Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-08-2019 09:52PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Don't need to.

You guys can't decipher language.

NIST quote
Sunder: “[A] free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.... What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case.”

NIST was claiming the descent of the 18 upper floors of world trade seven took 40 per cent longer than freefall.

You guys never got that or watched the video to notice it. NIST changed this and they claimed freefall had occurred, so the 40 per cent longer time was an error. An error David Chandler highligted during their Q and A.

Dohnjoe · 18-08-2019 09:53PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Engineers and architects are challenging NIST. People involved in the type of work. Video is proof for me NIST has not got a clue.

The NIST is a highly complex investigation and study, it's full of variables, approximates, plenty of stuff in there to debate.

Just because someone debates or challenges a portion of it, doesn't mean that Joe Biden snuck into the world trade center and started planting bombs everywhere, now does it

But that's what you want us to believe

Dohnjoe · 18-08-2019 09:53PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You guys can decipher language.

NIST quote
Sunder: “[A] free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.... What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case.”

NIST was claiming the descent of the 18 upper floors of world trade seven took 40 per cent longer than freefall.

You guys never got that or watched the video to notice it. NIST changed this and they claimed freefall had occurred, so the 40 per cent longer time was an error. An error David Chandler highligted during their Q and A.

All of this is debunked and explained.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-08-2019 09:56PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

All of this is debunked and explained.

Debunked how? Its a NIST quote. Same language on video, word for word.

Six years of research- freefall an impossibility
Two months + later oh freefall is now possible. NIST claimed freefall was consistent with our results, really?

Dohnjoe · 18-08-2019 10:03PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Debunked how? Its a NIST quote. Same language on video, word for word.

It takes literally 10 seconds to find videos, and a further 10 seconds to find posts explaining it

18-08-2019 10:18PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Debunked how? Its a NIST quote. Same language on video, word for word.

Six years of research- freefall an impossibility
Two months + later oh freefall is now possible. NIST claimed freefall was consistent with our results, really?

Again:
You don't know what freefall is.
You don't understand what the NIST said.
You don't have an explanation for this in your fantasy.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-08-2019 10:40PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It takes literally 10 seconds to find videos, and a further 10 seconds to find posts explaining it

Not debunked or explained.

NIST started researching the collapse in 2002 and the final draft of their report appeared in August 2008- freefall was not mentioned.
After been exposed- they changed their study and released it in Nov 2008, and they claimed freefall was now acceptable, but had to be fire scenario that caused it

Completely ignoring freefall is consistent with controlled demolition and not a structural fire failure. NIST decided to make a dishonest claim freefall was consistent with their results gathered over the last six years. August 2018 revelations is prove they lied.

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-08-2019 10:54PM

Sunder https://www.nist.gov/people/sivaraj-shyam-sunder truly messed up when he claimed on video, the slower time was expected because there was still structural support still protecting the building. There was a progression of failures that had to happen first ) this is their theory regards progressive collapse and none of the failures were instantaneous ( can't be freefall)

So how does this analysis change in just two months? How does a fire freefall type scenario work?

Dohnjoe · 18-08-2019 10:55PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Not debunked or explained.

The info is all there, it's entirely up to yourself

Cheerful Spring2 · 18-08-2019 10:57PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The info is all there, it's entirely up to yourself

Providing info what NIST said on video. If you don't believe me watch the video, ten minutes long, it not a movie.

Post a rebuttal video and i will watch it.

Here for everyone else.

18-08-2019 11:03PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Providing info what NIST said on video. If you don't believe me watch the video, ten minutes long, it not a movie.

Post a rebuttal video and i will watch it.

Here for everyone else.

No need for a video.
The explanation is very simple.
You dont understand what freefall is or what the NIST said.

Dohnjoe · 18-08-2019 11:11PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Providing info what NIST said on video. If you don't believe me watch the video, ten minutes long, it not a movie.

Watched it before.

Post a rebuttal video and i will watch it.

Nah, it's been pointed out many times before you use these threads to bait people into attempting to convince you of something you'll subjectively reject (which is easy). It's better if you look up the info yourself

Dohnjoe · 18-08-2019 11:21PM

King Mob wrote: »

No need for a video.
The explanation is very simple.
You dont understand what freefall is or what the NIST said.

