Ireland's asylum hotel monthly bill tops €3.54m

mfceiling · 15-08-2019 5:54pm

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Personally, I think we should follow the example of the rest of Europe and let them find jobs. They will contribute and pay taxes then. Deport them if necessary if they fail at the asylum application like before. It is just costing us money to keep them in hotels and not letting them work.

Not having a go but what jobs?

There's very few unskilled jobs for people with no grasp of English. A lot of these migrants could find themselves being hugely exploited by unscrupulous employers in a job that offers no security and minimum wage.

I keep hearing the "let them work" argument. How many jobs have we currently for someone who speaks little to no English?

Boggles · 15-08-2019 6:08pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Not having a go but what jobs?

There's very few unskilled jobs for people with no grasp of English. A lot of these migrants could find themselves being hugely exploited by unscrupulous employers in a job that offers no security and minimum wage.

I keep hearing the "let them work" argument. How many jobs have we currently for someone who speaks little to no English?

Why is a decent grasp of English so important for a low skilled job?

Polish guy up the road from me, very few words, he is a cracking panel beater (skilled job), hasn't held him back.

Re exploitation, don't let it happen, we have employment laws, enforce them.

mvl · 15-08-2019 7:03pm

Boggles wrote: »

Why is a decent grasp of English so important for a low skilled job?

Polish guy up the road from me, very few words, he is a cracking panel beater (skilled job), hasn't held him back.

Re exploitation, don't let it happen, we have employment laws, enforce them.

wha ?

you'd think they'd need to describe what they can do in English, especially if they've no papers - or would you think the state should provide translators during job interviews for them ?

- that polish guy may have a network of family or friends that helped him get the jobs, rather than relying on welfare ...

SchrodingersCat · 15-08-2019 7:06pm

mvl wrote: »

wha ?

you'd think they'd need to describe what they can do in English, especially if they've no papers - or would you think the state should provide translators during job interviews for them ?

- that polish guy may have a network of family or friends that helped him get the jobs, rather than relying on welfare ...

Another nationality may have family or friends that helped them get the jobs too. They don't strictly have to be Polish.

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-08-2019 7:30pm

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah all Fordiners are just feckless and want welfare.

I strongly disagree with your very racist sentiment.

'Any' 'fordiners' as you call them, (from anywhere) that are skilled, well-meaning and (importantly) here legally through proper procedure or due process, are all most welcome indeed.

However, illegal economic migrants, often illterate and unskilled who are seeking to take advantage must be held accountable. Since they can't work the simply 'have' to recieve taxpayers welfare, that is the default option.

On the other hand if you were to offer them 'any type' of work visa whatsoever (simply on the premesis of showing up), you would have a can-o-worms mass exodus of illegal economic migrants landing on the shores, and jumping out of lorries (or similar) to take their chances. Driving down wages and pushing up rents. Those (most) that don't or won't find work, will be out of DP entering the black market of slave-like labour and become taken advantage of.

Galwayguy35 · 15-08-2019 7:34pm

Boggles wrote: »

Why is a decent grasp of English so important for a low skilled job?

Polish guy up the road from me, very few words, he is a cracking panel beater (skilled job), hasn't held him back.

Re exploitation, don't let it happen, we have employment laws, enforce them.

It's very important in a low skilled job as you call it.

I worked with people that had little or no english especially back in 2004 when the EE first arrived and it was impossible trying to explain to new people how to do the job when they hadn't a clue what we were saying.

Boggles · 15-08-2019 7:46pm

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

I strongly disagree with your very racist sentiment.

'Any' 'fordiners' as you call them, (from anywhere) that are skilled, well-meaning and (importantly) here legally through proper procedure or due process, are all most welcome indeed.

However, illegal economic migrants, often illterate and unskilled who are seeking to take advantage must be held accountable. Since they can't work the simply 'have' to recieve taxpayers welfare, that is the default option.

On the other hand if you were to offer them 'any type' of work visa whatsoever (simply on the premesis of showing up), you would have a can-o-worms mass exodus of illegal economic migrants landing on the shores, and jumping out of lorries (or similar) to take their chances. Driving down wages and pushing up rents. Those (most) that don't or won't find work, will be out of DP entering the black market of slave-like labour and become taken advantage of.

The exact same nonsense was peddled when the Eastern Europeans joined us.

