Why is being Right wing considered bad?

lufties · 18-08-2019 05:45AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I know who they are too. The vast vast majority of people don't know anything about them but get their news from rte so they will have heard that people were making Nazi salutes in Dublin. Doesn't sound good.

Crazy that this chap hasn't been identified by either group. It would put this to bed.
Obviously one side knows who he is and isn't saying anything.
Looks like a plant to me

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state. Trump is very admirable imo, does what he promised. Ok he's not perfect, but who is. Hopefully there will be a rise of logic and common sense in the west once patriotism catches on.

weisses · 18-08-2019 06:40AM

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed,.

You started this thread so I have to agree with you there

VinLieger · 18-08-2019 06:42AM

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state.

Now whose slandering and ridiculing people..... Projecting much?

This thread is a joke though, you just want to have people agree with you and say your right so you can get validation for your views, you dont want to actually discuss amything

nthclare · 18-08-2019 07:18AM

Left and right you're all different sides of the same arse.

Then you've the knobs claiming to be moderate in the middle....

sydthebeat · 18-08-2019 07:25AM

If you go far enough right and far enough left it brings you to the same place

johnnyskeleton · 18-08-2019 07:41AM

lufties wrote: »

The DUP are part of the UK so dont worry your little head.

Show me some evidence regarding Trump, instead of spouting the usual predictable, meaningless 'isms'.

Mod note:

Please read the charter. Patronising comments are hardly serious debate. If the only purpose of this thread is to attack other posters I will close it

lufties wrote:

Yep, I'll probably get warned/banned etc.

Saying this in advance is not a get out of jail card. If you breach the charter then expect to be called up on it

Rowley Birkin QC · 18-08-2019 07:41AM

If we for a moment forget about the Nazi salute, how do you justify the remarks that lead to Councillor Chu being at the counter protest in the first place?

i.e. being referred to as "that migrant" despite having been born here in Ireland.

I've walked past the protest outside Google every evening for the last few weeks mostly for the entertainment factor of watching someone simultaneously ask for the reinstatement of a channel on a Google platform and also the end of Google.

Also, if anyone here is a paid shill can you please let me know where I can collect my €€€ please and thanks?

Rowley Birkin QC · 18-08-2019 08:00AM

lufties wrote: »

Do me a favour and watch gearoids video, its brilliant.

https://youtu.be/WrxxGId5fjY

Skip to 33:12. He says that a woman who is giving a straight arm salute is "sweet as pie" and it's the people who are sharing pictures of her are wrong. Takes away from the brilliance a little?

"Just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening"

Popeleo · 18-08-2019 08:22AM

Why do so many people use US politics as an example? I understand the US dominance of the English language internet but they are an outlier and their system of governance is so different to ours.

In European terms, modern Democrats would be seen as centre- right and the Republicans would be way right of them. In 2016, Bernie Sanders was being labelled as a Communist but his policies would be middle of the road over here.

Sir Guy who smiles · 18-08-2019 09:36AM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

'Triggered' - why do I get the feeling that before the night's out, somebody is going to call me a 'cuck'?

If you think Farage and Trump are 'moderate', then I'm afraid your view is warped. They certainly appeal to racists and the sort of imbeciles who think that patriotism is about keeping others out, but I'd be inclined to view them as cynical opportunists above all else. A pair of snake-oil salesmen who saw a gap in the political market.

Or a "libtard" 😉

Agree with you on Farage, just estimate how much he's been paid from EU coffers over the years, and he tried to become an MEP again lately!

Trump is more of a loose cannon IMO, cosseted by wealth and privilege all his life, his driving force is self-glorification more than anything else. Michael Wolff has many critics over loose playing with facts, but the picture of Trump he paints in "Fire and Fury" goes along way to explain his publc performance, little contradictions included.

Tell me how · 18-08-2019 09:37AM

Because time after time, (certainly in here), right wingers use the argument that they're concerned about certain things when really what they mean is they are fearful of any thing that might impact their view of how the world should be or how they live their life.

