Why is being Right wing considered bad?

lufties · 18-08-2019 12:17am #1

I've noticed recently that even questioning liberal policies in Ireland is considered 'far right', and the likes of the journal call any dissenters to the government narrative 'far right'. In today's age, I'd be considered moderate right wing and I'm proud of my views in this regard. However, somehow I get the feeling the establishment would consider me as problematic.

My values are based on meritocracy and working hard to achieve. I dont buy into identity politics as I feel it feeds a beast of divide and conquer. I feel everyone should have the same rights and not he prejudiced on colour, race or creed. However, I do believe in the truth and we should not sacrifice truth on the alter of political correctness.

I do not have extreme views, but we dont have a fair and just society as it stands. Recently, at the protests at Google HQ, it is clear that certain far left elements planted someone to give a nazi salute at the protest. It then got air coverage from Ryan Tubridy, who couldn't even be bothered researching, and just spouted the usual nonsense. This really bothers me, as there is clearly a bias against people with conservative views.

drunkmonkey · 18-08-2019 12:37am

There's a perception in the media/social media that the right is bad only if your consuming left wing media in the news or your in a social media space where thought and speech are monitored and controlled like Twitter, Boards, Facebook etc. It's fascism disguised as libertarianism. I'm glad to be anywhere right of the current left.

lufties · 18-08-2019 12:42am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's a perception in the media/social media that the right is bad only if your consuming left wing media in the news or your in a social media space where thought and speech are monitored and controlled like Twitter, Boards, Facebook etc. It's fascism disguised as libertarianism. I'm glad to be anywhere right of the current left.

Well, I see it's the narrative on every single legacy media outlet. From the journal to RTE, the Irish times to the independent.

They all hate Trump, populism, Farage etc. I actually think the opposite, I like Trump and Farage and Patriotism. I really do wonder why every media outlet has the same opinion. Even all the Irish political parties are pretty much the same, none have conservative views. It's a bit worrying.

Yer Da sells Avon · 18-08-2019 12:49am

lufties wrote: »

I like Trump and Farage and Patriotism..

In which case, your claim that you're 'moderate right wing' is false.

Blueshoe · 18-08-2019 12:51am

It's not just in Ireland though. Any signs of conservative or right wing views are immediately described as far right.
Media pumps out article after article about "the rise of the far right" and how bad it is. It's acceptable to call someone a Nazi nowadays if they don't subscribe to left wing views.

I'm concerned about the amount of money spent on welfare
I'm concerned about the level of immigration into Ireland
I'm concerned about the creeping powers of the EU

= I'm worse than Hitler

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:04am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

In which case, your claim that you're 'moderate right wing' is false.

Your wrong. Neither are 'far right'. You sir are an example of what I'm talking about.

Mr.Nice Guy · 18-08-2019 1:07am

There's no bias against the right wing. There's an objection to narcissistic, sociopathic behaviour which is what the likes of Trump and Farage exemplify.

We already have a political party on the island that espouses Trumpian views, the Farage outlook on the world, and 'patriotism': they are the DUP, a party steeped in flag-waving and bluster, coupled with utter disregard for the rights of those they disagree with.

Why anyone would desire a green-hued version of this is beyond me.

I find using the DUP as a moral compass to be quite useful: essentially take whatever direction that is the opposite of the one they recommend. More often than not it tends to point one on to the more noble path.

Yer Da sells Avon · 18-08-2019 1:08am

lufties wrote: »

Your wrong. Neither are 'far right'. You sir are an example of what I'm talking about.

Are they, in your warped view, 'moderate'?

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:15am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Are they, in your warped view, 'moderate'?

Straight away you try to slander and ridicule. I've obviously triggered you. They are moderate. Both are Patriots putting their own above all else. Far right is being openly racist, or hating homosexuals.

Before you predictably go 'But they racist", show me evidence of such.

zimmermania · 18-08-2019 1:17am

lufties wrote: »

I've noticed recently that even questioning liberal policies in Ireland is considered 'far right', and the likes of the journal call any dissenters to the government narrative 'far right'. In today's age, I'd be considered moderate right wing and I'm proud of my views in this regard. However, somehow I get the feeling the establishment would consider me as problematic.

My values are based on meritocracy and working hard to achieve. I dont buy into identity politics as I feel it feeds a beast of divide and conquer. I feel everyone should have the same rights and not he prejudiced on colour, race or creed. However, I do believe in the truth and we should not sacrifice truth on the alter of political correctness.

