Travellers Have Taken Over Carrickphierish Road...

Johnboy1951

elperello wrote: »

Now with those three posts I hope you have got it off your chest and you have calmed down.

I repeat the only way to make progress is to report each and every incident to AGS. Make a statement and get a PULSE number.
The incident then becomes a statistical reality.

The next step is to contact local representatives, TDs etc and get them to put pressure on to get action.

There are no easy answers.

I wondered if dashcam footage would be acceptable to the authorities ..... maybe even make it public and force some open discussion about such incidences?

Kristopherus

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Why so

Because your last few posts have been absolute rubbish.

Azatadine

I see the land opposite the Gaeilscoil is being cleared off. Wonder what's going in there.

A lot of people living in cloud cuckoo land.. Call the guards on tinkers?

Effin joke and a waste of time.

A person would have as much chance of having their own ass hauled in (would be a result for the so-called Guardians of the Peace) if the Gardaí deigned to call out behind a legitimate complaint, as they would in getting any justice. :mad:

Anyone who thinks otherwise is either deluded/ getting paid (in the legal system, employed by an NGO etc) or as they say "well got" ie someone important who's been a victim of these feral inbred scum.

One can only hope that a hard rain's a gonna fall on all these scum and their enablers. :pac::pac::pac:

Jump through hoops to get justice: make a formal complaint - bs, demand a pulse number - more bs. What a CROCK!!

An ordinary joe soap would have to do a lot less than these feral inbreds to see the inside of a courtroom.. Low hanging fruit and all of that..

If that hard rain does fall I hope i'm there to see it.

I'm thinking of a few Law Abiding Citizen types.. But the deluded and the do-gooder would consider these saviours to be worse than the scum

"Undermining the Justice system" they would spout. There aint no justice system when it comes to the feral inbred parasites because the system in the main ignores them.. Too much rich and influential benefitting from their activities.. Meanwhile tens - maybe hundreds of thousands having to suffer these cvnts through intimidation/assault/robbery/vandalism on the daily.
But the do-gooder doesn't give a toss about them :mad:

TheBoyConor

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Cruelty to animals for one and a danger to traffic,then stop and check to see if the horse is chipped and has a passport if it doesn't then they are breaking the law and the horse should be seized.

That is all well and good in theory, but what are the Gardai going to do with a seized horse? All the pounds are underfunded, over capacity and cannot handle what they have as it is, not to mind rounding loads of seized horses that will only be abandoned.

And as for the horse not having a passport or a chip, - well there is a very easy defence to being accused of breaking that law!...."sure that not my horse at all boss, I was only trotting it for a feen".
Again, just another example of how a law made with good intentions fails miserably because it just does not work in practice in the real world of wide boys and cute hurrs who have an answer for everything.

Same goes for the Gardai seizing cars for different reasons, or the NCT impounding cars that have serious safety failures - what are they going to do with hundred of seized and subsequently abondoned cars. It will cost a furtune and consume already scarce resources and be an all round hassle for no great benefit.

This is not the 1800's horses should not be on roads with cars.

Not only is this NOT illegal, but it is amply provided for in the law. Read the Rules of the Road - there are many references to horses being lawfully on the road. There is nothing wrong with it when it is done properly, even with a sulky behind. The problem is the inappropriate and dangerous instances of it that often occur within the traveler community.

Johnboy1951

That is all well and good in theory, but what are the Gardai going to do with a seized horse?

Send them to the knackers ...... recycle!

Same goes for the Gardai seizing cars for different reasons,

Send them to the breakers ...... recycle.

Start with those that have been impounded the longest (more than a month) and if the items have more value in reuse sell them rather than recycle.

TheBoyConor

All going to cost more money again though. That is the problem.

And sure any car worth anything would be taken out and repaired. The NCT/gardai would be left with all the aul abandoned wrecks that, again, will cost money to dispose of .

Harry Palmr

Deleted User wrote: »

I was driving out the Carrickphierish Road tonight about 7pm and 3 little sh!ts outside the halting threw big stones at my little car

Not to distract from what happened but given the place is a kip why take that road at all? I'd be nowhere near it esp after dark and there is an alternative route albeit more time consuming.