Women's rights = oh that must mean less men's rights
Social welfare = oh I'll have to pay more tax
Climate = oh I'll have to get the bus.
Equal opportunities = oh I might not fall in to a job
Women's sports = way worse than men's, shouldn't be entertained
Trans rights = I don't understand it, therefore I don't like it.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

They talk about the 'liberal media' ignoring the fact that many media empires are controlled by very conservative individuals, Rupert Murdoch, DOB etc (Koch brothers moving in that direction) or that the narrative from many media outlets is pro-conservative, Daily Mail, The Sun, Express, Facebook (yes I'm including them), Fox News etc.

The main reason I don't generally agree with anyone who identifies as 'right wing'?
Because they are inherently selfish to the core and in a world where we are all sharing the planet for a short amount of time, that is not for the betterment of this or future societies.

Plenty left wing and centre need their ar*es kicked as well but the majority are more practical and considerate of others views on business etc whereas most (there are some outliers) on the right are identifiable as just not caring about the wider society while pontificating that they do, Farage and his 'standing up for the common man' comments or Trump and his 'drain the swamp' narrative as examples.

18-08-2019 09:38AM

lufties wrote: »

My values are based on meritocracy and working hard to achieve. I dont buy into identity politics as I feel it feeds a beast of divide and conquer. I feel everyone should have the same rights and not he prejudiced on colour, race or creed. However, I do believe in the truth and we should not sacrifice truth on the alter of political correctness.

So, you support people that are transgender, for instance? For that is unequivocally, their truth.

lufties wrote: »

I do not have extreme views, but we dont have a fair and just society as it stands. Recently, at the protests at Google HQ, it is clear that certain far left elements planted someone to give a nazi salute at the protest. It then got air coverage from Ryan Tubridy, who couldn't even be bothered researching, and just spouted the usual nonsense. This really bothers me, as there is clearly a bias against people with conservative views.

Has that fella not been revealed yet?

WHY would someone be a plant in something like that, doing a Nazi salute, when everyone can be tracked down pretty easy. There's multiple videos of him there throughout the demo. You clearly have a bias against Nazis, which is a good thing, but you should probably compare beliefs and policies in the nationalist socialist party and the right wing today and see that they're not that much different.

JaCrispy · 18-08-2019 09:41AM

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Mod note:
Please read the charter. Patronising comments are hardly serious debate. If the only purpose of this thread is to attack other posters I will close it

Saying this in advance is not a get out of jail card. If you breach the charter then expect to be called up on it

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Are they, in your warped view, 'moderate'?

The moderating of comments that only disagree with the moderators personal and political viewpoints is rampant all across boards. Example above.

Fair to say that Johnny Boy is one of the sheep. :rolleyes:

johnnyskeleton · 18-08-2019 10:01AM

JaCrispy wrote: »

The moderating of comments that only disagree with the moderators personal and political viewpoints is rampant all across boards. Example above.

Fair to say that Johnny Boy is one of the sheep. :rolleyes:

Mod note:

You can discuss moderation in feedback if you so wish.

The Phantom Jipper · 18-08-2019 10:09AM

People always have an incentive to portray their political opponents as being outside the mainstream. I follow American politics quite closely and there is an absurd tendency in the Democrat primary to describe Biden, Delaney and Klobuchar etc as "moderates" or "centrists", and Warren and Sanders as far left. The labelling you complain about is common and affects people all over the political spectrum, and is more often in my view employed against those who aren't right wing.

Jimbob1977 · 18-08-2019 10:11AM

It's down to atrocious historic experiences.

Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, apartheid South Africa.

Cruel regimes that brutalised their own citizens and conquered nations.

Nobody wants to return to that.

On the left, there was the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia and North Korea. Responsible for tens of millions of deaths.

Yer Da sells Avon · 18-08-2019 01:30PM

JaCrispy wrote: »

The moderating of comments that only disagree with the moderators personal and political viewpoints is rampant all across boards. Example above.

