaelic Games in Dublin. That's not the end of it though, there's more in what some are referring to as financial doping. Dublin GAA receive huge amounts from sponsorship. Of course, increased success on the playing field across the board has attracted the attention of these companies, showing further effect of the Games Development money. Let's have a look at the sponsorship deals.
Obviously, Aig is the big one. Dublin GAA will get about 4 million from them in the current deal which goes from last year to 2023. They got a similar amount in their previous deal with aig which was from 2013. Before that, vodafone were giving Dublin almost 6 million duing the lifespan of their deal. Here's a list of other sponsors Dublin GAA have had:

O'Neills – official kit partner

Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner

Ballygowan – official hydration partner

Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership

Aer Lingus – official airline partner

Linwoods – official health food provider

Skins – official performance baselayer product

The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner

ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier

Jack & Jones - official menswear provider

Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider

Subaru – official car partner

As you can see, they've had quite the list. Very, very lucrative. Financially of course, Dublin receive well over a million from sponsorship every year. The sponsors assist in other ways too. Subaru provides cars to players and management of various teams. Gourmet Foot parlour provides free meals, all prepared for players dietary needs. And of course, aig sort out Dublin players car insurance for them.

tikkahunter

Gachla wrote: »

As has been shown on this thread and elsewhere, the Games Development funding has had a huge impact on Gaelic Games in Dublin. That's not the end of it though, there's more in what some are referring to as financial doping. Dublin GAA receive huge amounts from sponsorship. Of course, increased success on the playing field across the board has attracted the attention of these companies, showing further effect of the Games Development money. Let's have a look at the sponsorship deals.
Obviously, Aig is the big one. Dublin GAA will get about 4 million from them in the current deal which goes from last year to 2023. They got a similar amount in their previous deal with aig which was from 2013. Before that, vodafone were giving Dublin almost 6 million duing the lifespan of their deal. Here's a list of other sponsors Dublin GAA have had:

O'Neills – official kit partner

Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner

Ballygowan – official hydration partner

Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership

Aer Lingus – official airline partner

Linwoods – official health food provider

Skins – official performance baselayer product

The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner

ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier

Jack & Jones - official menswear provider

Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider

Subaru – official car partner

As you can see, they've had quite the list. Very, very lucrative. Financially of course, Dublin receive well over a million from sponsorship every year. The sponsors assist in other ways too. Subaru provides cars to players and management of various teams. Gourmet Foot parlour provides free meals, all prepared for players dietary needs. And of course, aig sort out Dublin players car insurance for them.

The majority of that is bollocks but whatever sponsors they do have where got fairly and there is absolutely nothing stopping any other county from doing the same but as I have said many times their county board could not be bothered and that is something all the moaners in this thread completely ignore. You're own lack of sponsorship is your county boards living in the Stone Age.

MayoAreMagic

tikkahunter wrote: »

The majority of that is bollocks but whatever sponsors they do have where got fairly and there is absolutely nothing stopping any other county from doing the same but as I have said many times their county board could not be bothered and that is something all the moaners in this thread completely ignore. You're own lack of sponsorship is your county boards living in the Stone Age.

How is it bollocks? They have those sponsors - they advertise it themselves.

Here is an interesting question. How do non dubs rate the achievements of this dublin team, i.e. post financial doping?

My own feeling would be I dont really count any of them after 2013, with the 5 in a row not registering at all. I also think the mayo team that came about at the same time were let down by the gaa. Not because I am from mayo, but moreso because without this intervention, those lads probably come away with a number of all ireland medals. When you consider they are now being called the best team never to win an all Ireland, it is quite harsh on them. If you put yourself in their shoes, it must be hard not to be some ways bitter about that. Similarly so for tyrone last year, and kerry this year too, although they probably still have chances.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

tikkahunter wrote: »

The majority of that is bollocks but whatever sponsors they do have where got fairly and there is absolutely nothing stopping any other county from doing the same but as I have said many times their county board could not be bothered and that is something all the moaners in this thread completely ignore. You're own lack of sponsorship is your county boards living in the Stone Age.

Yes, I am sure Letirim and Carlow will find it easy to get that many sponsors.

ciarang85

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

How is it bollocks? They have those sponsors - they advertise it themselves.

Here is an interesting question. How do non dubs rate the achievements of this dublin team, i.e. post financial doping?