We have just moved on to Africans now.

It's boring, you need a new shtick.

Boggles · 15-08-2019 7:46pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It's very important in a low skilled job as you call it.

I worked with people that had little or no english especially back in 2004 when the EE first arrived and it was impossible trying to explain to new people how to do the job when they hadn't a clue what we were saying.

Doing what exactly?

Galwayguy35 · 15-08-2019 7:50pm

Boggles wrote: »

Doing what exactly?

Factory and warehouse work

mfceiling · 15-08-2019 7:54pm

Boggles wrote: »

Why is a decent grasp of English so important for a low skilled job?

I'll tell you how. The first thing you need in construction is a safe pass card. Some guys are doing this course who do not speak a single word of english. The time before last when I did mine there were 3 guys, and one of them spoke a small bit of english. The guy taking the course asked him to translate for the other 2. He went through the entire course and the lad never uttered a word to the other 2. He did help them to answer the questions for the final "exam" part. That's 2 guys arriving on site with no english....None. Is that safe?

I was doing a fit out in East point business park and the labourer was a Lithuanian guy with no english. He was knocking down old stud walls. There was one wall with live services that was to be left untouched. He was told not to touch the wall and 2 minutes later he demolished the wall, taking out a heap of phone lines, the power to the floor and it fell on a lad from Balbriggan twisting his knee and putting him out of work for 6 weeks.

If you don't think a basic grasp of english is needed for a low skilled job in an english speaking company then I hold no hope I'm afraid!!

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-08-2019 8:05pm

Boggles wrote: »

The exact same nonsense was peddled when the Eastern Europeans joined us.
We have just moved on to Africans now.
It's boring, you need a new shtick.

Eastern europeans as you call them joined the EU legally, and as such rightfully have the right to work and travel within the EU. This is no issue, nor has it ever been since expansion.

Africans as you directly single out (forgetting about Asia & Mid-east) are not part of the EU and unlikely to be within the next 25-30yrs (pending the Barca' agreement progress).

So what's your nonsense point, just allow in anyone from anywhere and hope for the best (as a global recession looms and brexit is ready to cost 100,000 jobs) because it's getting really, really boring and you need a new big sthick to bang.

Why not take up concern melting icebergs, plastic bags or something else for a change. Unless of course you have some 'open door' agenda to peddle.

Kivaro · 15-08-2019 8:13pm

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Eastern europeans as you call them joined the EU legally, and as such rightfully have the right to work and travel within the EU. This is no issue, nor has it ever been since expansion.

Africans as you directly single out (forgetting about Asia & Mid-east) are not part of the EU and unlikely to be within the next 25-30yrs (pending the Barca' agreement progress).

So what's your nonsense point, just allow in anyone from anywhere and hope for the best (as a global recession looms and brexit is ready to cost 100,000 jobs) because it's getting really, really boring and you need a new big sthick to bang.

Why not take up concern melting icebergs, plastic bags or something else for a change. Unless of course you have some 'open door' agenda to peddle.

Oh no, you didn't!
I put that particular poster on ignore ages ago when I realised that this is exactly what he was trying to peddle. Anyone who doesn't agree with his open-door views are called ...... guess what? ...................... yep, a racist.

Boggles · 15-08-2019 8:37pm

mfceiling wrote: »

I was doing a fit out in East point business park and the labourer was a Lithuanian guy with no english. He was knocking down old stud walls. There was one wall with live services that was to be left untouched. He was told not to touch the wall and 2 minutes later he demolished the wall, taking out a heap of phone lines, the power to the floor and it fell on a lad from Balbriggan twisting his knee and putting him out of work for 6 weeks.

Because Irish people never do stupid things on building sites?

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Eastern europeans as you call them joined the EU legally, and as such rightfully have the right to work and travel within the EU.

Like I said it didn't stopped the same types peddling nonsense.

Kivaro wrote: »

Oh no, you didn't!
I put that particular poster on ignore ages ago

You have a lot of people on ignore.

Strange that.

Blueshoe · 15-08-2019 9:26pm

Boggles wrote: »

Because Irish people never do stupid things on building sites?
/quote]

Do you work in the public sector behind a desk?

JohnMc1 · 15-08-2019 9:40pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

There is one in a rural town close to my home house with 18 people. The hotel owner is actually a scumbag who was the type to be posting anti migrant messages on twitter and Facebook.