Azatadine

And funnily enough, almost all of the councillors voted to expand the halting site .....

Gaspode

The sort of ranting bigotry shown by some here is just not on, regardless of how frustrating this situation/behaviour is. Try to make your point without name-calling or sweeping generalisations.

Harry Palmr

They probably decided to expand "a ghetto" and keep the trouble in one place rather than annoy more people by suggesting a new site in a different location.

bluess99

Azatadine wrote: »

And funnily enough, almost all of the councillors voted to expand the halting site .....

They voted to expand by another seven bays, which will double the amount of travellers up there at the moment......

Johnboy1951

TheBoyConor wrote: »

All going to cost more money again though. That is the problem.

And sure any car worth anything would be taken out and repaired. The NCT/gardai would be left with all the aul abandoned wrecks that, again, will cost money to dispose of .

I'm not sure about the cost aspect ...... but if this is done continuously then there would be no large 'stocking' of animals or wrecks, and those 'owners' would soon get the message ...... there is not an infinite supply of horses or bangers.

Prosecute those who can definitely be identified as owners as well as destroying/selling the property.

rekdtangle

Had my shed robbed in Mount Suir Saturday night / Sunday morning and an attempt to come through the front door last night. Reported to AGS and they were out quite quickly, made statement etc. I don't expect anything to come of it but at least keep reporting incidents.

Personally I find the kids out of Ard Cluain to be worse than the travellers. They've hit my car with stones going back a year ago and over xmas did it to my van. Same ones were trying to burn down the unfinished houses in Woodlawn going back 18 months or so ago.

rekdtangle

rekdtangle wrote: »

Had my shed robbed in Mount Suir Saturday night / Sunday morning and an attempt to come through the front door last night. Reported to AGS and they were out quite quickly, made statement etc. I don't expect anything to come of it but at least keep reporting incidents.

Personally I find the kids out of Ard Cluain to be worse than the travellers. They've hit my car with stones going back a year ago and over xmas did it to my van. Same ones were trying to burn down the unfinished houses in Woodlawn going back 18 months or so ago.

Personally I find Travellers and Traveller kids to be worse than kids in general - generally everywhere.

But then again there are pockets/clusters of 10 - 12 houses with non travellers, that on a Pro Rata basis; whose inhabitants are far worse than travellers.

It all depends on perspective really and the slant people are willing to put on statistics to justify the unjustifiable.

There are also more Irish people who are considered "settled" (I'm Irish and like many others I don't wish to have my Nationality modified to differentiate myself from a minority that are in the main - and here comes a noun that is acceptable in my book to label ANYONE who has multiple convictions racked up, and more than a sizeable minority of travellers have - SCUM) in prison than Travellers.

That's the level of argument coming from many who don't have one

rekdtangle

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally I find Travellers and Traveller kids to be worse than kids in general - generally everywhere.

But then again there are pockets/clusters of 10 - 12 houses with non travellers, that on a Pro Rata basis; whose inhabitants are far worse than travellers.

It all depends on perspective really and the slant people are willing to put on statistics to justify the unjustifiable.

There are also more Irish people who are considered "settled" (I'm Irish and like many others I don't wish to have my Nationality modified to differentiate myself from a minority that are in the main - and here comes a noun that is acceptable in my book to label ANYONE who has multiple convictions racked up, and more than a sizeable minority of travellers have - SCUM) in prison than Travellers.

That's the level of argument coming from many who don't have one

Generally I would agree. But in terms of trouble and hassle up here my own experience is what I've stated.

rekdtangle

rekdtangle wrote: »

Generally I would agree. But in terms of trouble and hassle up here my own experience is what I've stated.

That's (un)fair enough. You can only speak on your own experience.
Sorry for your troubles

Just personally most hassle I get ( and I don't live in the thread vicinity) comes from travellers, and they're usually in the late teens+ bracket.

friendlyfun

I think there needs to be more emphasis on traveller education. Most traveller kids drop out by 16 years old. They're really needs to be a liason with their parents to keep their kids in school.