My own feeling would be I dont really count any of them after 2013, with the 5 in a row not registering at all. I also think the mayo team that came about at the same time were let down by the gaa. Not because I am from mayo, but moreso because without this intervention, those lads probably come away with a number of all ireland medals. When you consider they are now being called the best team never to win an all Ireland, it is quite harsh on them. If you put yourself in their shoes, it must be hard not to be some ways bitter about that. Similarly so for tyrone last year, and kerry this year too, although they probably still have chances.

Your whole boards account posts are based on criticizng the dubs!! That's basically all you do even tho as you said you don't care since 2013!

Your saying the mayo lads must be bitter? Look at your own posts...

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

How is it bollocks? They have those sponsors - they advertise it themselves.

Here is an interesting question. How do non dubs rate the achievements of this dublin team, i.e. post financial doping?

My own feeling would be I dont really count any of them after 2013, with the 5 in a row not registering at all. I also think the mayo team that came about at the same time were let down by the gaa. Not because I am from mayo, but moreso because without this intervention, those lads probably come away with a number of all ireland medals. When you consider they are now being called the best team never to win an all Ireland, it is quite harsh on them. If you put yourself in their shoes, it must be hard not to be some ways bitter about that. Similarly so for tyrone last year, and kerry this year too, although they probably still have chances.

We understand their bitterness, we read it every day on here.

gormdubhgorm

I have listed Kerry Football's major titles (AI's/provincial's/leagues) between two periods

1981-2000 and 2001-2019

As you can see Kerry people have a lot to be happy about

Both Kerry tables are placed side by side in two-time frames for easy analysis.
Also, in the interests of fairness I have concentrated on football as this can more easily be compared to Dublin as both teams are/were on similar levels during their history.

Kerry GAA honours

1981 -2000

Intercounty football

AI men’s (5)
1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1997

Obviously the great Kerry team of the 80’s got most of these all-ireland’s and a resurgent Kerry generation which were the driving force for the next decade were sparked by 1997 much like the way Dublin were sparked by the 2011 win.

AI u21 Men (4)

All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championships: (4)
1990, 1995, 1996, 1998,

That 95- 98 era were the backbone of the decade that was to come – they were of course largely responsible for the senior win in 97 and subsequent years in the 00’s.
Much like Dublin’s exceptional crop of players from 10,12,14,17 contributed to Dublin’s rise
With special mention made for Dublin’s 2014 group which equates to Kerry’s the best of the u21 lads that drove Kerry on. Sometimes great crops just emerge.

AI Minor men (1)

1988
(this lack in talent was a contributory factor to almost a decade in the wilderness at senior level)

Like Dublin who only won one minor in 1984 and had a long fallow period until the great Jim Gavin broke the duck in 2012 with a great group of lads – ‘Meathman’ E lowndes was on this team by the way. It was team that contained Costello, Scully, McHugh, Carthy, Byrne and another ‘Meathman’ Michael Deegan – son of the legendary Dub Mick.
There was to no Terry Ferguson turncoats who turned their back on Dublin in this era!

Although we did get Paul Curran of Meath stock to play in the 90’s, so it worked out well.

Munster men’s (10)

1981, 1982, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1991, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000

Munster u21 Mens’ (11)

1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999

Munster minor Mens’ (8)

1982, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998

League Men’s Div 1

1982, 1984, 1997

This is three leagues back when the league was not treated seriously in anyway shape or form

League Men’s Div 2

0

Junior AI (3)

1983, 1991, 1994,

This was a surprise to me how poor Kerry’s record was at this level – maybe not much focus was given to it?

AI Vocational Schools (6)

1986, 1987, 1990, 1992, 1993, 1997

This seems to have dried up since the 90’s maybe the Kerry lads just started going to fancier schools?

Munster Junior Men (7)
1983, 1985, 1991, 1994, 1995, 1997, 2000

Ladies football

AI ladies (10)

All-Ireland Senior Ladies' Football Championships: 10

1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1993

All-Ireland Under-18 Ladies' (1)

1995

All-Ireland Under-16 Ladies' (1)

1999

All-Ireland Under-14 Ladies' (4)

1991, 1992, 1993, 1999

League Ladies (9)

1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991

It shows an incredible level of dominance of Kerry had in the lades game – an exceptional Cork team and a strong Waterford team obviously has been a stumbling block to Kerry’s success in subsequent years.