I do not have extreme views, but we dont have a fair and just society as it stands. Recently, at the protests at Google HQ, it is clear that certain far left elements planted someone to give a nazi salute at the protest. It then got air coverage from Ryan Tubridy, who couldn't even be bothered researching, and just spouted the usual nonsense. This really bothers me, as there is clearly a bias against people with conservative views.

How is it clear that"certain far left elements planted someone to give a nazi salute at the protest"?

Stephen15 · 18-08-2019 1:17am

It's not about right or left with me it's a simple case of right or wrong. I would be considered by certain on here to be far right because of my anti immigration views but actually a lot of my views would be quite left wing for example I support free healthcare and education, I am against the privatisation of state assets and I have an intense dislike of international finace capitalism and globalism.

But I am tarred with the far right brush as firstly I want to feel safe in my country, want to preserve the nations culture, traditions and identity, don't want to be taken for a ride by con artists and I am against a race to the bottom caused by cheap immigrant labour.

In fact I would actually regard it as quite a left wing stance to be anti immigration which causes a race to the bottom due to cheap labour. Immigrants are willing to work for less, often don't have a family in the country to support or much of a social network so are more flexible to work longer hours. This means less money for hard pressed Irish families.

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:17am

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

There's no bias against the right wing. There's an objection to narcissistic, sociopathic behaviour which is what the likes of Trump and Farage exemplify.

We already have a political party on the island that espouses Trumpian views, the Farage outlook on the world, and 'patriotism': they are the DUP, a party steeped in flag-waving and bluster, coupled with utter disregard for the rights of those they disagree with.

Why anyone would desire a green-hued version of this is beyond me.

I find using the DUP as a moral compass to be quite useful: essentially take whatever direction that is the opposite of the one they recommend. More often than not it tends to point one on to the more noble path.

The DUP are part of the UK so dont worry your little head.

Show me some evidence regarding Trump, instead of spouting the usual predictable, meaningless 'isms'.

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:22am

zimmermania wrote: »

How is it clear that"certain far left elements planted someone to give a nazi salute at the protest"?

YouTuber Gearoid Murphy has done an in depth analysis on it in a recent video called 'who is the nazi', to any sane, logical person the overwhelming evidence is there that this guy was a plant. It has clearly been orchestrated by far left elements.

I cant copy and paste the vid for some reason, your gonna have to look it up.

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:24am

Stephen15 wrote: »

It's not about right or left with me it's a simple case of right or wrong. I would be considered by certain on here to be far right because of my anti immigration views but actually a lot of my views would be quite left wing for example I support free healthcare and education, I am against the privatisation of state assets and I have an intense dislike of international finace capitalism and globalism.

But I am tarred with the far right brush as firstly I want to feel safe in my country, want to preserve the nations culture, traditions and identity, don't want to be taken for a ride by con artists and I am against a race to the bottom caused by cheap immigrant labour.

In fact I would actually regard it as quite a left wing stance to be anti immigration which causes a race to the bottom due to cheap labour. Immigrants are willing to work for less, often don't have a family in the country to support or much of a social network so are more flexible to work longer hours. This means less money for hard pressed Irish families.

You articulate my views quite well. I'd add that I'm very liberal on fright policies too. I believe certain recreational drugs can be very beneficial.

rossie1977 · 18-08-2019 1:29am

*If you are obsessed with nationalism..you are not a moderate
*If you have distain for human rights.. you are not a moderate
*If you use a segment of society as public enemies and use said enemies as a unifying cause.. you are not a moderate
*If you believe in supremacy of the military.. you are not a moderate
*If you engage in rampant sexism..you are not a moderate
*If you try and control mass media that disagree with you.. you are not a moderate
*If you have an obsession with national security.. you are not a moderate
*If you believe religion and government should be intertwined.. you are not a moderate
*If you belive corporate power should be protected at all costs while labour power should be suppressed.. you are not a moderate
*If you have distain for the arts and intellectuals in science.. you are not a moderate
*If you are obsessed with crime and punishment.. you are not a moderate
*If you engage in rampant cronyism and corruption.. you are not a moderate

Blueshoe · 18-08-2019 1:30am

Stephen15 wrote: »

It's not about right or left with me it's a simple case of right or wrong. I would be considered by certain on here to be far right because of my anti immigration views but actually a lot of my views would be quite left wing for example I support free healthcare and education, I am against the privatisation of state assets and I have an intense dislike of international finace capitalism and globalism.