Johnboy1951

friendlyfun wrote: »

I think there needs to be more emphasis on traveller education. Most traveller kids drop out by 16 years old. They're really needs to be a liason with their parents to keep their kids in school.

Has that not been the case for decades now?
Has there been any great improvement in their acceptance of society and its laws?

friendlyfun

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Has that not been the case for decades now?
Has there been any great improvement in their acceptance of society and its laws?

Bigotry is certainly not going to change anything anyway only reinforces the division.

Johnboy1951

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Has that not been the case for decades now?
Has there been any great improvement in their acceptance of society and its laws?

friendlyfun wrote: »

Bigotry is certainly not going to change anything anyway only reinforces the division.

I take that as a 'no' then.

Wanderer78

friendlyfun wrote:

I think there needs to be more emphasis on traveller education. Most traveller kids drop out by 16 years old. They're really needs to be a liason with their parents to keep their kids in school.

I'd imagine at this stage, we probably should accept, our educational system simply doesn't work for them, if we want them to engage in it, we ll have to change it to suit, this change might also help ourselves

Fritzbox

friendlyfun wrote: »

I think there needs to be more emphasis on traveller education. Most traveller kids drop out by 16 years old. They're really needs to be a liason with their parents to keep their kids in school.

Wasn't there a scheme whereby teachers would visit traveller caravan sites and provide tuition to the children there? Whatever happened to this scheme?

spankmemunkey

Fritzbox wrote: »

Wasn't there a scheme whereby teachers would visit traveller caravan sites and provide tuition to the children there? Whatever happened to this scheme?

I'm sure there was a perfectly good reason why it stopped, would you like to be going to work on Halting sites everyday??

A long post coming up here. Apols in advance.

If even one person agrees/ concurs then I'm happy (or at least not mad/delusional :pac:)

I'm putting it out there, coming from a "conspiracy theory"/ the pessimist in me side.

Someone (many perhaps) saw the winds of change coming a long time ago. I'll come back to this later...

A lot of this post is only opinion and perhaps incorrect or some ignorance on my part but I believe in the main mainly true and has some substance (not exactly original thinking I'm putting forth as I'm sure - I'd like to think so anyway :pac: - many probably think/feel the same) but I just want to go off on one a tad to get it off my chest - a rant if you will.

Were travellers ever registered in the "system", say going back 50/60 yrs when social welfare came about and would they have been able to claim it then? I know a lot of them, and this is pretty well documented, were never registered in the Births system but presumably only Baptised in the Church.

So back then they were able to eke out a living/existence through doing odd jobs/tinkering/seasonal type farm work/carnivals & funfairs etc and calling door to door seeking alms; in simpler times if you want to call it that.

They pretty much lived and operated outside the law then and co-existed I guess with ordinary folk without much hassle and to an extent they were respectful/respected, while not being entirely trusted.

My point, after that long preamble is this:
I think they should have been let have at it in regards to how they lived, in that they could park up their caravans on the side of the road where room provided and also a few purpose built halting sites which would be on them to maintain, being that they were what, for want of a better word would have been considered "Outlaws", but at the same time NOT criminals (in the main).

But no - the 1980s came and almost every household had a car/tractor/lawnmower or at least access to usage of same by loan from a neighbour..

Not much need for off the books/ casual labourers then. And from the 1990s onwards even less so.
Then the Travellers would have had to voluntarily "come into the fold" or else..
starve - literally. They no longer served any useful purpose to the average Joe or Josephine. No more work or alms or the bare minimum at best.
The 20th century/ industrial revolution had landed. The Traveller "Business model" would - through technology - be defunct.

But no, sometime around the 1980s houses were built for them and many "settled" and many didn't thereby creating a sort of Limbo or lacuna (a popular word nowadays among politicians and that sort) to allow for what happened recently which was granting them "ethnic status" to the detriment of the majority of this Country; either directly - which needn't be again mentioned - or indirectly through their sophistry/siphoning off the system through various kinds of frauds mainly Social Welfare and Insurance.

