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ToBeFrank123 · 15-08-2019 02:46PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

There won't be any money for funding anything in that scenario except 3-4 new stadiums.
I don't think anyone is saying the funding should be locked in stone, one imagines it's a major topic of discussion in the GAA when planning budgets every year.
But any plan that involves a forced splitting of Dublin is no solution, never going to get off the ground. Get real.

Its amazing how Bertie was able to find funding for the redevelopment or construction of Parnell Park, Croke Park, Aviva and Bertie Bowl, all within 10 years, in Dublin and all within a stones throw of his constituency. This in addition to the GDF to Dublin and I think the annual irish sports grant to Dublin.

Bertie was amazingly generous to Dublin and his constituents with everyone else's money.

But if someone else goes looking to redevelop a stadium they are criticised.

Thankfully his Bertie Bowl never got off the ground. What a misuse of funds that would have been.

blanch152 · 15-08-2019 02:52PM

largepants wrote: »

:rolleyes: Do you seriously think I don't know that Darcy is involved with Dublin? Honestly like? I guess I have to explain it now.

The original point was that a Dublin poster was pontificating about players from other counties playing elsewhere. My point (Darcy included) was that Dublin have had their fair share of them.

Both of you can come down off the pulpit now.

Darcy was generously shared by Dublin with elsewhere.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 02:54PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Its amazing how Bertie was able to finding funding for the redevelopment or construction of Parnell Park, Croke Park, Aviva and Bertie Bowl, all within 10 years, in Dublin and all within a stones throw of his constituency. This in addition to the GDF to Dublin and I think the annual irish sports grant to Dublin.

Bertie was amazingly generous to Dublin and his constituents with everyone else's money.

But if someone else goes looking to redevelop a stadium they are criticised.

Thankfully his Bertie Bowl never got off the ground. What a misuse of funds that would have been.

You would want to have a good throw on ya to throw a stone from Drumcondra to the AVIVA/West Dublin. Hardly a stone's throw.

Isn't Bertie always critised except on NI

Didn't John O'Donghue get loads of funding for Kerry as minister for Sport?
It is what politicians do.

Plus I was not a fan of the former Dublin Chairman the late John Bailey - as he shafted Tommy Carr on a casting vote.
After he said he would support him.

He was the father of Maria Bailey - the 'swing' woman, and he was some operator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bailey_(Irish_politician)

Politicians know how to work sport for their own ends - Shane Ross lashes out money to the Ladies hockey team as part of a photo op/photobombs Katie Taylor after winning boxing.
I assume if Dublin win Sam for five in a row Shane Ross will lift it.

bruschi · 15-08-2019 02:54PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I love it when somebody doubles down on their discredited point.

me too.

blanch152 wrote: »

Mayo spend the most of all counties on their senior team. Any funding they get from Croke Park is concentrated into the senior team.

The best approach for senior success is the one taken by Kerry. Concentrate on training the best of the 14 and 15-year olds and develop them into real players, giving them a culture of winning at minor level, take the best into the senior squad, while at the same time ignoring mass participation.

blanch152 wrote: »

On Kerry, here is an article that sets out how they concentrated on the development squad approach since 2010:

https://www.buzz.ie/gaa/kerry-got-football-factory-working-250604#

Here is another on how Clifford is a product of the development squad approach:

https://www.the42.ie/david-clifford-kerry-2-4748999-Aug2019/

It all comes together with their new Centre of Excellence and the links with IT Tralee.

On Mayo, you just need to look at the annual report on squad expenses. Mayo are always top of the list with four or five dual counties around them, because of the expenses they pay out to players.

bruschi wrote: »

an article on how they improved their development squads and building a centre of excellence.

Now show me where they redirected their funding to "ignore mass participation".