I say "was" because now that he is being paid a small fortune he has morphed into Bono or some other similar type fruitcake.

Money talks

I've always said this was a money making scam. If property owners and Govt officials weren't enriching themselves off this then this whole refugee scam would have been shut down years ago.

Ulysses Gaze · 15-08-2019 9:45pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

I've always said this was a money making scam. If property owners and Govt officials weren't enriching themselves off this then this whole refugee scam would have been shut down years ago.

And the legal profession and charity industry as well.

JohnMc1 · 15-08-2019 9:56pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And the legal profession and charity industry as well.

Yes. They've definitely benefited too.

SchrodingersCat · 15-08-2019 10:18pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Surely, you do not expect us to believe what an alliance of 104 NGOs across Europe is publishing?
It would be the same as if a poster of the opposite spectrum posted a link to a far-right site.

By the way, regarding the source of your information:
It is an organisation that protects and advances the rights of refugees, asylum seekers, and displaced persons.

The first paragraph on the page tells you where the statistics come from.

Since January 2017, the International Protection Office (IPO) is responsible for receiving and examining applications. The IPO publishes brief monthly statistical reports on international protection applications.

The IPO is the Irish government office for the processing of asylum applications.

SchrodingersCat · 15-08-2019 10:31pm

Here is an interesting statistic here that I found. In 2018, ~70% of asylum application appeals were affirmed, i.e. not overturned.
Applicants for asylum went up from 1,448 in 2014 to 3,673 in 2018. Overall, they are down from a peak of 11,000 in 2002.

http://www.protectionappeals.ie/website/rat/ratweb.nsf/page/MXKY-BD3BPP9152412-en/$File/IPAT%20Annual%20Report%202018.pdf

To recap from before, ~30% of asylum applications are successful.

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-08-2019 12:33am

Costs are expected to rise by over €45 million (or 58%) next year.
Here is an interesting statistic: The main reason for the cost increase is an expected 40% rise in asylum cases this year, following on from a 20% increase last year.
No problem, money grows on trees.

A relaxation of rules on asylum seekers' right to work and more State-owned direct provision centres are among a number of proposals being recommended to cope with an 'upsurge' in refugee claims.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0815/1069049-direct-provision-review/
An open invitation of sorts. Don't worry about the effects of Brexit (-100k jobs), lack of housing and the DowJones taking a dive this month (flirting with a new global recession), sure'll be grand.

Yurt2 · 16-08-2019 12:58am

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Costs are expected to rise by over €45 million (or 58%) next year.
Here is an interesting statistic: The main reason for the cost increase is an expected 40% rise in asylum cases this year, following on from a 20% increase last year.
No problem, money grows on trees.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0815/1069049-direct-provision-review/
An open invitation of sorts. Don't worry about the effects of Brexit (-100k jobs), lack of housing and the DowJones taking a dive this month (flirting with a new global recession), sure'll be grand.

I'm not opposed to immigration, a certain amount of it paying attention to the right mix of skills we need is good for the economy and society - but the way we're handling it is crazy.

Half the country will be Deliveroo cyclists and Subway sandwich artists living in 12 bed dorm rooms by mid-way through the next decade.

mfceiling · 16-08-2019 9:01am

Boggles wrote: »

Because Irish people never do stupid things on building sites?

Irish people have and will do stupid things on building sites but it's becoming more prevalent now that you must speak English to work on site. All safety meetings are null and void if you have people on site who don't understand that an area contains live electrical services or that an area is out of bounds due to it not being safe to work in. It's common sense that a person working in a country that speaks English must have some grasp of the language...Mind you nowadays common sense isn't that common.

RandomName2 · 16-08-2019 9:21am

magma69 wrote: »

The "what about our own homeless" crowd generally don't give a monkey's about our homeless and do **** all to help the homeless. It's about bashing asylum seekers.

I suppose you could say that about any argument, really.

The people complaining about the cost of the new children's hospital don't give a monkey's about sick children and do **** all to help sick people. It's about bashing the government.
The people complaining about the cost of bailing out the banks don't give a monkey's about people with sub-prime mortgages and do **** all to help people in arrears. It's about bashing the white collar employees.
The anti-water tax protesters didn't give a monkey's about private ownership of resources or low income families and do **** all to help people who are struggling with their bills. It was about them bashing people with high wages.
The people criticizing the recent proposal to build in Dublin bay don't give a monkey's about the environment or natural beauty of the bay, and do **** all to help the environment. It is about them bashing people looking for affordable housing.