In contrast Dublin Ladies football appears severely neglected in their supposed years of dominance since 2003 it has only yielded three titles. That is three titled in their entire history
That is nowhere near the level of dominance of the Cork team of this era.
Yet Kerry still top the Tree of Ladies AI wins historically with 11

2001 -2019

AI men’s (6)

2000, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2014

This shows that Kerry have been just as dominant winning AI’s in this period as they were in the last despite the rise of Tryone and Armagh during this period.
It could lead a person to question whether this dominance is good for the game of football?
Particularly in light of minority negative criticism of the Dublin team from behind keyboards, or those who have wandered up from boreens.

It could be argued that a strong Dublin was badly needed to provide some competition to Kerry who with a supposedly weak side – still got to back to finals and won one and are in this years AI as well.
This is following on from Kerry’s domination the previous decade 2001-09 with FOUR AI’s in an era of the great Tryone side, the great Armagh side - Kerry still won a two in a row in that period!
Kerry have been in FOUR AI final’s this current decade 2010 – 19 so far winning one
It seems that competition for Kerry was badly needed otherwise they would have dominated this decade again!

Munster Mens’ (14)

2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

Kerry have clearly had the same level of dominance as Dublin do in Leinster – but this is little remarked upon for some reason

Dublin’s leinster titles are only one more than Kerry’s Munster titles in that 2000-2019 period standing at 15
(Dublin’s leinster’s) (15)
2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 )

This is despite of fantastic Cork team for a period and the rise of Tipp in Munster for a few years

League Men’s Div 1 (4)

2004, 2006, 2009, 2017

League Men’s Div 2 (1)

2002

All-Ireland Under-21 Football Championships: 1
2008

Munster u21 men’s (4)

2002, 2008, 2017, 2018 (A large gap and clear drop off from the previous year’s nothing to do with Dublin)
It is noticeable that 17 and 18 were back to back a sign that those from the minor grade are progressing

Munster Minor Men's (14)

2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2013, 2014, 2015,[ 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

Minor Men’s (5)

2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018

Nothing needs to be said about these Minors that has not already being said inceidble achievement incredible bunch

Munster Junior football championships (12)

2002, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

Junior AI Kerry (7)

2006, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019

League Mens’ div 1

AI ladies Kerry (O)

Large drop off here the power of the Cork/Waterford teams major factors

All-Ireland Under-18 Ladies'

None

All-Ireland Under-16 Ladies'

None

All-Ireland Under-14 Ladies' Football (1)

2008

Club football

1981 -2000

AI Club Mens’ (3)

84 Castleisland, 92 Crokes, 95 Laune R.

Then a strong era of Nemo and Crossmaglen meant that Kerry’s next appearance was in 2004 in an AI final where Gaeltacht with the O’Se’s were beaten by Galway’s Caltra

Munster Club Football champions club (7)

Castleisland 84,85, Crokes 90,91, Laune 95,96, UCC *Large amount of Kerry players* 99

Munster Ladies club (2)

86, 83

2001 -2019

AI club (1)

Crokes 2016

Munster Club Football champions (7)

Crokes 11,12,13, 16,18, 19 Stacks 14

SUMMARY

So what are my overall summary on Kerrys domination of football in both time frames?
Well, there only seems to be three major difference between Kerry football 1981-2000 and Kerry football 2001 – 2019

1) Kerry now have an even stronger hold on the Munster championship than they ever have had - It has rocketed up since the 81-00 period

2) Kerry’s ladies football has fallen off a cliff they are not able for the strength of Waterford and Cork

3) Although Kerry are no longer dominating u21 level outside Munster they are more than making up for it at minor level.

There are a number of striking similarities between the two timeframes –

1) In both timeframes 81-00, and 01-19 Kerry still have near the amount of AI’s 5 v 6 - could easily be 5 v 7 in a few weeks

2) There are actually more League titles won by Kerry in their most recent period. This is very impressive considering the league is taken more seriously these days.

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Future Dublin synopsis

You will see when I give my detailed analysis on Dublin’s football timeframes 81-00 and 01-19 that Dublin’s Dominance is not unusual when compared to levels of dominance from Kerry.
Unfortunately, I do not have time to go into more detail on that in this particular moment in time.

But I have done the table for Dublin and I will give my thoughts on in in another post.

But my initial thoughts are Dublin’s re-entry into the u21 level has proved crucial in the improvement in standards of men’s football, both nationwide and in the county of Dublin.

For those who do not know Dublin did not even enter u21 teams for large periods of the 70’s and 80’s

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-s-under-21s-now-thriving-after-half-hearted-beginnings-1.2594374

I believe this had a detrimental effect on Dublin underage football, and if you analysis it properly you will see that Dublin’s core success at senior level resulted from u21 success.
This 12-16 period also coincided with a run of Dublin success in the leinster club championship from 12-16

Also the drive behind ladies football in Dublin seems to centre around two clubs Boden and Foxrock - which shows to me that it is a very select group that is leading the charge in this area.