Fair to say that Johnny Boy is one of the sheep. :rolleyes:

The example you've quoted simply refers to the fact that the OP's perception of what is and isn't moderate is warped by the fact that - despite their inevitable protestations to the contrary - they are very right wing. For example, I don't view Jeremy Corbyn as being particularly radical - he just seems radical in comparison with the liberal dullards who preceded him. His manifesto is full of bog-standard social democratic ideas. You could argue that my perception is warped by the fact that I hold very left wing views, and while you'd be wrong, you wouldn't be personally attacking me.

osarusan · 18-08-2019 01:41PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Now whose slandering and ridiculing people..... Projecting much?

This thread is a joke though, you just want to have people agree with you and say your right so you can get validation for your views, you dont want to actually discuss amything

Boards is full of people who lament the lack of honest intelligent debate, but actually have no inclination for it themselves.

lufties · 18-08-2019 02:09PM

Rowley Birkin QC wrote: »

https://youtu.be/WrxxGId5fjY

Skip to 33:12. He says that a woman who is giving a straight arm salute is "sweet as pie" and it's the people who are sharing pictures of her are wrong. Takes away from the brilliance a little?

"Just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening"

Do you honestly think that's a nazi salute? It's clearly not. You miss the point of what gearoid said.

lufties · 18-08-2019 02:19PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Because time after time, (certainly in here), right wingers use the argument that they're concerned about certain things when really what they mean is they are fearful of any thing that might impact their view of how the world should be or how they live their life.

Women's rights = oh that must mean less men's rights
Social welfare = oh I'll have to pay more tax
Climate = oh I'll have to get the bus.
Equal opportunities = oh I might not fall in to a job
Women's sports = way worse than men's, shouldn't be entertained
Trans rights = I don't understand it, therefore I don't like it.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

They talk about the 'liberal media' ignoring the fact that many media empires are controlled by very conservative individuals, Rupert Murdoch, DOB etc (Koch brothers moving in that direction) or that the narrative from many media outlets is pro-conservative, Daily Mail, The Sun, Express, Facebook (yes I'm including them), Fox News etc.

The main reason I don't generally agree with anyone who identifies as 'right wing'?
Because they are inherently selfish to the core and in a world where we are all sharing the planet for a short amount of time, that is not for the betterment of this or future societies.

Plenty left wing and centre need their ar*es kicked as well but the majority are more practical and considerate of others views on business etc whereas most (there are some outliers) on the right are identifiable as just not caring about the wider society while pontificating that they do, Farage and his 'standing up for the common man' comments or Trump and his 'drain the swamp' narrative as examples.

Well most so called right wingers I know are against mass unfiltered immigration, while their own people are homeless on the street. Also, its nothing about being selfish, I'd argue the left are selfish as they are obsessed with looking virtuous (an insecure way to live imo). Many so called right wingers say that nature is being tampered with via social engineering. Humans are also tribal, and having lived in multicultural London just made me feel like an alien living amongst a culture so different to my own. Humans generally like to be around people who share similar ideas and values as it gives a level of social trust.

lufties · 18-08-2019 02:28PM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

It's down to atrocious historic experiences.

Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, apartheid South Africa.

Cruel regimes that brutalised their own citizens and conquered nations.

Nobody wants to return to that.

On the left, there was the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia and North Korea. Responsible for tens of millions of deaths.

Communism killed more people worldwide than any other political ideology, yet people who advocate it are somehow considered compassionate and virtuous.

I reckon its because the media are biased towards the left. My own relatives who grew up in the 60s are leftists, but I reckon its because back then being left leaning was a counter culture movement. Fast forward today, and conservativism is the new counter culture, as liberalism/globalism is the dominant narrative.

Most people of a certain age are too ego invested in their ideology, that even fact and reason wont change their outlook. I used to be a 'liberal' until a few years ago, until I properly educated myself. Anyway, left/right are not the same as they were 30 years ago.