Mayo have large squad expenses. Please outline where "Any funding they get from Croke Park is concentrated into the senior team"

blanch152 wrote: »

If you want to be pedantic, you have a point, but my overall point that Dublin concentrate efforts on juvenile participation, while Kerry fundraising focuses on building centres of excellence for development squads, and Mayo fundraising goes into senior squad expenses remains valid.

despite showing no evidence whatseover that "funding from Croke Park is concentrated to the senior team or that Kerry "ignore mass participation", you still kept going and doubled down on it, but changed the goalposts and even still with no evidence to back anything up.

Mayo do not spend money received for coaching and games on their senior team.
Kerry do not have any plan in place that ignores mass participation in favour of development squads.

another point that is repeatedly being stated is about the infrastructure development of counties etc. Its not like it was one or the other, build a centre or get coaches. And more often than not, the more successful a senior team, the more fundraising can be obtained. this has a positive knock on effect for underage development and squads etc.

blanch152 · 15-08-2019 03:00PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

My own view is the death of gaelic football was assured when soccer fans like Bertie Ahern got involved and tried to buy success for his county (like the EPL soccer teams buy success).

Soccer fan Bertie hoped to professionalise coaching in Dublin and make it the exception to all other counties.

Gaelic football then became a sport where the county with the most financial clout in coaching and development would ultimately rule.

It is more than hyperbole to call the death of gaelic football only days after the greatest 12 minutes ever played by a team. The devastation of Mayo during the first twelve minutes of the second half last Saturday was one of the greatest displays of football ever. Goals and points for the ages. O'Callaghan leaving Lee Keegan on his arse twice, Mannion toying with Barrett before kicking over sumptuous points, Fenton towering over O'Shea to win marks, Kilkenny's deft passing and some outrageously brilliant tackling when Mayo did manage to get their hands on the ball for a few seconds.

How can you call football dead when we are seeing some of the most glorious exponents of it take the field?

odyssey06 · 15-08-2019 03:11PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Its amazing how Bertie was able to finding funding for the redevelopment or construction of Parnell Park, Croke Park, Aviva and Bertie Bowl, all within 10 years, in Dublin and all within a stones throw of his constituency. This in addition to the GDF to Dublin and I think the annual irish sports grant to Dublin.

Where can I find this Bertie Bowl if Bertie found the money for it?

Croke Park and the Aviva are in the capital city of this country.
Bertie didn't put them there.

What should the government have done, found a constituency with no FF minister and built a new stadium there? There is no coherent case to be made there either.

Not contributed any funds and left Croke Park in the state it was in?
Maybe it would have been better for the state coffers but there is no coherent case to be made for it being a better outcome for the GAA.

What has the Aviva got to do with Dublin dominance?

There's no coherent points at all here.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 03:16PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It is more than hyperbole to call the death of gaelic football only days after the greatest 12 minutes ever played by a team. The devastation of Mayo during the first twelve minutes of the second half last Saturday was one of the greatest displays of football ever. Goals and points for the ages. O'Callaghan leaving Lee Keegan on his arse twice, Mannion toying with Barrett before kicking over sumptuous points, Fenton towering over O'Shea to win marks, Kilkenny's deft passing and some outrageously brilliant tackling when Mayo did manage to get their hands on the ball for a few seconds.

How can you call football dead when we are seeing some of the most glorious exponents of it take the field?

Not to mention the best crop of minors in the history of the game from Kerry.

We get to see Clifford making an eejit of backs for Kerry at senior etc

I think what has happened is Dublin are a freak set of superb players with superb manager - who managed funds properly (unlike Parnell's in Dublin or Cork GAA)
You have seen a slide in other counties - but Kerry look primed to take over if not in a few weeks - in the next couple of years.

Those 11 lads from the 2011 team will not last forever and the 7 from the 2013 will be forced to carry the rest for the next couple of years.

After those fade there will be only 3 greats left Con, Howard, Scully, Fenton - will be the last few bright embers from the years since 2013.