I will hopefully get more time to do a more detailed analysis of Dublin in the coming days.

MayoAreMagic

ciarang85 wrote: »

Your whole boards account posts are based on criticizng the dubs!! That's basically all you do even tho as you said you don't care since 2013!

Your saying the mayo lads must be bitter? Look at your own posts...

Not true at all. I post on more than Dublins financial doping. Not that that even matters, because as long as Im telling the truth, which I am, then my posting interests are not the slightest bit relevant.
Im not bitter either, as Ive said often, I would be ashamed if it were me in that position. Needing that kind of investment to challenge, despite all the advantages they already had. Sure its no more than an albatross hanging over them.

Re the mayo lads, well I suppose they are what we were told the gaa was supposed to be. They grafted their way to the top, put in the work, they improved, they reached the pinnacle, and then the gaa financialy dope the thing to give the titles to someone else for non-sporting reasons. In fairness that sounds like a pretty crappy thing to happen to someone... Ive only played club football and I know Id be p*ssed off by that, as would most people - all your footballing career building to something and then it is nabbed off you to bring in cash, too right they would. For intercounty it must be even worse

kilns

Gachla wrote: »

As has been shown on this thread and elsewhere, the Games Development funding has had a huge impact on Gaelic Games in Dublin. That's not the end of it though, there's more in what some are referring to as financial doping. Dublin GAA receive huge amounts from sponsorship. Of course, increased success on the playing field across the board has attracted the attention of these companies, showing further effect of the Games Development money. Let's have a look at the sponsorship deals.
Obviously, Aig is the big one. Dublin GAA will get about 4 million from them in the current deal which goes from last year to 2023. They got a similar amount in their previous deal with aig which was from 2013. Before that, vodafone were giving Dublin almost 6 million duing the lifespan of their deal. Here's a list of other sponsors Dublin GAA have had:

O'Neills – official kit partner

Lifestyle Sports – official clothing partner

Ballygowan – official hydration partner

Energise Sport – part of the official hydration partnership

Aer Lingus – official airline partner

Linwoods – official health food provider

Skins – official performance baselayer product

The Gibson Hotel – official sleeping partner

ROS Nutrition – official supplement supplier

Jack & Jones - official menswear provider

Gourmet Food Parlour – restaurant provider

Subaru – official car partner

As you can see, they've had quite the list. Very, very lucrative. Financially of course, Dublin receive well over a million from sponsorship every year. The sponsors assist in other ways too. Subaru provides cars to players and management of various teams. Gourmet Foot parlour provides free meals, all prepared for players dietary needs. And of course, aig sort out Dublin players car insurance for them.

Are there figures behind these official partners? Do you really think Aer Lingus give much money to Dublin GAA or are a flying partner to them, imagine the heads exploding if Aer Lingus were flying Dublin to games around the country

Do you think Dublin get much money from ONeills?

They get a free room in the Gibson hotel every now and again..

Do Subaru really provide a car to each player?

This is mostly to be associated with Dublin GAA and players receive perks from the involvement, just like many players around the country get. However, these things are not new, before Dublin were succesful Dublin players would receive bags of free items from Arnotts etc

I bet if you add all this up, it does not add up to much in monetary terms

kilns

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Not true at all. I post on more than Dublins financial doping. Not that that even matters, because as long as Im telling the truth, which I am, then my posting interests are not the slightest bit relevant.
Im not bitter either, as Ive said often, I would be ashamed if it were me in that position. Needing that kind of investment to challenge, despite all the advantages they already had. Sure its no more than an albatross hanging over them.

Re the mayo lads, well I suppose they are what we were told the gaa was supposed to be. They grafted their way to the top, put in the work, they improved, they reached the pinnacle, and then the gaa financialy dope the thing to give the titles to someone else for non-sporting reasons. In fairness that sounds like a pretty crappy thing to happen to someone... Ive only played club football and I know Id be p*ssed off by that, as would most people - all your footballing career building to something and then it is nabbed off you to bring in cash, too right they would. For intercounty it must be even worse

I´m not bitter but.............

beggars_bush

I see Supervalu finally decided to change their advert and include a few non Dublin heads in it. But why Andy?
Was getting sick of looking at Brogans mug