Indeed, or doesn't want to understand. Someone who has an irrational belief doesn't abandon it due to rational arguments.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-08-2019 02:58PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Indeed, or doesn't want to understand. Someone who has an irrational belief doesn't abandon it due to rational arguments.

I just not naive conspiracies happen. Iran-Contra was a political conspiracy that involved Ronald Reagan when he was President. Press and media and public were unware of it.It did eventually come out, but most of what took place still hidden from the public.

They sold guns to terrorists in the middle east.
The proceeds send to rebel groups in South America.
The US government worked alongside the Mexican and Colombia cartels to smuggle drugs into the United States. They helped in exchange by moving guns to the rebels groups in South and Central America.
CIA even had an entire enterprise set up with airports, pilots and ships to move drugs for the cartels. Barry Seal story is just one example of the corruption.

So don't be claiming US government officials don't do conspiracies, thats false.

9/11 is the same thing, they are just more clever this time hiding the facts from the official media and public at large. There plenty of leaks like i explained before thats proves there was a hiddeen network involved in 9/11. Bin Laden was not the mastermind of 9/11.

19-08-2019 03:02PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I just not naive conspiracies happen. Iran-Contra was a political conspiracy that involved Ronald Reagan when he was President. Press and media and public were unware of it.It did eventually come out, but most of what took place still hidden from the public.

They sold guns to terrorists in the middle east.
The proceeds send to rebel groups in South America.
The US government worked alongside the Mexican and Colombia cartels to smuggle drugs into the United States. They helped in exchange by moving guns to the rebels groups in South and Central America.
CIA even had an entire enterprise set up with airports, pilots and ships to move drugs for the cartels. Barry Seal story is just one example of the corruption.

So don't be claiming US government officials don't do conspiracies, thats false.

9/11 is the same thing, they are just more clever this time hiding the facts from the official media and public at large. There plenty of leaks like i explained before thats proves there was a hiddeen network involved in 9/11. Bin Laden was not the mastermind of 9/11.

I just not naive conspiracies happen. Iran-Contra was a political conspiracy that involved Ronald Reagan when he was President. Press and media and public were unware of it.It did eventually come out, but most of what took place still hidden from the public.

They sold guns to terrorists in the middle east.
The proceeds send to rebel groups in South America.
The US government worked alongside the Mexican and Colombia cartels to smuggle drugs into the United States. They helped in exchange by moving guns to the rebels groups in South and Central America.
CIA even had an entire enterprise set up with airports, pilots and ships to move drugs for the cartels. Barry Seal story is just one example of the corruption.

So don't be claiming US government officials don't do conspiracies, thats false.

Sandy hook is the same thing, they are just more clever this time hiding the facts from the official media and public at large. There plenty of leaks like i explained before thats proves there was a hiddeen network involved in Sandy Hook. Adam Lanza was not the mastermind of Sandy Hook.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-08-2019 03:11PM

King Mob wrote: »

I just not naive conspiracies happen. Iran-Contra was a political conspiracy that involved Ronald Reagan when he was President. Press and media and public were unware of it.It did eventually come out, but most of what took place still hidden from the public.

They sold guns to terrorists in the middle east.
The proceeds send to rebel groups in South America.
The US government worked alongside the Mexican and Colombia cartels to smuggle drugs into the United States. They helped in exchange by moving guns to the rebels groups in South and Central America.
CIA even had an entire enterprise set up with airports, pilots and ships to move drugs for the cartels. Barry Seal story is just one example of the corruption.

So don't be claiming US government officials don't do conspiracies, thats false.

Sandy hook is the same thing, they are just more clever this time hiding the facts from the official media and public at large. There plenty of leaks like i explained before thats proves there was a hiddeen network involved in Sandy Hook. Adam Lanza was not the mastermind of Sandy Hook.

Sandy Hook not a government conspiracy.
Its an online conspiracy
Every shooting - people think it done so they take away their guns.
Of course, most of younger shooters are just sick and needed medical attention
They also taking prescription drugs.

Dohnjoe · 19-08-2019 03:12PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I just not naive conspiracies happen. Iran-Contra was a political conspiracy that involved Ronald Reagan when he was President. Press and media and public were unware of it.It did eventually come out, but most of what took place still hidden from the public.

