Travellers Have Taken Over Carrickphierish Road...

Azatadine · 17-08-2019 1:54pm #1

The last thread on this was closed so I suppose this one will probably get closed too. However, I just have to highlight the absolute disregard with how the travellers are treating the area up there I pass through it once a week and it is steadily getting even worse with more and more filth and caravans. This afternoon they seemed to be having sulky races and no thought or regards to people driving in the road. Sulky pulled out right in front if a car almost causing a crash.

Road-Hog · 17-08-2019 3:37pm

Azatadine wrote: »

The last thread on this was closed so I suppose this one will probably get closed too. However, I just have to highlight the absolute disregard with how the travellers are treating the area up there I pass through it once a week and it is steadily getting even worse with more and more filth and caravans. This afternoon they seemed to be having sulky races and no thought or regards to people driving in the road. Sulky pulled out right in front if a car almost causing a crash.

This topic has been dealt with

Road-Hog · 17-08-2019 3:47pm

Azatadine wrote: »

The last thread on this was closed so I suppose this one will probably get closed too. However, I just have to highlight the absolute disregard with how the travellers are treating the area up there I pass through it once a week and it is steadily getting even worse with more and more filth and caravans. This afternoon they seemed to be having sulky races and no thought or regards to people driving in the road. Sulky pulled out right in front if a car almost causing a crash.

This topic has been flogged to death....will only end up being discontinued / closed down like the previous one

alta stare · 17-08-2019 5:07pm

Azatadine wrote: »

The last thread on this was closed so I suppose this one will probably get closed too. However, I just have to highlight the absolute disregard with how the travellers are treating the area up there I pass through it once a week and it is steadily getting even worse with more and more filth and caravans. This afternoon they seemed to be having sulky races and no thought or regards to people driving in the road. Sulky pulled out right in front if a car almost causing a crash.

I dont think these threads will affect things up there. Try contacting the council about it. If you have and you have got no where then im afraid your flogging a dead horse.

debok · 17-08-2019 6:56pm

alta stare wrote: »

I dont think these threads will affect things up there. Try contacting the council about it. If you have and you have got no where then im afraid your flogging a dead horse.

Speaking of flogging horses met sulky out by ballyscanlon lake today. 4 lads flying along the road.

alta stare · 17-08-2019 7:01pm

debok wrote: »

Speaking of flogging horses met sulky out by ballyscanlon lake today. 4 lads flying along the road.

Some dodgy road to be doing that on an all. Loopers.

debok · 17-08-2019 7:52pm

alta stare wrote: »

Some dodgy road to be doing that on an all. Loopers.

I don't know how they do it. I'd be shietting meself on it. One lad was only about 10. No fear

alta stare · 17-08-2019 8:59pm

debok wrote: »

I don't know how they do it. I'd be shietting meself on it. One lad was only about 10. No fear

No fear, no tax, no nct....boss

Poor horses.

Azatadine · 17-08-2019 9:10pm

The animal welfare people had one of them by the entrance to Bowefield a couple of weeks back. Poor thing was starving and all its hair was either gone due to scabs or mud rash. It had been in a field full of ragworth. The gardai were there too.

alta stare · 17-08-2019 9:19pm

Azatadine wrote: »

The animal welfare people had one of them by the entrance to Bowefield a couple of weeks back. Poor thing was starving and all its hair was either gone due to scabs or mud rash. It had been in a field full of ragworth. The gardai were there too.

Did they take it away?

Azatadine · 17-08-2019 9:28pm

alta stare wrote: »

Did they take it away?

I think so. I used to see it in that field by the traffic lights but it's been gone since then.

alta stare · 17-08-2019 9:55pm

Azatadine wrote: »

I think so. I used to see it in that field by the traffic lights but it's been gone since then.

Good. Hopefully the horse will now have a better life than what those cünts were giving it.

17-08-2019 10:18pm

Its a disgrance that travellers up on Carrickpherish Road get away with not giving a crap about societies rules. They throw their rubbish everywhere, burned out cars up there, horses that are malnourished and mistreated, caravans parked on the footpath, clotheslines hung up on trees, throwing diapers into the neighbours gardens, kids throwing stones at cars, having sulky races up and down the road and the list goes on.