It is like the song 'And the band played Waltzing Matilda'

But the band plays Waltzing Matilda,
And the old men still answer the call,
But year after year, the numbers get fewer
Someday, no one will march there at all.

People should soak it up and saviour this team they will not be around much longer.

ToBeFrank123 · 15-08-2019 03:22PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It is more than hyperbole to call the death of gaelic football only days after the greatest 12 minutes ever played by a team. The devastation of Mayo during the first twelve minutes of the second half last Saturday was one of the greatest displays of football ever. Goals and points for the ages. O'Callaghan leaving Lee Keegan on his arse twice, Mannion toying with Barrett before kicking over sumptuous points, Fenton towering over O'Shea to win marks, Kilkenny's deft passing and some outrageously brilliant tackling when Mayo did manage to get their hands on the ball for a few seconds.

How can you call football dead when we are seeing some of the most glorious exponents of it take the field?

15 years ago there were 9 or 10 counties of a similar standard who could challenge for Sam Maguire. There were 3 or 4 who could challenge for a Leinster title

Today, if you removed Dublin, there would still be 4 or 5, with Cork and Galway also in with a chance of challenging for Sam.

But after years of numerous advantages handed to Dublin, no-one can compete.

The death of competition equals the death of a meaningful sport.

And its very hard to bring something back from the dead!

blanch152 · 15-08-2019 03:24PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not to mention the best crop of minors in the history of the game from Kerry.

We get to see Clifford making an eejit of backs for Kerry at senior etc

I think what has happened is Dublin are a freak set of superb players with superb manager - who managed funds properly (unlike Parnell's in Dublin or Cork GAA)
You have seen a slide in other counties - but Kerry look primed to take over if not in a few weeks - in the next couple of years.

Those 11 lads from the 2011 team will not last forever and the 7 from the 2013 will be forced to carry the rest for the next couple of years.

After those fade there will be only 3 greats left Con, Howard, Scully, Fenton - will be the last few bright embers from the years since 2013.

It is like the song 'And the band played Waltzing Matilda'
But the band plays Waltzing Matilda,
And the old men still answer the call,
But year after year, the numbers get fewer
Someday, no one will march there at all.

People should soak it up and saviour this team they will not be around much longer.

And do you know what?

The same crowd criticising Dublin dominance today will be back in four or five years criticising how Dublin have wasted the legacy of the greatest team of all time. Some people cannot help themselves.

ToBeFrank123 · 15-08-2019 03:27PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Where can I find this Bertie Bowl if Bertie found the money for it?

Croke Park and the Aviva are in the capital city of this country.
Bertie didn't put them there.

What should the government have done, found a constituency with no FF minister and built a new stadium there? There is no coherent case to be made there either.

Not contributed any funds and left Croke Park in the state it was in?
Maybe it would have been better for the state coffers but there is no coherent case to be made for it being a better outcome for the GAA.

What has the Aviva got to do with Dublin dominance?

There's no coherent points at all here.

The point is people should stop whining about stadiums outside of Dublin.

It is completely unfair at this stage to expect the likes of Kerry, etc to have to play Dublin in AI semi finals at Croke Park, especially as crowds will be down in future.

Force Dublin out of Croker for AI semi finals. Make an effort to play all of them at genuinely neutral venues. Every Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry AI semi final against Dublin has been in Croker Park going back 80 or so years. A laughable advantage to Dublin which no longer should be tolerated in the interests of fair play.

And when people suggest Dublin being moved to a neutral venue you immediately get the "you're just bitter" nonsense.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 03:29PM

blanch152 wrote: »

And do you know what?

The same crowd criticising Dublin dominance today will be back in four or five years criticising how Dublin have wasted the legacy of the greatest team of all time. Some people cannot help themselves.

I am delighted to have seen players like Michael Murphy from Doengal right up through from u21 in 2010 (when he hot the crossbar) to now.

I appreciate great players and great play I appreciated Maurice Fitz point in 2001 and McDonald's in 2006 even though it sickened me as well.