Do you see what the problem is there? I mean, you have a point, but it's being used to redirect the conversation. This is prime ad-hominem, using a sweeping statement about people, and criticizing their motives, not their arguments.

The debate should be able to stand on its own merits.

And of course, when someone responded to an ad-hominem attack by giving evidence that the attack was false, that was dismissed by another poster with

nthclare wrote: »

Whoopi doo

Because facts in this case didn't suit their agenda.

SchrodingersCat · 16-08-2019 9:29am

mfceiling wrote: »

Not having a go but what jobs?

There's very few unskilled jobs for people with no grasp of English. A lot of these migrants could find themselves being hugely exploited by unscrupulous employers in a job that offers no security and minimum wage.

I keep hearing the "let them work" argument. How many jobs have we currently for someone who speaks little to no English?

I think its unfair to say that they have no grasp of English. Take Syria for example. English is taught in schools in Grade 1 in primary school. Secondly, for the first 8 months before they can work, Asylum seekers are given additional English lessons while they are under Direct Provision in Ireland.

mfceiling · 16-08-2019 8:18pm

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

I think its unfair to say that they have no grasp of English. Take Syria for example. English is taught in schools in Grade 1 in primary school. Secondly, for the first 8 months before they can work, Asylum seekers are given additional English lessons while they are under Direct Provision in Ireland.

Totally fair point. I'm talking about unskilled migrants with no english arriving here and somehow we're being told we need them to fill the gaps in the labour market.

Boggles · 16-08-2019 9:06pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Totally fair point. I'm talking about unskilled migrants with no english arriving here and somehow we're being told we need them to fill the gaps in the labour market.

Who said that?

4068ac1elhodqr · 16-08-2019 9:46pm

Boggles wrote: »

Who said that?

Are you claiming then they're mostly skilled with good literacy?

It's not outlandish to presume most may need basic literacy and language training. That's actually a good thing if has high uptake (unlike Denmark which had to force language and custom/values training in it's ghettos).

Again costs money and time, good trainers/teachers don't work for free.

Most likely aren't Syrians anyway, even then not sure if they're anywhere close to fluent. Met a poor Syrian lad in the corner shop pointing to a packet of eggs last year, took 10mins to work out he wanted some eggs bought, no problem he looked underfed so handed them to him outside. Better a packet of eggs than a shandy anyway.

Also hard to assume how they'll fill jobs, when losses are expected after Oct.

Boggles · 17-08-2019 9:02am

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Most likely aren't Syrians anyway, even then not sure if they're anywhere close to fluent. Met a poor Syrian lad in the corner shop pointing to a packet of eggs last year, took 10mins to work out he wanted some eggs bought, no problem he looked underfed so handed them to him outside. Better a packet of eggs than a shandy anyway.

Jaysus, the fabricated story's are getting weirder.

Allinall · 17-08-2019 9:29am

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

.........

Most likely aren't Syrians anyway, even then not sure if they're anywhere close to fluent. Met a poor Syrian lad in the corner shop pointing to a packet of eggs last year, took 10mins to work out he wanted some eggs bought, no problem he looked underfed so handed them to him outside. Better a packet of eggs than a shandy anyway.

Also hard to assume how they'll fill jobs, when losses are expected after Oct.

Fellow points at some eggs and it took 10 minutes to work out what he wanted?

What did they think he wanted? Washing powder?

Probably an Irish shop assistant.

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-08-2019 2:01pm

Allinall wrote: »

Fellow points at some eggs and it took 10 minutes to work out what he wanted?
What did they think he wanted? Washing powder?
Probably an Irish shop assistant.

Indeed, the poor chap didn't have a single word of english, not one.

It was all hand gestures pointing nodding and smiling. The first few minuites was all pointing at the shelves, then focusing on the eggs, then signalling him what eggs were, then checking the date - thumbs up, repeating the price in case he wanted that, the only feedback was more silent pointing and nodding.

Was about to head onto the next isle to continue shopping, when it clicked the lad was looking for someone to purchase them for him (more pointing towards the shop till), no problem would buy anyone a box of eggs.

