Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

is_that_so wrote: »

It's an issue for our times no less than banning the bomb was a source of depression and great fear for an earlier generation. There really is no benefit to be had in disparaging previous generations. It leads to distrust, false accusations and ultimately communication breakdown. People as symbols are a danger to themselves in the sense that they can be undone and undermined by those who either wish to exploit them or bring them down. If we need an image it is something that endures.

Faugheen wrote: »

I was going to link a tweet to someone wishing for a 'freak yachting accident'. However I see one of the regular scumbags who wishes harm on a child got here first and is hiding behind the mask of a 'joke'.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

We’re so far apart on this one lola I’m not sure there’s going to be any agreement. I do see where you’re coming from and I get why you would admire her for her enthusiasm and her work. I admire her for that too. I think it’s great that she has such enthusiasm and passion for something she believes in.

This is absolutely something people are used to seeing in children no matter what country or society they were raised in, no matter what time they were raised in. According to Biblical accounts, Jesus was 12 when he started his journey of social justice advocacy But that’s why I said earlier that the idea of using children to promote adults beliefs is nothing new. Not too many are going to shoot the messenger when they’re a child, and the adults using the child as a shield know this. That’s what makes what the adults are doing wrong. That’s what ruffles my feathers. I don’t hold the child, Greta in this case, in any way responsible for “her” message.

I absolutely disagree with you that we don’t live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive. That’s exactly what most adults do, and there will always be the few that will regale their children as the new Messiah. All bets are off when the child becomes an adult and then we can fire at will on the messenger, but while they’re a child, nobody is going to do that, because they believe children need protecting from adults who would seek to put any responsibility on a child before that child has developed the mental capacity and maturity to have adult interactions with adults.

I don’t find Greta the least bit inspirational, because she’s a child. I don’t take inspiration from children because my role in society as an adult is to inspire children so that when they become adults, they can do the things that adults do and they have the capacity to fully understand what they’re doing, as opposed to placing their trust in adults who it’s clear couldn’t care less about her welfare and care more about using a child to promote their own message and shield them and their message, from criticism. The novelty will wear off Greta when she grows up, only to have her replaced with another child. It’s very rare that children who attain fame in early childhood themselves go on to become mature adults who contribute to society.

So when a group of adults are demanding that people examine their attitudes to the long term welfare of our environment while using a child to do so, it’s only appropriate for other people to suggest that those people examine the long term consequences of their own actions first and what those actions could mean for a child that they’re supposed to protect from coming to harm.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They are using her name. A teen girl two weeks on that.

odyssey06 wrote: »

She's not crew.

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Only the enlightened demi-gods like you may have an opinion on this so? Suit yourself. I've already made far more of a contribution to this discussion than your sniping has.

I was aware of the climate strike but, being wary of how entertainment increasingly masquerades as news, I instinctively avoided the more hype filled coverage of the personalities involved as there are far more important things to pay attention to. From the links in the first page of the thread I was able to catch up quickly by reading up on her today.

She seems like a genuinely well intentioned person but my concerns about her background remain. Ayone can be a zealot for immediate action if it just means they go from a Porsche 911 to a Tesla S for their 17th birthday present, the representatives at the UN have more serious sacrifices to discuss.

odyssey06 wrote: »

I fully agree with you with the disgraceful behaviour of the adults in this.

But these children, or rather youths (because I don't think it's accurate to lump 6 year old kids and 16 year old youths together like) are inspirational:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/rescuers-recognised-for-acts-of-bravery-in-dublin-ceremony-876958.html

But their actions should not be expected, and it is not their role. But is is inspirational to know what they could do .

Deleted User wrote: »

You make it sound like the media concocted her in a lab.

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ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Her parents PR did.

This is her mother.


Her dad is a author, arts manager and producer, and actor.

They both have pr firms. She is represented by them.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You make it sound like the media concocted her in a lab.

She decided to start her own protest about a topic she was passionate about. And here's the best bit, it was long before the media got involved. It started to snowball and eventually thousands of youngsters had joined her. THEN the media arrived.

Its a big story because its a young wan trying to do what the grown ups won't even attempt to do.

I personally think we're ****ed, I think we're beyond the point of return in terms of climate change, ice melting, seas rising, etc. Greta has my utmost admiration still. It's great to see someone of her age passionate about such an important thing. When I was her age I was playing headers at the side of a pub.

So maybe we should open up our ears and have a listen to the kids, they cant be any worse than the adults.

Calhoun wrote: »

It's quite genius actually, has the making of a PR man's wet dream. She's even immune to criticism because of her condition and in turn it's used as a near truth for what she is saying.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

What 16 yr old wears her hair in two heidi plaits EVERYDAY ?