Dublin just have more greats than any other team at the moment - they should be appreciated.
But unfortunately some who claim to be Gaels never will appreciate this Dublin team - I suppose I pity those types.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 03:31PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The point is people should stop whining about stadiums outside of Dublin.

It is completely unfair at this stage to expect the likes of Kerry, etc to have to play Dublin in AI semi finals at Croke Park, especially as crowds will be down in future.

Force Dublin out of Croker for AI semi finals. Make an effort to play all of them at genuinely neutral venues. Every Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry AI semi final against Dublin has been in Croker Park going back 80 or so years. A laughable advantage to Dublin which no longer should be tolerated in the interests of fair play.

And when people suggest Dublin being moved to a neutral venue you immediately get the "you're just bitter" nonsense.

I wouln't mind an away trip for the SF's but then people from other sports would attack the GAA calling Croke Park a white elephant.
Maybe rightly so.....

blanch152 · 15-08-2019 03:31PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

15 years ago there were 9 or 10 counties of a similar standard who could challenge for Sam Maguire. There were 3 or 4 who could challenge for a Leinster title

Today, if you removed Dublin, there would still be 4 or 5, with Cork and Galway also in with a chance of challenging for Sam.

But after years of numerous advantages handed to Dublin, no-one can compete.

The death of competition equals the death of a meaningful sport.

And its very hard to bring something back from the dead!

Mayo lost the semi-final this year by 10 points, they lost the final in 2004 by 8 points, not much of a difference to me. They were as bad then as they are now. Apart from Limerick, nobody gave Kerry a game that year.

salmocab · 15-08-2019 03:35PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Its amazing how Bertie was able to find funding for the redevelopment or construction of Parnell Park, Croke Park, Aviva and Bertie Bowl, all within 10 years, in Dublin and all within a stones throw of his constituency. This in addition to the GDF to Dublin and I think the annual irish sports grant to Dublin.

Bertie was amazingly generous to Dublin and his constituents with everyone else's money.

But if someone else goes looking to redevelop a stadium they are criticised.

Thankfully his Bertie Bowl never got off the ground. What a misuse of funds that would have been.

He wanted the Bertie bowl and wanted people to move in, it was a terrible plan as the stadium was in the middle of nowhere so instead they paid money toward the Aviva. It was never on the cards that they both be built. Although your right that it would have been a waste of money but he never funded it

flasher0030 · 15-08-2019 03:45PM

blanch152 wrote: »

It is more than hyperbole to call the death of gaelic football only days after the greatest 12 minutes ever played by a team. The devastation of Mayo during the first twelve minutes of the second half last Saturday was one of the greatest displays of football ever. Goals and points for the ages. O'Callaghan leaving Lee Keegan on his arse twice, Mannion toying with Barrett before kicking over sumptuous points, Fenton towering over O'Shea to win marks, Kilkenny's deft passing and some outrageously brilliant tackling when Mayo did manage to get their hands on the ball for a few seconds.

How can you call football dead when we are seeing some of the most glorious exponents of it take the field?

There's no point in trying to make it sound "romantically GAA". We all know the Dublin team are great. No denying that. But we don't sit back and admire them, drooling over them. We are disappointed for our own counties, and when the disappointment curtails, it is replaced by a little bit of anger at the unfair benefits that the Dublin team has to make them so much better than our own counties. It's pretty simple. To read that piece by you, it would sound like we should all head down to O'Neill's warehouse and pick up a blue jersey and become wannabe followers of Dublin. I don't despise Dublin. I just want them beaten by any other team at the moment.
If Dublin beat Kerry, it is the death of football, for me anyway in the short-term. I used to love the start of the GAA championship, not knowing what was going to happen. But if the winner is practically earmarked before a ball is kicked in, it loses its whole credibility as to the point of the whole thing.