But I am tarred with the far right brush as firstly I want to feel safe in my country, want to preserve the nations culture, traditions and identity, don't want to be taken for a ride by con artists and I am against a race to the bottom caused by cheap immigrant labour.

In fact I would actually regard it as quite a left wing stance to be anti immigration which causes a race to the bottom due to cheap labour. Immigrants are willing to work for less, often don't have a family in the country to support or much of a social network so are more flexible to work longer hours. This means less money for hard pressed Irish families.

My views would be quite similar to yours. Iv lost count of the amount of times iv been called a racist or a facist on here and other places. Iv had warnings and just came back after a 1 month ban.
I do think some on here just get on the defensive straight away and don't actually understand what they are talking about. They just go along with the narrative thats fed to them every day by the media. I won't say brainwashed. Conditioned might be a better word. It's all we hear. There is no balance.

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:36am

rossie1977 wrote: »

*If you are obsessed with nationalism..you are not a moderate
*If you have distain for human rights.. you are not a moderate
*If you use a segment of society as public enemies and use said enemies as a unifying cause.. you are not a moderate
*If you believe in supremacy of the military.. you are not a moderate
*If you engage in rampant sexism..you are not a moderate
*If you try and control mass media that disagree with you.. you are not a moderate
*If you have an obsession with national security.. you are not a moderate
*If you believe religion and government should be intertwined.. you are not a moderate
*If you belive corporate power should be protected at all costs while labour power should be suppressed.. you are not a moderate
*If you have distain for the arts and intellectuals in science.. you are not a moderate
*If you are obsessed with crime and punishment.. you are not a moderate
*If you engage in rampant cronyism and corruption.. you are not a moderate

Well I guess based on that, I'm a moderate indeed.

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:40am

Blueshoe wrote: »

My views would be quite similar to yours. Iv lost count of the amount of times iv been called a racist or a facist on here and other places. Iv had warnings and just came back after a 1 month ban.
I do think some on here just get on the defensive straight away and don't actually understand what they are talking about. They just go along with the narrative thats fed to them every day by the media. I won't say brainwashed. Conditioned might be a better word. It's all we hear. There is no balance.

I agree, same as you. All these looneys can do is smear with meaningless words. In fact they are doing the government's work for them, and are weak and cannot think for themselves.

I've lived iand worked n Latvia, and Malaysia in recent years. Both a breath of fresh air. I noticed that in the west hedonism is our new religion. However in so called backward countries they appear to be more in tune with nature socially, as they haven't been infected with Marxism.

kowloon · 18-08-2019 1:44am

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There's a perception in the media/social media that the right is bad only if your consuming left wing media in the news or your in a social media space where thought and speech are monitored and controlled like Twitter, Boards, Facebook etc. It's fascism disguised as libertarianism. I'm glad to be anywhere right of the current left.

Isn't that quite a large generalisation right there?

The Left-Right spectrum is BS, and always will be, but there are people who see themselves as left-libertarian and as right-libertarians.

Blueshoe · 18-08-2019 1:44am

lufties wrote: »

I agree, same as you. All these looneys can do is smear with meaningless words. In fact they are doing the government's work for them, and are weak and cannot think for themselves.

I've lived iand worked n Latvia, and Malaysia in recent years. Both a breath of fresh air. I noticed that in the west hedonism is our new religion. However in so called backward countries they appear to be more in tune with nature socially, as they haven't been infected with Marxism.

One thing I do know is that when some people see this tomorrow this thread is going to turn into a shït show. The usual posters will be along to call us Hitler.

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:46am

Blueshoe wrote: »

One thing I do know is that when some people see this tomorrow this thread is going to turn into a shït show. The usual posters will be along to call us Hitler.

Yep, I'll probably get warned/banned etc. This new left ideology does worry me. Its turning our society sick. People are not being treated fairly. The green counsellor Hazel Chu was condemning 'nazi' salutes on RTE recently, another strategy to condition the sleeping masses. In reality it's a false narrative people are being fed to quell dissent. There was no genuine nazi salutes, but only an orchestrated one by a scum element in the hard left. I know their names, but I wont say as I'll get banned.

The debunking is on YouTube for all to see. Look at gearoid Murphy's channel, a very decent, rational guy.

