The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Gachla wrote: »

102 titles since 2001, 29 titles in the 18 years before that. Some GDO's from Dublin have stated the huge difference in standards of players going into development squads from when this all began to now. Professional coaches along with highly paid officials overseeing the structures have brought about this incredible change in Dublin GAA.

Don't mind your 102 titles you are including all sorts O'Byrne Cups, u14 ?

I only count the big ones.
Where is the Liam McCarthy Cup?
It must be priceless since 'financial doping' cannot afford it?
15 years of doping according to you - where's liam?


There is something wrong with your logic somewhere?

Gachla wrote: »

No O Byrne Cups, just Leinster, National league and All Ireland's. The big ones. Here ya go:

Again question is not answered where is Liam?
Where is the hurling success?
Hurling a game with a small pool at intercounty much smaller than football.
Yet no SENIOR INTERCOUNTY alll-ireland - despite your claims of financial doping that is where your argument really fails.

Most of those titles you repeatedly list are football based - surely hurling would have caught up smaller pool of counties less money required.

WHERE IS LIAM? (you have yet to answer it_
Simple question despite NEARLY TWO decades of financial doping according to you he is nowhere to be seen. Not even an AI inter-county final no real progression.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Pure speculation.



Not true it took a last minute peno to get an undeserved draw v Wexford for a start in Parnell.



Why would it take 20 years if money is the answer. They have never contested an AI intercounty final in my lifetime.
Surely 15 years of 'financial doping' would have reaped real rewards at this stage?
Only a league against a depleted KK in 2011 and a leinster title against a disinterested Galway 2013 to show for it.
Plus the Dublin hurlers are really dependent on the tight Parnell pitch outside of it they really struggle.
Also surely hurling needs more decent county teams it only has six/eight at push?



The Dublin hurling team a joy to watch? First time I heard that said.

The good old days when Dublin were underachieving? Anybody But Dublin?

As you've been told a million times before it's because you started from a much lower level compared to the footballers. Are you ignoring these points on purpose just to troll?

I used to cheer for Dublin when not playing meath and wanted you to go far in the championship although not win Sam. Reason being the atmosphere your fans would bring from leinster championship onwards.

I still cheer on your hurlers against the big guns. My dream leinster final is Dublin vs wexford. I want your hurlers to win the AI but the day you start dominating the hurling is the day I'll start hating the team.

I went from liking kerry/kilkenny to hating them because they won so much. The hurling championship was depressing while kilkenny dominated. So it's not just because it's Dublin. I just want an exciting leinster and AI. I want a healthy GAA but Dublin dominating with all the advantages and ability to sustain it forever unlike small counties like Kerry/KK is extremely worrying. Maybe after you lot have won 11/12 in a row you'll start seeing it from this point of view.

RoyalCelt wrote: »

As you've been told a million times before it's because you started from a much lower level compared to the footballers. Are you ignoring these points on purpose just to troll?

I have just made that very point in a previous post - with the 'financial doping' theory it should take less money to make Dublin succeed at hurling as they start with a low base plus there is less competition in hurling - smaller player pools - it should fast improvement as a result.

But it has not happened.

Plus I also discussed the 'low base' in the context of Dublin vastly underachieving at football - the only way was up - when proper management planing and structures were put in place. They could at least get to where they should be - the mean.
But because this group so good they have surpassed it.
It happens in all sports - Michael Schmacher/Federer/Hendry/Davis/O'Sulllivan
Sometimes you just have to admire greatness.

Gachla wrote: »

From no titles for decades to 16 titles since funding is further proof that Dublin have bought success or more like, been bought success. Then you look at underage success in football, up from 7 to 23 titles. Ladies football, from 0 to 11 (and there's some missing here). Dublin club teams have gone from 9 titles to 30. You've been bombarded with cold, hard, facts, I know you don't like it but facts are facts.

Don't mind ladies football I doubt you even follow it again that is tiny pool of competition
Your theory is gone when you see the regression in Dublin hurling since 2013 - surely more money would be thrown at it,

Underage success in football is largely down to one spectacular group of players.

For example my brother used to play for a basketball team - from u12 to adult they were exceptional group.

Gachla wrote: »

Whataboutery:

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

Rubbish yet again you not see beyond your narrow argument which is on very shaky ground.

Why did Parnell's not succeed?

Why is Liam McCarthy not been won?

Gachla wrote: »

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

It is whataboutery when it does not suit you I notice.
Simple questions with no answers from you that is your MO.

It sums up the flaws your argument you are stuck for words - gobsmacked.

I will leave it anyway have a read about Parnell's and think where they went wrong.

Money does not buy success on its own.
But I suspect you are aware of that, but are choosing to have fun.
I will not list all the other factors you know them, but deny they exist.
So it is pointless to continue the discussion any further.

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

If every other county somehow managed to pull off what Tyrone have done it still doesn't take away from the vast special treatment the dubs have got and continue to get compared to other counties.

Well Tyrone managed to it - in an environment which is more difficult than the environment many other GAA counties have to contend with.

If Tyrone can do it surely Meath-Galway-Cork-Kildare have little excuse?

Gachla wrote: »

There's the white flag being raised! You cannot dispute any of the fatcs I have presented. 103+ titles and testimony from actual employees of Dublin GAA. You'll just have to accept the reality. Dublin bought success, the accusation of financial doping has been proved behond reasonable doubt.

Which book on debating tactics do you get the "declare white flag being raised" tactic from? Of course you are very capable of proving your own ideas to your own satisfaction, as if there was ever any doubt what conclusion you would draw.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

One exceptional group, no issue there. Multiple exceptional groups across different grades, one after the other. That's definitely systematic.

Is is not a demonstration of a cohesive plan and structure?
It did not lift all grades and all codes.

Hurling-Camogie etc

Plus the fact that Dublin had regressed to such an extent improvment was more than likely.

Plus I can only speak on hurling and football in the mens.
I do not see these Multiple exceptional groups - the only exceptional group I saw in football was the 2010/2011/2012 vintage which mixed minor u21 who then made the senior team of 2013.There is overlap with Costello-Killkenny in the hurling for example.
Con is the only fella who really made it from the u21 2017 team - basquel in and out.

I still view it a bright blue generation.
I believe they were inspired by the 2011 win very dramatic.