Tell me how · 18-08-2019 02:29PM

lufties wrote: »

Communism killed more people worldwide than any other political ideology, yet people who advocate it are somehow considered compassionate and virtuous.

What??

lufties · 18-08-2019 02:30PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Now whose slandering and ridiculing people..... Projecting much?

This thread is a joke though, you just want to have people agree with you and say your right so you can get validation for your views, you dont want to actually discuss amything

Well you brought me down to your level. Emotional interaction seems to be the only way to communicate with certain people on this thread.

Strazdas · 18-08-2019 02:35PM

lufties wrote: »

Well most so called right wingers I know are against mass unfiltered immigration, while their own people are homeless on the street. Also, its nothing about being selfish, I'd argue the left are selfish as they are obsessed with looking virtuous (an insecure way to live imo). Many so called right wingers say that nature is being tampered with via social engineering. Humans are also tribal, and having lived in multicultural London just made me feel like an alien living amongst a culture so different to my own. Humans generally like to be around people who share similar ideas and values as it gives a level of social trust.

The days of homogenous societies are over though. I was looking at a map that showed that virtually every country in Europe, not just the EU, has a non national population of around 10 to 15% (some higher).

Yer Da sells Avon · 18-08-2019 02:35PM

lufties wrote: »

Well you brought me down to your level. Emotional interaction seems to be the only way to communicate with certain people on this thread.

You should grow up and take some responsibility for your own poor behaviour.

Bonniedog · 18-08-2019 02:40PM

Someone made the point above that there are there is no real conservative politics in 26 counties now.

FG, FF, SF, Labour, SDs and even on most issues the "far left" would fit comfortably into the American Democratic party.

On all key issues: EU membership, corporation tax and the dominance of foreign capital, mass immigration (to facilitate capital), the madder extremes of "gender politics," abortion, crime, and so on there is scarcely any difference.

Dissenters in the three main parties on abortion have either been sidelined, silenced or expelled (Toibin.)

Such individuals have been labelled "right wing" by media even though O Cuiv would be quite left wing on economics and public ownership, and Peadar Toibin is conventionally left on such issues.

On other hand likes of Simon Harris actually well to the right on economic issues is portrayed as left of centre because he is a liberal on "social issues."

The terminology therefore as someone else said here is increasingly inaccurate.

Tell me how · 18-08-2019 02:42PM

Strazdas wrote: »

The days of homogenous societies are over though. I was looking at a map that showed that virtually every country in Europe, not just the EU, has a non national population of around 10 to 15% (some higher).

And understandably so given the ability technology has given us to travel, interact and collaborate with people outside our immediate geography.

murphaph · 18-08-2019 02:49PM

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state. Trump is very admirable imo, does what he promised. Ok he's not perfect, but who is. Hopefully there will be a rise of logic and common sense in the west once patriotism catches on.

Trump is Putin's ragdoll.

rossie1977 · 18-08-2019 02:51PM

Yes there are conservative politics in 26 counties
Fiscal conservativism:
1. in form of extremely low corporate tax rates
2. FG are continually finding ways to reduce welfare and healthcare spending

Social conservativism:
1. Our government still continue it's endless war on drugs. Many parts of supposed conservative USA has much more progressive drug policies than we do
2. FG introduced an extremely conservative prostitution law.
3. FF while in government introduced a blasphemy law

Stuff like Abortion rights and marriage only came about because of overwhelming pressure from the population at large. Had Savita Halappanavar not died tragically women in this country would still not control their own bodies.

Tell me how · 18-08-2019 02:53PM

lufties wrote: »

The lunatics on this thread really are brainwashed, or else paid shills working on behalf of the state. Trump is very admirable imo, does what he promised. Ok he's not perfect, but who is. Hopefully there will be a rise of logic and common sense in the west once patriotism catches on.

Just saw this.
Discussion over.

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Why is being Right wing considered bad?

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