Yer Da sells Avon · 18-08-2019 1:52am

lufties wrote: »

Straight away you try to slander and ridicule. I've obviously triggered you. They are moderate. Both are Patriots putting their own above all else. Far right is being openly racist, or hating homosexuals.

Before you predictably go 'But they racist", show me evidence of such.

'Triggered' - why do I get the feeling that before the night's out, somebody is going to call me a 'cuck'?

If you think Farage and Trump are 'moderate', then I'm afraid your view is warped. They certainly appeal to racists and the sort of imbeciles who think that patriotism is about keeping others out, but I'd be inclined to view them as cynical opportunists above all else. A pair of snake-oil salesmen who saw a gap in the political market.

lufties · 18-08-2019 1:54am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

'Triggered' - why do I get the feeling that before the night's out, somebody is going to call me a 'cuck'?

If you think Farage and Trump are 'moderate', then I'm afraid your view is warped. They certainly appeal to racists and the sort of imbeciles who think that patriotism is about keeping others out, but I'd be inclined to view them as cynical opportunists above all else. A pair of snake-oil salesmen who saw a gap in the political market.

That's your opinion and your entitled to it. However let's deal with facts. Show me evidence of their far right policies, instead of calling me names like in the playground. It appears to me that the new left just name call to shut down debate, people are wise to it now though thankfully.

Blueshoe · 18-08-2019 1:59am

lufties wrote: »

Yep, I'll probably get warned/banned etc. This new left ideology does worry me. Its turning our society sick. People are not being treated fairly. The green counsellor Hazel Chu was condemning 'nazi' salutes on RTE recently, another strategy to condition the sleeping masses. In reality it's a false narrative people are being fed to quell dissent. There was no genuine nazi salutes, but only an orchestrated one by a scum element in the hard left. I know their names, but I wont say as I'll get banned.

The debunking is on YouTube for all to see. Look at gearoid Murphy's channel, a very decent, rational guy.

I know who they are too. The vast vast majority of people don't know anything about them but get their news from rte so they will have heard that people were making Nazi salutes in Dublin. Doesn't sound good.

Crazy that this chap hasn't been identified by either group. It would put this to bed.
Obviously one side knows who he is and isn't saying anything.
Looks like a plant to me

rossie1977 · 18-08-2019 2:01am

lufties wrote: »

Well I guess based on that, I'm a moderate indeed.

You said Trump is a moderate, based on that list he clearly isn't.

Also far right isn't defined by hating homosexuals or being racist. It's much broader than that.

lufties · 18-08-2019 2:07am

rossie1977 wrote: »

You said Trump is a moderate, based on that list he clearly isn't.

Also far right isn't defined by hating homosexuals or being racist. It's much broader than that.

Show me evidence to the contrary. He is a patriot who loves his country and wants to keep illegals out.

Hitler was obsessed with nationalism, President Trump is not.

lufties · 18-08-2019 2:09am

Blueshoe wrote: »

I know who they are too. The vast vast majority of people don't know anything about them but get their news from rte so they will have heard that people were making Nazi salutes in Dublin. Doesn't sound good.

Crazy that this chap hasn't been identified by either group. It would put this to bed.
Obviously one side knows who he is and isn't saying anything.
Looks like a plant to me

Do me a favour and watch gearoids video, its brilliant.

Yes, I agree. Most folk still follow RTE like it's a credible source of info.

The nazi salute guy was prob draughted in from England apparently the left did the same when Lauren southern was in Ireland.

Blueshoe · 18-08-2019 2:16am

lufties wrote: »

Do me a favour and watch gearoids video, its brilliant.

Yes, I agree. Most folk still follow RTE like it's a credible source of info.

The nazi salute guy was prob draughted in from England apparently the left did the same when Lauren southern was in Ireland.

Iv watched a video made up of clips of the day. How the photographer moved him into position , took the photo and off he went.

ILoveYourVibes · 18-08-2019 2:17am

lufties wrote: »

I actually think the opposite, I like Trump and Farage.

Then you wouldn't be considered moderately right wing but far right wing.

There is still a moderate middle ground in Ireland. I think I would consider myself part of that group.

I think both extremes of right and left are damaging. I would consider Trump extreme. I would also consider Corbyn or Cortez extreme. I wouldn't consider any out of the three of them suitable for leadership.

I find people on the left or the right both think my position is bad.

Extremism is the enemy in my view.

rossie1977 · 18-08-2019 2:27am

lufties wrote: »

Show me evidence to the contrary. He is a patriot who loves his country and wants to keep illegals out.