Its actually got to the stage where I wont even walk on the footpath near them because its downright dangerous.

*I am not saying tarring all travellers with the same brush, I am just complaining about these particular travellers.

Azatadine · 17-08-2019 10:34pm

Agreed. It's the Carrickpherrish crowd specifically.

Deiseen · 18-08-2019 7:41am

Road-Hog wrote: »

This topic has been dealt with

Doesn't sound like it has at all by what the OP is saying

Aceso · 18-08-2019 3:12pm

There's a dog lying in the grass on the opposite side of the road to the halting site. He's white with some brown patches. He was in the exact same position, in the exact same place yesterday, presumably dead. Is there anyone l can contact about this? If the dog is dead, he deserves to finally be treated with some respect and buried.

Sonny noggs · 18-08-2019 3:18pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

This topic has been dealt with

They have (been) moved on? Or have seen the light and changed their ways?

elperello · 18-08-2019 3:20pm

Aceso wrote: »

There's a dog lying in the grass on the opposite side of the road to the halting site. He's white with some brown patches. He was in the exact same position, in the exact same place yesterday, presumably dead. Is there anyone l can contact about this? If the dog is dead, he deserves to finally be treated with some respect and buried.

Contact Local Authority.

Tilikum17 · 18-08-2019 3:21pm

Aceso wrote: »

There's a dog lying in the grass on the opposite side of the road to the halting site. He's white with some brown patches. He was in the exact same position, in the exact same place yesterday, presumably dead. Is there anyone l can contact about this? If the dog is dead, he deserves to finally be treated with some respect and buried.

Dog warden.

Azatadine · 18-08-2019 3:28pm

Sonny noggs wrote: »

They have (been) moved on? Or have seen the light and changed their ways?

Nope. They are still there and more brazen than ever. Last thread was closed because it turned into an anti traveller/traveller hugger thread but this one is about that particular group up Carrickpherrish way specifically. More of them moving in up there all the time.

debok · 01-09-2019 1:08pm

13 sulkys going together in convoy by Williamstown golf course heading in hospital direction must be something on

the culture of deference · 01-09-2019 1:14pm

why don't social servies take their children?

it is obvious they cannot take care of them

Azatadine · 01-09-2019 1:56pm

debok wrote: »

13 sulkys going together in convoy by Williamstown golf course heading in hospital direction must be something on

They give those poor horses a terrible time. Their joints must be in bits from the tarmac and then they have thus unnatural gait to cope with too.

mooseknunkle · 01-09-2019 3:51pm

debok wrote: »

13 sulkys going together in convoy by Williamstown golf course heading in hospital direction must be something on

Seen a sulky out by the Audi garage the other day heading towards the Carrickperish road with what looked like a father and young child on board,Garda car coming behind them they just indicated and overtook them heading into town!,the Guards dont care nobody cares and it will never change they do what they want will always get away with it.

Azatadine · 01-09-2019 4:14pm

Seemingly the council are trying to get Southfork removed.....they had no planning permission. The wall too.

JohnC. · 01-09-2019 4:17pm

What should the Garda car have done? You don't seem to suggest any law was being broken at the time. And the travellers will know this very well.

mooseknunkle · 01-09-2019 4:23pm

JohnC. wrote: »

What should the Garda car have done? You don't seem to suggest any law was being broken at the time. And the travellers will know this very well.

Cruelty to animals for one and a danger to traffic,then stop and check to see if the horse is chipped and has a passport if it doesn't then they are breaking the law and the horse should be seized.

This is not the 1800's horses should not be on roads with cars.

JohnC. · 01-09-2019 4:30pm

Good luck finding a law saying you can't have a horse on the road.

mooseknunkle · 01-09-2019 4:39pm

JohnC. wrote: »

Good luck finding a law saying you can't have a horse on the road.

They have them in Kilkenny.

JohnC. · 01-09-2019 4:46pm

So you're complaining that the Gardai should have pulled over a horse the other day in Waterford because there are limited horse-free zones in Kilkenny.

If you are going to go after them for things which are not illegal, they will just make a fool of you.

mooseknunkle · 01-09-2019 4:57pm

JohnC. wrote: »

So you're complaining that the Gardai should have pulled over a horse the other day in Waterford because there are limited horse-free zones in Kilkenny.