They sold guns to terrorists in the middle east.
The proceeds send to rebel groups in South America.
The US government worked alongside the Mexican and Colombia cartels to smuggle drugs into the United States. They helped in exchange by moving guns to the rebels groups in South and Central America.
CIA even had an entire enterprise set up with airports, pilots and ships to move drugs for the cartels. Barry Seal story is just one example of the corruption.

So don't be claiming US government officials don't do conspiracies, thats false.

9/11 is the same thing, they are just more clever this time hiding the facts from the official media and public at large. There plenty of leaks like i explained before thats proves there was a hiddeen network involved in 9/11. Bin Laden was not the mastermind of 9/11.

False equivalence. Just because something happened in the past isn't evidence of a different event in the future. E.g. just because Germany planned to attack France twice in the past doesn't mean they are planning it now

So don't be claiming US government officials don't do conspiracies, thats false.

Never claimed that

Dohnjoe · 19-08-2019 03:13PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Sandy Hook not a government conspiracy.

It is to Sandy Hook truthers. Their techniques are almost identical to yours by the way - proof of unspecified conspiracy by denial of facts surrounding the event

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-08-2019 03:20PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

False equivalence. Just because something happened in the past isn't evidence of a different event in the future. E.g. just because Germany planned to attack France twice in the past doesn't mean they are planning it now

Never claimed that

No wrong, the 9/11 hijackers were visiting flights schools that are secretly backed by Saudi Intelligence and the CIA. It make perfect sense why they ended up in certain places to take flying lessons. CIA has a history owning off the book businesses to carry out covert operations.

Iran- Contra similar events were happening, only they used the enterprise to smuggle drugs for the cartels.

Dohnjoe · 19-08-2019 03:29PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

No wrong, the 9/11 hijackers were visiting flights schools that are secretly backed by Saudi Intelligence and the CIA. It make perfect sense why they ended up in certain places to take flying lessons. CIA has a history owning off the book businesses to carry out covert operations.

Iran- Contra similar events were happening, only they used the enterprise to smuggle drugs for the cartels.

False equivalence. An event in the past isn't proof of an event in the future.

The Nal · 19-08-2019 03:30PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

No wrong, the 9/11 hijackers were visiting flights schools that are secretly backed by Saudi Intelligence and the CIA. It make perfect sense why they ended up in certain places to take flying lessons. CIA has a history owning off the book businesses to carry out covert operations.

Iran- Contra similar events were happening, only they used the enterprise to smuggle drugs for the cartels.

The Iran Contra affair was uncovered and reported on almost immediately. Its Washington. There are more leaks in that city than any other political environment in the world.

With 9/11, to think that there hasn't been one person to come forward or one credible leak after 18 years, the deaths of 3,000 people and double that in the wars that followed is extremely silly. A ludicrous thing to believe.

Any possibility of a conspiracy has faded now simply due to the passage of time. Its only private citizens like Hulsey taking the naive truthers down the gravy train who remain. And people like you who believe and fund their exploitation.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-08-2019 03:33PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It is to Sandy Hook truthers. Their techniques are almost identical to yours by the way - proof of unspecified conspiracy by denial of facts surrounding the event

How so. I never supported the Sandy hook conspiracy. If we all think alike i buy that conspiracy too.

You have people online denying Sandy Hook is real. There people who post anonymously. There nobody inside the government claiming the official story false. It not same thing.

9/11 conspiracy- people who actually were involved in investigations after the attacks disagree with the official record of 9/11.

Yes maybe they not interested in bombings going off inside the building talk, but that does change the facts, they don't believe the official narrative Al Qeada acted alone. You can still debate 9/11 conspiracy and not believe bombs were used.

Dohnjoe · 19-08-2019 03:41PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You have people online denying Sandy Hook is real. There people who post anonymously. There nobody inside the government claiming the official story false. It not same thing.

It's the same as 911 CT's

9/11 conspiracy- people who actually were involved in investigations after the attacks disagree with the official record of 9/11.

Nah, you decided that because some people disagreed or disputed some details in the past, that there were magical bombs in the buildings - there isn't one single person who took part in the investigation who claims that

This 911 conspiracy stuff would all be so much easier for you if you didn't claim there were these "controlled demolitions". Just pretend it was exactly as it was, but some Saudi royalty were involved. Path of least resistance..

So much easier..

19-08-2019 03:41PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Sandy Hook not a government conspiracy.
Its an online conspiracy.