Hitler was obsessed with nationalism, President Trump is not.

Hitler was a maniac. Not being a total genocidal lunatic doesn't mean you are automatically a moderate.

Trump has used immigrants and muslims, made them enemy of America and unified a cause around them. He even used American born women of Hispanic and Muslim decent the other week in an attempt to portray them as enemies of America.

He is obsessed with national security ie build a wall, ban muslims from entering, sending army to border.

He is obsessed with crime and punishment including wanting death penalty in non death penalty state for central park 5 and telling police not to go easy on suspects. This despite the fact the us police are already extremely heavy handed even on young kids you shoplift a $1 toy and us has the highest prison population on the planet per capita.

Has Trump tried to control the narrative of the mass media? Has he continually called all non positive news stories about him fake..yes or no

Trump gave massive tax cuts to corporations and top 1% even though are richer than any time in history thus ensuring corporate power is stronger than any time in US history next decade.

Does Trump have distain for Hollywood, scientists who deal in climate issues. Has he not been slashing scientific advisory committees.

Has he not employed his daughter and son in law in high ranking positions and being sued for multiple forms of corruption.

fash · 18-08-2019 4:00am

lufties wrote: »

They all hate Trump, populism, Farage etc. I actually think the opposite, I like Trump and Farage...

I certainly admire aspects of Trump but on Trump, do you accept that he has been useless/incompetent?
That he has not "drained the swamp" - but made it worse?
That he is wrong on climate change and just pettily bad in his moves to allow the extinction of endangered animals?
That he lies most of the time and is not very bright shall we say and a narcissistic bully?
That he was very wrong in relation to Iran and at least kinda incompetent in relation to North Korea?
That his tariff war has been ineffective ( so far), badly sold to the Americans (i.e. he lied about its limited effects on them) and damaging to US long term interests and will bring forward a recession?
That he has further degraded American democracy and institutions?
That he and his family are nepotistic and kinda corrupt?

On Farage, again he has some admirable qualities as a politician but do you agree that he mostly lies? That he has shady dealings with and funding from foreign actors? That mostly what he did in the EU parliament is for show / YouTube clips - lowest attendance aside from Brian Crowley, almost never showed up at fisheries committee (his role) - despite claiming to care about fishermen.

lufties · 18-08-2019 5:45am

Blueshoe wrote: »

I know who they are too. The vast vast majority of people don't know anything about them but get their news from rte so they will have heard that people were making Nazi salutes in Dublin. Doesn't sound good.

Crazy that this chap hasn't been identified by either group. It would put this to bed.
Obviously one side knows who he is and isn't saying anything.
Looks like a plant to me

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state. Trump is very admirable imo, does what he promised. Ok he's not perfect, but who is. Hopefully there will be a rise of logic and common sense in the west once patriotism catches on.

weisses · 18-08-2019 6:40am

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed,.

You started this thread so I have to agree with you there

VinLieger · 18-08-2019 6:42am

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state.

Now whose slandering and ridiculing people..... Projecting much?

This thread is a joke though, you just want to have people agree with you and say your right so you can get validation for your views, you dont want to actually discuss amything

nthclare · 18-08-2019 7:18am

Left and right you're all different sides of the same arse.

Then you've the knobs claiming to be moderate in the middle....

sydthebeat · 18-08-2019 7:25am

If you go far enough right and far enough left it brings you to the same place

johnnyskeleton · 18-08-2019 7:41am

lufties wrote: »

The DUP are part of the UK so dont worry your little head.

Show me some evidence regarding Trump, instead of spouting the usual predictable, meaningless 'isms'.

Mod note:

Please read the charter. Patronising comments are hardly serious debate. If the only purpose of this thread is to attack other posters I will close it

lufties wrote:

Yep, I'll probably get warned/banned etc.

Saying this in advance is not a get out of jail card. If you breach the charter then expect to be called up on it

Rowley Birkin QC · 18-08-2019 7:41am

If we for a moment forget about the Nazi salute, how do you justify the remarks that lead to Councillor Chu being at the counter protest in the first place?

i.e. being referred to as "that migrant" despite having been born here in Ireland.

I've walked past the protest outside Google every evening for the last few weeks mostly for the entertainment factor of watching someone simultaneously ask for the reinstatement of a channel on a Google platform and also the end of Google.

Also, if anyone here is a paid shill can you please let me know where I can collect my €€€ please and thanks?