If you are going to go after them for things which are not illegal, they will just make a fool of you.

No,you said good luck in finding a law banning horses from the road,i simply pointed out that they have laws in Kilkenny banning sulkys.

Owning a horse that is not chipped or has a passport is illegal,should they not go after them for that?

Muttley79 · 01-09-2019 9:03pm

Past up that way two weeks ago.the young pups throwing stones at every car that passed and right across the road from their "compound"not even the parents care,I put down my windows and shouted out touch my van and your f**king dead.they are a complete law onto themselves

gscully · 02-09-2019 10:28am

Saw two kids around 11/12 on a sulky a few weeks ago on the ORR. They were too busy watching something on their tablet to watch the road. :rolleyes:

BBM77 · 02-09-2019 2:13pm

Don’t live around there but regularly cycle along the Carrickphierish Road. Feel sorry for the people living around there. It is just shocking the way it has gone. One time I was cycling there a horse had gotten loose. Only someone in a car coming in the other direction slowed down and warned me the horse could have ran me down. It is just not a suitable place for a halting site, it needs to be moved.

Deiseen · 02-09-2019 2:14pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Don’t live around there but regularly cycle along the Carrickphierish Road. Feel sorry for the people living around there. It is just shocking the way it has gone. One time I was cycling there a horse had gotten loose. Only someone in a car coming in the other direction slowed down and warned me the horse could have ran me down. It is just not a suitable place for a halting site.

Its a perfectly acceptable place as long as the residents obey the law. Which they don't.

BBM77 · 02-09-2019 3:47pm

Deiseen wrote: »

Its a perfectly acceptable place as long as the residents obey the law. Which they don't.

Completely disagree with you, it is not an acceptable place. The fact of the matter is these people don’t obey the law and live a lifestyle that is disruptive to people in the surrounding area. And frankly most people find very intimidating.

Deiseen · 02-09-2019 3:49pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Completely disagree with you, it is not an acceptable place. The fact of the matter is these people don’t obey the law and live a lifestyle that is disruptive to people in the surrounding area. And frankly most people find very intimidating.

I know, I'm just saying that if travellers obeyed the law and didn't cause so much trouble then people wouldn't mind having a halting site near to them.

The fact is they bring all sorts of trouble wherever they go.

hardybuck · 02-09-2019 5:34pm

The overarching debate here really - traveller culture is becoming more and more incompatible with modern Irish culture.

Their living conditions are invariably awful. However, travellers will probably complain that the facilities they want and need aren't there. But its a nearly impossible task to provide facilities for nomadic people - because they're nomadic. You'd nearly have to have loads of potential sites free dotted around the country in the prospect that families might want to use them from time to time.

Ditto for education and ill health that are issues in the community. How can you properly educate a kid or young adult if you're moving around all the time?

How can you build a relationship with your local health services if you're also moving around?

While I'm sure they face discrimination in the employment market - again any person lacking in education or who doesn't have a fixed address is going to struggle to find work.

Decades ago the gap was smaller as there was more work for them in tinkering and other trades. Education was less of a barrier as many people never finished school.

From listening to older relatives crime seemed to be less of an issue - but things seem to be getting worse and worse now and you're wondering where does it end.

I personally wouldn't like to swap places with them in the morning as they seem to have a difficult life - but many of the problems lay squarely at their own door too.

Azatadine · 02-09-2019 6:00pm

This thread is about the group up in Carrickpherrish rather than travellers in general. The group up there are filthy and they intimidate people who pass by. No sense in the state of the place at all.

hardybuck · 02-09-2019 6:02pm

Azatadine wrote: »

This thread is about the group up in Carrickpherrish rather than travellers in general. The group up there are filthy and they intimidate people who pass by. No sense in the state of the place at all.

You're probably right, but the more general issues are probably contributing to the current situation on that road.

rekdtangle · 03-09-2019 12:35pm

Living in Mount Suir myself, sick of them. Numerous times have found them in the back garden, usual excuse is they are looking for their dog that's missing. Last week when I was trying to reverse out of the driveway they were lying down on the footpath so I couldn't get out, wouldn't move either.