9/11 not a government conspiracy.
Its an online conspiracy

Dohnjoe · 19-08-2019 03:44PM

King Mob wrote: »

9/11 not a government conspiracy.
Its an online conspiracy

It's like debating with an alcoholic in the final stages of denial. I'm waiting for the line "okay look 911 wasn't an inside job, but I just want to believe it more than anything". Somehow I don't think we're going to get that.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-08-2019 03:49PM

The Nal wrote: »

The Iran Contra affair was uncovered and reported on almost immediately. Its Washington. There are more leaks in that city than any other political environment in the world.

With 9/11, to think that there hasn't been one person to come forward or one credible leak after 18 years, the deaths of 3,000 people and double that in the wars that followed is extremely silly. A ludicrous thing to believe.

Any possibility of a conspiracy has faded now simply due to the passage of time. Its only private citizens like Hulsey taking the naive truthers down the gravy train who remain. And people like you who believe and fund their exploitation.

It was a genuine political conspiracy hidden from the public and the media. Uncovered, but still most of CIA involvement in drug smuggling was covered up. The barry seal story brought most of it to light. He became an asset of the CIA and they gave him him an airport with planes to help move guns to South America. The cartels they used the CIA planes to bring in drugs. This was illegal secret cover up and law enforcement was blind this was taking place.

Not true actually there has been people who have come forward and they were silenced by secret acts powers. One is Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer who was involved in secret program called able danger to track the Al Qeada cells, his group identified two of three hijacker cells before 9/11. There lot of stonewalling and covering up this program ever since 9/11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger T

There many others, but they all get gagged to stop talking in pubic and with the media.

19-08-2019 03:51PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's like debating with an alcoholic in the final stages of denial. I'm waiting for the line "okay look 911 wasn't an inside job, but I just want to believe it more than anything". Somehow I don't think we're going to get that.

Maybe when September rolls around and Hulsey's report ends in a wet fart, he'll start thinking about his own beliefs.

But before that happens I expect either a dramatic, stroppy exit from the forum forever again.
Or another suicide by mod.

19-08-2019 03:53PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It was a genuine political conspiracy hidden from the public and the media. Uncovered, but still most of CIA involvement in drug smuggling was covered up. The barry seal story brought most of it to light. He became an asset of the CIA and they gave him him an airport with planes to help move guns to South America. The cartels they used the CIA planes to bring in drugs. This was illegal secret cover up and law enforcement was blind this was taking place.

It was a genuine political conspiracy hidden from the public and the media. Uncovered, but still most of CIA involvement in drug smuggling was covered up. The barry seal story brought most of it to light. He became an asset of the CIA and they gave him him an airport with planes to help move guns to South America. The cartels they used the CIA planes to bring in drugs. This was illegal secret cover up and law enforcement was blind this was taking place.

So therefore Sandy Hook was also a conspiracy.
Cops from the area can't talk about it either because of a gag order and because it's considered forbidden to question the official story.

Also, this argument supports space lasers.

The Nal · 19-08-2019 03:57PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Not true actually there has been people who have come forward and they were silenced by secret acts powers. One is Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer who was involved in secret program called able danger to track the Al Qeada cells, his group identified two of three hijacker cells before 9/11. There lot of stonewalling and covering up this program ever since 9/11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger T

There many others, but they all get gagged to stop talking in pubic and with the media.

Thats entirely different to an Oliver North.

Anyway you think there were bombs in WT7. Why has no one come forward? Thousands of conspirators. Yet not one has had a change of heart?

Impossible.

Cheerful Spring2 · 19-08-2019 04:06PM

The Nal wrote: »

Thats entirely different to an Oliver North.

Anyway you think there were bombs in WT7. Why has no one come forward? Thousands of conspirators. Yet not one has had a change of heart?

Impossible.

I don't think the network that large, that it couldn't be kept secret.

People involved in the Al Qeada 9/11 attacks are locked up cells given no public trial. You only hearing from US intelligence.

The FBI Saudi government network investigation was shut down. So we have to read what the FBI agents say about it online and they are not happy. There small fish, in a big pond and when their superiors step in and tell them to stop looking they have to obey to keep their job. Speaking out after 9/11 is risky.

You don't need a big team to plant explosives. You just need time and protection not to be caught. At most, it involves less than 15 men planting demo-charges maybe less. Then you have people in the black world the controllers ordering it. This does not involve thousands of people.

Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

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