Rowley Birkin QC · 18-08-2019 8:00am

lufties wrote: »

Do me a favour and watch gearoids video, its brilliant.

https://youtu.be/WrxxGId5fjY

Skip to 33:12. He says that a woman who is giving a straight arm salute is "sweet as pie" and it's the people who are sharing pictures of her are wrong. Takes away from the brilliance a little?

"Just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening"

Popeleo · 18-08-2019 8:22am

Why do so many people use US politics as an example? I understand the US dominance of the English language internet but they are an outlier and their system of governance is so different to ours.

In European terms, modern Democrats would be seen as centre- right and the Republicans would be way right of them. In 2016, Bernie Sanders was being labelled as a Communist but his policies would be middle of the road over here.

Sir Guy who smiles · 18-08-2019 9:36am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

'Triggered' - why do I get the feeling that before the night's out, somebody is going to call me a 'cuck'?

If you think Farage and Trump are 'moderate', then I'm afraid your view is warped. They certainly appeal to racists and the sort of imbeciles who think that patriotism is about keeping others out, but I'd be inclined to view them as cynical opportunists above all else. A pair of snake-oil salesmen who saw a gap in the political market.

Or a "libtard" 😉

Agree with you on Farage, just estimate how much he's been paid from EU coffers over the years, and he tried to become an MEP again lately!

Trump is more of a loose cannon IMO, cosseted by wealth and privilege all his life, his driving force is self-glorification more than anything else. Michael Wolff has many critics over loose playing with facts, but the picture of Trump he paints in "Fire and Fury" goes along way to explain his publc performance, little contradictions included.

Tell me how · 18-08-2019 9:37am

Because time after time, (certainly in here), right wingers use the argument that they're concerned about certain things when really what they mean is they are fearful of any thing that might impact their view of how the world should be or how they live their life.

Women's rights = oh that must mean less men's rights
Social welfare = oh I'll have to pay more tax
Climate = oh I'll have to get the bus.
Equal opportunities = oh I might not fall in to a job
Women's sports = way worse than men's, shouldn't be entertained
Trans rights = I don't understand it, therefore I don't like it.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

They talk about the 'liberal media' ignoring the fact that many media empires are controlled by very conservative individuals, Rupert Murdoch, DOB etc (Koch brothers moving in that direction) or that the narrative from many media outlets is pro-conservative, Daily Mail, The Sun, Express, Facebook (yes I'm including them), Fox News etc.

The main reason I don't generally agree with anyone who identifies as 'right wing'?
Because they are inherently selfish to the core and in a world where we are all sharing the planet for a short amount of time, that is not for the betterment of this or future societies.

Plenty left wing and centre need their ar*es kicked as well but the majority are more practical and considerate of others views on business etc whereas most (there are some outliers) on the right are identifiable as just not caring about the wider society while pontificating that they do, Farage and his 'standing up for the common man' comments or Trump and his 'drain the swamp' narrative as examples.

18-08-2019 9:38am

lufties wrote: »

My values are based on meritocracy and working hard to achieve. I dont buy into identity politics as I feel it feeds a beast of divide and conquer. I feel everyone should have the same rights and not he prejudiced on colour, race or creed. However, I do believe in the truth and we should not sacrifice truth on the alter of political correctness.

So, you support people that are transgender, for instance? For that is unequivocally, their truth.

lufties wrote: »

I do not have extreme views, but we dont have a fair and just society as it stands. Recently, at the protests at Google HQ, it is clear that certain far left elements planted someone to give a nazi salute at the protest. It then got air coverage from Ryan Tubridy, who couldn't even be bothered researching, and just spouted the usual nonsense. This really bothers me, as there is clearly a bias against people with conservative views.

Has that fella not been revealed yet?

WHY would someone be a plant in something like that, doing a Nazi salute, when everyone can be tracked down pretty easy. There's multiple videos of him there throughout the demo. You clearly have a bias against Nazis, which is a good thing, but you should probably compare beliefs and policies in the nationalist socialist party and the right wing today and see that they're not that much different.

JaCrispy · 18-08-2019 9:41am

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Mod note:
Please read the charter. Patronising comments are hardly serious debate. If the only purpose of this thread is to attack other posters I will close it

Saying this in advance is not a get out of jail card. If you breach the charter then expect to be called up on it

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Are they, in your warped view, 'moderate'?