Azatadine · 03-09-2019 1:01pm

They are lawless. They really dont care. That road is their playground.

spankmemunkey · 03-09-2019 4:02pm

Can i just ask a question?

I very nearly had the side of my car hit by 2 CHILDREN on a horse and cart coming to a roundabout, 6 cross roads

What happens insurance wise if my car is damaged by one of these carts on a major road, I'm pretty sure they aren't taxed or insured?? So it would be me who has to foot he bill??

How is that fair not to mention Legal??

gscully · 03-09-2019 5:10pm

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Can i just ask a question?

I very nearly had the side of my car hit by 2 CHILDREN on a horse and cart coming to a roundabout, 6 cross roads

What happens insurance wise if my car is damaged by one of these carts on a major road, I'm pretty sure they aren't taxed or insured?? So it would be me who has to foot he bill??

How is that fair not to mention Legal??

https://www.mibi.ie/making-a-claim/test.1752.html

Odelay · 03-09-2019 5:15pm

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Can i just ask a question?

I very nearly had the side of my car hit by 2 CHILDREN on a horse and cart coming to a roundabout, 6 cross roads

What happens insurance wise if my car is damaged by one of these carts on a major road, I'm pretty sure they aren't taxed or insured?? So it would be me who has to foot he bill??

How is that fair not to mention Legal??

If you leave your car with them, they will fix it so good you won’t even be able to see where the damage was. It will be as if the damage simply desolated away.
Very talented with their hands they are.

Johnboy1951 · 03-09-2019 5:44pm

gscully wrote: »

https://www.mibi.ie/making-a-claim/test.1752.html

Where do MBI get the funds from?

Insured drivers!

spankmemunkey · 03-09-2019 5:51pm

Odelay wrote: »

If you leave your car with them, they will fix it so good you won’t even be able to see where the damage was. It will be as if the damage simply desolated away.
Very talented with their hands they are.

How come i have to pay tax on my vehicle and have insurance oh and an NCT and a valid Licence and they get to use the road with a horse and trailer and not have to have any of these things?? that makes me sick, that's so unfair

That's surely a sign of one law for one section of society and one for another??

washman3 · 03-09-2019 6:49pm

spankmemunkey wrote: »

How come i have to pay tax on my vehicle and have insurance oh and an NCT and a valid Licence and they get to use the road with a horse and trailer and not have to have any of these things?? that makes me sick, that's so unfair

Probably cos you are racist..!!!

spankmemunkey · 04-09-2019 12:01pm

washman3 wrote: »

Probably cos you are racist..!!!

Well Its comments like that are really stupid, I'm pointing out what i perceive
as an unfair society, my car gets damaged by someone on the road who is in charge of a vehicle without tax insurance or licence and you call me a racist.

I was merely asking how is that fair, If i was told that i didn't need tax NCT insurance and driving licence to drive a vehicle on the road and the people who were on the horse and cart were told they need all of the above to use a vehicle on the road do you not think they would be asking how is that fair??

spankmemunkey · 04-09-2019 12:37pm

Actually to call me racist because I've questioned

2 Minors in control of a Horse, sitting on a steel structure with wheels and their ability to be in control of that vehicle (licence and training) to insure the safety of other road users and in the event of a crash that they are able to provide proof of insurance if they have been in the wrong in the event of an accident is perfectly reasonable and to jump to call me racist means you haven't got a reasonable answer to a reasonable question.

I've called the RSA and couldn't get through for love nor racism

04-09-2019 1:43pm

hardybuck wrote: »

The overarching debate here really - traveller culture is becoming more and more incompatible with modern Irish culture.

Their living conditions are invariably awful. However, travellers will probably complain that the facilities they want and need aren't there. But its a nearly impossible task to provide facilities for nomadic people - because they're nomadic. You'd nearly have to have loads of potential sites free dotted around the country in the prospect that families might want to use them from time to time.

Ditto for education and ill health that are issues in the community. How can you properly educate a kid or young adult if you're moving around all the time?

How can you build a relationship with your local health services if you're also moving around?.

It can be done, if they wanted it enough.
We grew up on funfairs. And my father before that. And his father before that. And his mother before that.
We're all educated.
Good health.
We were enrolled in schools in every town we visited.

Travellers Have Taken Over Carrickphierish Road...

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