Unlike the other 'professional operators' on the streets right outside: Roma lady rattling a container shouting 'change', and a junkie with dog on string and cardboard signage already looking too far stoned.

Boggles · 17-08-2019 4:05pm

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Indeed, the poor chap didn't have a single word of english, not one.

Really? How did you know he was Syrian?

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Met a poor Syrian lad

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-08-2019 6:02pm

Boggles wrote: »

Really? How did you know he was Syrian?

Two houses in the very same close locality (aross the road from said shop, and 300meters away had a load placed in them the same month.

There is also a basic process of elimination, whereby you can exculde many other likely nations.

The question is, what sort of future beckons for him if it took an age to comprehend he was looking a box of eggs. Sure, he may do something worthwhile in 5/10yrs, but won't be paying for anyones pension anytime soon.

Boggles · 17-08-2019 7:43pm

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Two houses in the very same close locality (aross the road from said shop, and 300meters away had a load placed in them the same month.

There is also a basic process of elimination, whereby you can exculde many other likely nations.

The question is, what sort of future beckons for him if it took an age to comprehend he was looking a box of eggs. Sure, he may do something worthwhile in 5/10yrs, but won't be paying for anyones pension anytime soon.

I'd say he'll be grand, mainly because he doesn't exist.

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-08-2019 7:54pm

Boggles wrote: »

I'd say he'll be grand, mainly because he doesn't exist.

Maybe in your mind, if it somehow suits your agenda to think so.

He existed/exists and is by all accounts was/is hungry, appeared malnourished and somewhat abandoned, if left resorting to some sort of casual sign-language to ask shoppers for basic goods.

On the plus side, eggs are likely one of the single best sources of nutrition there is, and perhaps the best choice inside a small supermarket.
If you were getting dumped in a foreign land with no resources or ability to thrive, souring a simple box of eggs under your arm is as good a move as any.

Boggles · 17-08-2019 8:52pm

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Maybe in your mind, if it somehow suits your agenda to think so.

Too much.

punisher5112 · 17-08-2019 10:38pm

Just because one person doesn't see it, that doesn't make it untrue....

McHardcore · 18-08-2019 9:24pm

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

Met a poor Syrian lad in the corner shop pointing to a packet of eggs last year, took 10mins to work out he wanted some eggs bought, no problem he looked underfed so handed them to him outside. Better a packet of eggs than a shandy anyway.

Nice story. This reminded me of a similar one that I was involved in.
I was sitting in the park reading a restaurant review in my Irish Times newspaper when I realised that I was feeling a bit peckish. Finishing off my cup of tea, I took a wander down to my local corner shop were there were three well fed Syrian twelve year old children sitting outside in the sun. As I made my way past, I couldn't help but notice that one of them was reading our very own James Joyce's Ulysses. I continued to make my way but now staring in disbelievement, I clumsily knocked the book from his hands. Picked it up while muttering an apology. I saw that he had made notes on the headers of the pages. In these, he was comparing the parallels of the novel to Homer’s Odyssey. His eyes made contact with me and beamed 'That's all right, old chap. apology accepted' and took the novel from my hands.
Meanwhile, noticing my ungainliness, the second Syrian broke into a full rendition of the H.M.S. Pinafore opera to ease the awkwardness. I turned and quickly entered the shop. Still speechless, I pointed at some eggs which the shop keeper bagged and I paid for without needing to say a word. Passing by the Syrians a second time, the third one called after me. Turning around, he handed me my newspaper which I had dropped in our encounter just two minutes prior. I thanked him profusely, apologiesed again and shuffled back to the safety of my seat in the park.
After I sat, I opened my box of eggs. To keep myself entertained while slurping on my protein filled lunch I leafed through the Irish Times to the Cryptic Crosaire Crossword. Much to my amazement, the crossword had been freshly completed. The bastard had penciled in all the answers while I was in the shop.

The point of my story is that at worst, your story is complete bollocks. At best, it is anecdotal evidence.

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-08-2019 2:40am

McHardcore wrote: »

The point of my story is ...

That your story is largely unreadable gibberish? Congrats to anyone (not me) who decided to read that whole random, and pointless blurb of word vomit.

