Gachla wrote: » 102 titles since 2001, 29 titles in the 18 years before that. Some GDO's from Dublin have stated the huge difference in standards of players going into development squads from when this all began to now. Professional coaches along with highly paid officials overseeing the structures have brought about this incredible change in Dublin GAA.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Don't mind your 102 titles you are including all sorts O'Byrne Cups, u14 ? I only count the big ones. Where is the Liam McCarthy Cup? It must be priceless since 'financial doping' cannot afford it? 15 years of doping according to you - where's liam? There is something wrong with your logic somewhere?
Gachla wrote: » As promised, I have gone through the years from 1982-2000 to compare them with the years 2001-2019. Men's senior football: 13 Men's senior hurling: 0 Men's u20/21 football: 1 Men's u21 hurling: 0 Men's minor football: 6 Men's minor hurling: 0 Ladies senior footballers: 0 (Can't find Ladies Leinster records) Men's club football - 8 Men's club hurling - 0 Ladies club football - 1 That's a total of 29 titles. In case you forget, here's the total for between 2001 and 2019: Men's senior football: 26 Men's senior hurling: 2 Men's u20/21 football: 15 Men's u21 hurling: 4 Men's minor football: 8 Men's minor hurling: 6 Ladies senior footballers: 11 - (8 Leinsters in a row, 3 All Ireland's, can't find Leinster records) Men's club football - 14 Men's club hurling - 4 Ladies club football - 12 That adds up to 102 titles. So 102 titles post funding, 29 titles in the same period prior to funding. This is what millions upon millions of euro can buy you in Gaelic Games.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Ah but you can do up a ford cortina and give it a decent engine.. Some people do not maintain thier cars and let it fail the NCT. Look at the work Tyrone put in compared to Meath and Tryone are under occupation. Tyrone have all these centres and acadamieshttps://www.the42.ie/tyrone-garvaghey-project-1124677-Oct2013/
Gachla wrote: » No O Byrne Cups, just Leinster, National league and All Ireland's. The big ones. Here ya go:
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » Jesus, imagine what Tyrone could do if the gaa gave them special treatment like the Dubs
Gachla wrote: » Actually, Dublin ladies won the national league in 2018! That's 103 titles.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Again question is not answered where is Liam? Where is the hurling success? Hurling a game with a small pool at intercounty much smaller than football. Yet no SENIOR INTERCOUNTY alll-ireland - despite your claims of financial doping that is where your argument really fails. Most of those titles you repeatedly list are football based - surely hurling would have caught up smaller pool of counties less money required. WHERE IS LIAM? (you have yet to answer it_ Simple question despite NEARLY TWO decades of financial doping according to you he is nowhere to be seen. Not even an AI inter-county final no real progression.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Does not not show up the other counties?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Pure speculation. Not true it took a last minute peno to get an undeserved draw v Wexford for a start in Parnell. Why would it take 20 years if money is the answer. They have never contested an AI intercounty final in my lifetime. Surely 15 years of 'financial doping' would have reaped real rewards at this stage? Only a league against a depleted KK in 2011 and a leinster title against a disinterested Galway 2013 to show for it. Plus the Dublin hurlers are really dependent on the tight Parnell pitch outside of it they really struggle. Also surely hurling needs more decent county teams it only has six/eight at push? The Dublin hurling team a joy to watch? First time I heard that said. The good old days when Dublin were underachieving? Anybody But Dublin?
Gachla wrote: » Between 1982 and 2000 Dublin won no titles in hurling. None for their senior hurlers, none for their underage hurlers, none for their club teams. Absolutely none. Zero. Zilch. Between 2001 and 2019, they've won 16! That is incredible and you say no real progression!
RoyalCelt wrote: » As you've been told a million times before it's because you started from a much lower level compared to the footballers. Are you ignoring these points on purpose just to troll?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Dublin started at such a low base any half decent plan would see fast improvement in hurling. You still have no answer the question if you follow your (flawed) logic that progreesion should be faster in hurling and 15 years should be ample time to win at senior inter-county level at hurling. When in fact the Dublin hurlers have regressed at intercounty level for the past 6 years! It is a mjor flaw in your logic. I would believe your arguement if Dublin had success at intercounty level and even came close to landing liam. But has not happened. So your catch all 'financial doping' argument starts to look extremely silly indeed.
Gachla wrote: » From no titles for decades to 16 titles since funding is further proof that Dublin have bought success or more like, been bought success. Then you look at underage success in football, up from 7 to 23 titles. Ladies football, from 0 to 11 (and there's some missing here). Dublin club teams have gone from 9 titles to 30. You've been bombarded with cold, hard, facts, I know you don't like it but facts are facts.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Don't mind ladies football I doubt you even follow it again that is tiny pool of competition Your theory is gone when you see the regression in Dublin hurling since 2013 - surely more money would be thrown at it, Underage success in football is largely down to one spectacular group of players. For example my brother used to play for a basketball team - from u12 to adult they were exceptional group.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Also Gachia Parnell's GAA club and thier big money disaster also shatter your flawed financial doping theory. Money = success There are just too many holes in your argument which you refuse to address.That is your prerogative I suppose.
Gachla wrote: » Whataboutery: Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Rubbish yet again you not see beyond your narrow argument which is on very shaky ground. Why did Parnell's not succeed? Why is Liam McCarthy not been won?
Gachla wrote: » Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.
odyssey06 wrote: » It's not whataboutery. Whataboutery is about drawing false moral equivalences. You are the one proposing a general theory of financial doping, and its 'proven' effects in GAA. It's not whataboutery to point out occurrences that do not fit your theory, or directly contradict your theory. There are no accusation of hypocrisy, just highlighting the gaping holes in your argument.
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » If every other county somehow managed to pull off what Tyrone have done it still doesn't take away from the vast special treatment the dubs have got and continue to get compared to other counties.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » You would just have to amalgamate based on political boundries - population etc. So if Kerry win in the next few years what will you be saying? Also you will also note Dublin did not win the last two league titles. Plus counties around Ireland seem to love when the Dubs are on tour. I did not hear anyone cursing having to play them. You have to admit your own county made a joke of itself 13 years in div 2 one of the most populous counties in the country. Near Dublin for work no excuses. They were not even second or third in leinster for years!
Gachla wrote: » There's the white flag being raised! You cannot dispute any of the fatcs I have presented. 103+ titles and testimony from actual employees of Dublin GAA. You'll just have to accept the reality. Dublin bought success, the accusation of financial doping has been proved behond reasonable doubt.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » One exceptional group, no issue there. Multiple exceptional groups across different grades, one after the other. That's definitely systematic.