So they were allowed to operate in both societies/ "cultures" simultaneously - live in a house, don't live in a house; go to school, don't go to school; claim (multiple?) Social Welfare with no obligation to seek employment; get married at whatever age they liked, as young as 15 probably.

So going back to the fourth para (the winds of change and whatnot) my questions are: Why? Qui Bono?

Why were they not let have at their 2 or so centuries old lifestyle?
Did someone back in the day see some way of coining it in or was there some other/another motive(s)/motivation(s) at play?

Like I said - just a rant mainly but I'm very curious to know who was behind that "1963 Itineracy report" that Mr Collins never fails to mention and what was their stated (or other) motivation/s at the time.

Thanks for reading whether you agree or not.

I wish someone else wrote this so I could thank it because :P and also but mainly :mad:

Johnboy1951

Back in the 50s & 60s the travellers pulled in on private lands and proceeded to destroy the area with scrap and other rubbish, and then moved on. Not a lot has changed from what little interaction I have with them.

If the land owner back then wanted to complain nobody really helped and it only brought the ire of the encampment down upon him and his holding. A lot of damage can be done at night by very few.

The only success I know about from that era concerned a relation of mine who had land beside which they camped.
They made his life hell for a while ..... and it was very hard without them.
So he faced them one day ..... wielding an iron bar ...... and cracked a few bones in his stand.
He told me later that the only thing they 'respected' was physical force, so he resorted to it.
I will say here that he was one tough hombre himself, so was best suited to the action he took. Most of us would not be.

They stayed some years after that and not one further bit of trouble did he have. If any stepped out of line he told the 'boss' or whatever he was called, and things were put right.

He even traded with them .... buying a couple of working horses from them.

I do not recall who moved first ... them or him

About your 'rant' ..... society progressed from the 50s (nearly 70 years ago) but they apparently didn't.
Our education, jobs, living conditions, health, comfort etc etc all improved.
That they stayed behind is, for a large part, due to their own action/inaction, or inability to accept that things were changing.
Now their halting sites are like a throwback to 100 years ago ...... no respect for the environment or it seems for just about anything else.

There were still a few travelling 'tinkers' and odd-job families travelling about.
Many were trusted and employed too; fed and given a place to stay for a couple of days even when no work was available.
Those 'older' (true) travellers/tinkers were few and far between by the 1960s, still using non-motorised transport.

So, no, I don't have a lot of sympathy for them as a 'class' of people. Certainly some are deserving of all the help that can be drummed up, but the rest drag the lot down.

..... too long .....

marlin vs

I came over the Carrigpheris road today and was held up in a traffic jam caused by two sulkies trotting side by side, they hadn't the decency to trot single file and let the traffic pass.

Azatadine

The Carrickphierrish road is their playground. They "own" that road. They can do what they like. And they do just that.

mooseknunkle

Bad crash between sulky and cars on Ballytruckle!!

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/02/02/gardai-investigating-crash-sulky/?fbclid=IwAR3wNebw1fUZTJj2fIbP_BRDFgnVRukPf5FSVRUgmWl5PC6pZfBj-Ayr_QM

mooseknunkle

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Bad crash between sulky and cars on Ballytruckle!!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10222449175726314&set=pcb.10222449176366330&type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10222449175366305&set=pcb.10222449176366330&type=3&theater

Not on FB, hope all the occupants of the cars are okay and whoever is at fault is brought to book.

mooseknunkle

Deleted User wrote: »

Not on FB, hope all the occupants of the cars are okay and whoever is at fault is brought to book.

From reading the comments the people are ok and also the horse,the traveller fled the scene when it happened!

mooseknunkle

mooseknunkle wrote: »

From reading the comments the people are ok and also the horse,the traveller fled the scene when it happened!