The moderating of comments that only disagree with the moderators personal and political viewpoints is rampant all across boards. Example above.

Fair to say that Johnny Boy is one of the sheep. :rolleyes:

johnnyskeleton · 18-08-2019 10:01am

JaCrispy wrote: »

The moderating of comments that only disagree with the moderators personal and political viewpoints is rampant all across boards. Example above.

Fair to say that Johnny Boy is one of the sheep. :rolleyes:

Mod note:

You can discuss moderation in feedback if you so wish.

The Phantom Jipper · 18-08-2019 10:09am

People always have an incentive to portray their political opponents as being outside the mainstream. I follow American politics quite closely and there is an absurd tendency in the Democrat primary to describe Biden, Delaney and Klobuchar etc as "moderates" or "centrists", and Warren and Sanders as far left. The labelling you complain about is common and affects people all over the political spectrum, and is more often in my view employed against those who aren't right wing.

Jimbob1977 · 18-08-2019 10:11am

It's down to atrocious historic experiences.

Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, apartheid South Africa.

Cruel regimes that brutalised their own citizens and conquered nations.

Nobody wants to return to that.

On the left, there was the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia and North Korea. Responsible for tens of millions of deaths.

Yer Da sells Avon · 18-08-2019 1:30pm

JaCrispy wrote: »

The moderating of comments that only disagree with the moderators personal and political viewpoints is rampant all across boards. Example above.

Fair to say that Johnny Boy is one of the sheep. :rolleyes:

The example you've quoted simply refers to the fact that the OP's perception of what is and isn't moderate is warped by the fact that - despite their inevitable protestations to the contrary - they are very right wing. For example, I don't view Jeremy Corbyn as being particularly radical - he just seems radical in comparison with the liberal dullards who preceded him. His manifesto is full of bog-standard social democratic ideas. You could argue that my perception is warped by the fact that I hold very left wing views, and while you'd be wrong, you wouldn't be personally attacking me.

osarusan · 18-08-2019 1:41pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Now whose slandering and ridiculing people..... Projecting much?

This thread is a joke though, you just want to have people agree with you and say your right so you can get validation for your views, you dont want to actually discuss amything

Boards is full of people who lament the lack of honest intelligent debate, but actually have no inclination for it themselves.

lufties · 18-08-2019 2:09pm

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

https://youtu.be/WrxxGId5fjY

Skip to 33:12. He says that a woman who is giving a straight arm salute is "sweet as pie" and it's the people who are sharing pictures of her are wrong. Takes away from the brilliance a little?

"Just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening"

Do you honestly think that's a nazi salute? It's clearly not. You miss the point of what gearoid said.

lufties · 18-08-2019 2:19pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Because time after time, (certainly in here), right wingers use the argument that they're concerned about certain things when really what they mean is they are fearful of any thing that might impact their view of how the world should be or how they live their life.

Women's rights = oh that must mean less men's rights
Social welfare = oh I'll have to pay more tax
Climate = oh I'll have to get the bus.
Equal opportunities = oh I might not fall in to a job
Women's sports = way worse than men's, shouldn't be entertained
Trans rights = I don't understand it, therefore I don't like it.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

They talk about the 'liberal media' ignoring the fact that many media empires are controlled by very conservative individuals, Rupert Murdoch, DOB etc (Koch brothers moving in that direction) or that the narrative from many media outlets is pro-conservative, Daily Mail, The Sun, Express, Facebook (yes I'm including them), Fox News etc.

The main reason I don't generally agree with anyone who identifies as 'right wing'?
Because they are inherently selfish to the core and in a world where we are all sharing the planet for a short amount of time, that is not for the betterment of this or future societies.

Plenty left wing and centre need their ar*es kicked as well but the majority are more practical and considerate of others views on business etc whereas most (there are some outliers) on the right are identifiable as just not caring about the wider society while pontificating that they do, Farage and his 'standing up for the common man' comments or Trump and his 'drain the swamp' narrative as examples.

Well most so called right wingers I know are against mass unfiltered immigration, while their own people are homeless on the street. Also, its nothing about being selfish, I'd argue the left are selfish as they are obsessed with looking virtuous (an insecure way to live imo). Many so called right wingers say that nature is being tampered with via social engineering. Humans are also tribal, and having lived in multicultural London just made me feel like an alien living amongst a culture so different to my own. Humans generally like to be around people who share similar ideas and values as it gives a level of social trust.

Why is being Right wing considered bad?

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