RoyalCelt · 19-08-2019 3:19am

Gatling wrote: »

It's costs between 250- 500 million per annum to house asylum seekers here ,
And that's before medical and educational supports and then there's the free legal aid bill too

**** me. Honestly given our debt mountain every single asylum seeker should be sent home and no more taken in. Such a waste of money and so many Irish homeless themselves.

joseywhales · 19-08-2019 8:25am

I was glad to see a positive story from the Irish asylum seeking system in Ireland.

It just shows that there is great potential human resources coming from places like syria, where young smart hard working families are begging for an opportunity to thrive, despite language and public perception obstacles. Fair play to those that supported this family.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/student-who-came-to-ireland-from-syria-with-little-english-gets-602-leaving-cert-points-1.3990071

Sonny noggs · 19-08-2019 8:36am

Carl Puny Garlic wrote: »

That your story is largely unreadable gibberish? Congrats to anyone (not me) who decided to read that whole random, and pointless blurb of word vomit.

I found his story easy to read and comprehend plus it was far more plausible than your fairy tale. His story also suggests the doctors and engineers line we were fed by Merkel and co may well be true after all.

Boggles · 19-08-2019 9:04am

joseywhales wrote: »

I was glad to see a positive story from the Irish asylum seeking system in Ireland.

It just shows that there is great potential human resources coming from places like syria, where young smart hard working families are begging for an opportunity to thrive, despite language and public perception obstacles. Fair play to those that supported this family.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/student-who-came-to-ireland-from-syria-with-little-english-gets-602-leaving-cert-points-1.3990071

Amazing. To think only a few years ago she could only point at eggs.

mynamejeff · 19-08-2019 10:44am

punisher5112 wrote: »

Just because one person doesn't see it, that doesn't make it untrue....

and just because some one makes up a pure fantasy doesn't make it true or believable in any way .....

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-08-2019 2:25pm

Boggles wrote: »

Amazing. To think only a few years ago she could only point at eggs.

Incorrect, it said she had 'basic English skills', unlike the chap I met.

Also if you take anyone at an (genuine) early age (not like some new students in the uk with beards), and place in 'full-time' free education with every enhancement, additional language training, and every special support available, then potential to prosper is always there.

In this particular (singular) case it seems to have worked out well, and naturally should be encouraged if school places, and support is easily available.

Particularly encouraging is the movation to increase integration by become fluent, an essential requirement of course. In Denmark this often has to be forced with fiscal penalties if the motivation isn't present to do so.

However, if you place an adult lad in his late 20s with little support, no education and that has to resort to pointing to and asking strangers to get groceries from a small shop, then you have to honestly ask what is their likely outcome.

Bear in mind jobs for young-ish unskilled males with no literacy/education will be twice as difficult to come by in the 2030's as they are now.

punisher5112 · 19-08-2019 2:50pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

and just because some one makes up a pure fantasy doesn't make it true or believable in any way .....

And how do you know that???

Are you a judge and jury and executioner?

mynamejeff · 19-08-2019 7:39pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

And how do you know that???

Are you a judge and jury and executioner?

Aw would you stop it was like a Ann and Barry story and every one here has seen if for that as expected

if you cant accept your mistakes you ll never move past them kid

punisher5112 · 19-08-2019 7:43pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

Aw would you stop it was like a Ann and Barry story and every one here has seen if for that as expected

if you cant accept your mistakes you ll never move past them kid

Eh

s7ryf3925pivug · 19-08-2019 8:05pm

Well Syrian refugees should be welcomed and helped.

I think most people who take issue are concerned with the fake refugees from safe places, some of whom are fleeing prosecution rather than persecution.

punisher5112 · 19-08-2019 8:08pm

Anahi Hollow Bison wrote: »

Well Syrian refugees should be welcomed and helped.

I think most people who take issue are concerned with the fake refugees from safe places, some of whom are fleeing prosecution rather than persecution.

How many?

How many can this little island honestly take?put them? Feed them? Clothe them? Health care? Money? When do we stop?

Blueshoe · 19-08-2019 8:15pm

Anahi Hollow Bison wrote: »

Well Syrian refugees should be welcomed and helped.

I think most people who take issue are concerned with the fake refugees from safe places, some of whom are fleeing prosecution rather than persecution.

https://laois-nationalist.ie/2019/08/15/first-four-houses-for-syrian-refugees-ready/

They are being helped.

Ireland's asylum hotel monthly bill tops €3.54m

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