Some quality comments then, and a v funny summation from yourself; ta

An 8.2 on the lol scale, just the tonic on a dreary day

:pac: :pac: :pac:

jimbojazz

Shur ets dur culchur

friendlyfun

4 cars damaged. Jesus.

jimbojazz

friendlyfun wrote: »

4 cars damaged. Jesus.

Yip, what gets me more than anything is that they can take over the roads and cause mayhem like today and get away Scott free but some kid driving his car and obeying the rules but driving on a provisional gets pulled over and has his car confiscated, sickens me

mooseknunkle

friendlyfun wrote: »

4 cars damaged. Jesus.

181 Audi that looks like a write off,the owner will have to claim of their own insurance most likely,its absolutely crazy and thankfully nobody was hurt including the horse...

dark crystal

The horse has now been euthanized according to Waterford Animal Welfare.


Watch how the scumbag involved won't even be arrested or charged with anything either.

BBM77

dark crystal wrote: »

The horse has now been euthanized according to Waterford Animal Welfare.


Watch how the scumbag involved won't even be arrested or charged with anything either.

https://www.waterfordlive.ie/news/home/513827/no-arrests-after-sulky-collides-with-four-cars-in-waterford.html

:mad: Of course not.

Investigations are ongoing.

Still waters

Someone worked hard to pay for their car only to have some dirty animal (not talking about the horse) make shìt of it because they can't behave like normal decent civilians

friendlyfun

How long is this going to happen? are they waiting for a member of the public to be killed? This has gone on far too long and should be banned completely from our public roads. Can't believe in 2020 we still have to put up with this f**cking crap. This is a poor indictment of our society that we allow this to happen.

Harry Palmr

DT talking about this on WLR now.

friendlyfun

Harry Palmr wrote: »

DT talking about this on WLR now.

And he spent half the time excortiating the woman from Deise Animal Sanctuary who are the ones who are actually dealing with it. Saying why aren't you going into the sites with the Garda etc.

Harry Palmr

Yes!

I suppose a Traveller spokesperson was out of the question. The Garda with ARU's if needed should just go in and remove every horse and buggy

friendlyfun

friendlyfun wrote: »

How long is this going to happen? are they waiting for a member of the public to be killed? This has gone on far too long and should be banned completely from our public roads. Can't believe in 2020 we still have to put up with this f**cking crap. This is a poor indictment of our society that we allow this to happen.

"We" don't have much of a say alas

It's the Government, NGOs and the powers that be; all of whom are on the gravy train, that not only ignore this behaviour, but also, through various methods and means - minorities/hate speech/excuses allowed in mitigation - poor background, culture, addiction, bisexual etc etc etc - facilitate its continuing.

A man can't even defend himself in his home and his property without going to jail for it.

Padraig is a national treasure.

Not enough of his like around unfortunately.

It's a sad indictment when criminals can operate with impunity and the victims are often ignored and sometimes themselves treated like criminals :mad:

marlin vs

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a sad indictment when criminals can operate with impunity and the victims are often ignored and sometimes themselves treated like criminals :mad:

A truer word was never said.The law abider has no right's.

Mysterypunter

Remember Eamon Quinlan, the Fianna Fail cllr, when we discuss this topic. He was asked about the Carrickpherish road, and the nest of travellers living there, and his response was, "I live in the area". He doesn't.

NIMAN

Deleted User wrote: »

Not on FB, hope all the occupants of the cars are okay and whoever is at fault is brought to book.

Excuse my laughing.

Muttley79

Mysterypunter wrote: »

Remember Eamon Quinlan, the Fianna Fail cllr, when we discuss this topic. He was asked about the Carrickpherish road, and the nest of travellers living there, and his response was, "I live in the area". He doesn't.

Eamon Quinlan is only a tea boy for the Fianna fail party.i wouldn't even take him series as a councillor in the city.he tries to say things that are populist amongst people.

Deiselurker

Another incident yesterday with an 11 year old going home from school hit by a pellet gunshot. The culprits were young according to Cllr Joe Kelly on WLR and they ran into the traveller encampment before the Gardai came. It's no wonder people object to traveller housing in their areas.