ToBeFrank123 · 15-08-2019 03:47PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Mayo lost the semi-final this year by 10 points, they lost the final in 2004 by 8 points, not much of a difference to me. They were as bad then as they are now. Apart from Limerick, nobody gave Kerry a game that year.

They beat the Dubs in 2006. While Mayo were average at the time, at least they were contesting AI finals.

And they didn't have a wealthy benefactor at the time who decided AIs needed to be bought attained using significant professionalisation of clubs. Most Mayo clubs can barely afford sets of jerseys, never mind full time paid coaches subsidised by GAA HQ.

blanch152 · 15-08-2019 03:59PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

They beat the Dubs in 2006. While Mayo were average at the time, at least they were contesting AI finals.

And they didn't have a wealthy benefactor at the time who decided AIs needed to be bought attained using significant professionalisation of clubs. Most Mayo clubs can barely afford sets of jerseys, never mind full time paid coaches subsidised by GAA HQ.

You said 15 years ago it was more competitive.

I looked back at the 2004 All-Ireland Championship to remind me. Apart from Limerick, Kerry won every game by 7-8 points pulling away. They beat a poor Mayo team in the final. That Championship was nothing to write home about, the football that Kerry played wasn't all that great even though they were way ahead of everyone else, Fermanagh got to a semi-final the standard was so low. It might have been exciting at times - the Munster final, Fermanagh's run, but Armagh won the Ulster final by 13 points, Westmeath beat Laois 0-12 to 0-10 in a turgid match that would have the usual complainants about puke football throwing shapes about.

2004 wasn't a golden age of gaelic football by any standard whether that be competitiveness or quality.

RoyalCelt · 15-08-2019 04:00PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Or big Joe's rugby try against Louth.....
Meath's encroachment on penalty takers.... etc etc

At least the ref was terrible for Meath up until that point. Usually Dublin get the majority of the calls throughout and then the big ones near the end.

RoyalCelt · 15-08-2019 04:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You said 15 years ago it was more competitive.

I looked back at the 2004 All-Ireland Championship to remind me. Apart from Limerick, Kerry won every game by 7-8 points pulling away. They beat a poor Mayo team in the final. That Championship was nothing to write home about, the football that Kerry played wasn't all that great even though they were way ahead of everyone else, Fermanagh got to a semi-final the standard was so low. It might have been exciting at times - the Munster final, Fermanagh's run, but Armagh won the Ulster final by 13 points, Westmeath beat Laois 0-12 to 0-10 in a turgid match that would have the usual complainants about puke football throwing shapes about.

2004 wasn't a golden age of gaelic football by any standard whether that be competitiveness or quality.

Westmeath winning leinster made 2004 a brilliant year by default. Back in the days when the leinster championship was like a mini all Ireland. We'll never see those days again. Even though meath weren't winning I absolutely loved them.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 04:04PM

RoyalCelt wrote: »

At least the ref was terrible for Meath up until that point. Usually Dublin get the majority of the calls throughout and then the big ones near the end.

:rolleyes:

odyssey06 · 15-08-2019 04:04PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

It is completely unfair at this stage to expect the likes of Kerry, etc to have to play Dublin in AI semi finals at Croke Park, especially as crowds will be down in future.
Force Dublin out of Croker for AI semi finals. Make an effort to play all of them at genuinely neutral venues. Every Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry AI semi final against Dublin has been in Croker Park going back 80 or so years. A laughable advantage to Dublin which no longer should be tolerated in the interests of fair play.
And when people suggest Dublin being moved to a neutral venue you immediately get the "you're just bitter" nonsense.

I don't think it's completely unfair on Kerry, or those other teams.
For most of those decades it seemed to be a home away from home for them and they didn't seem to be at any disadvantage to Dublin.

I don't think it's bitter to suggest alternative venues, I would say more so from the point of view of the fans of other counties too, presuming there is a suitable stadium of large capacity with good transport links for both teams.
It shouldn't be an automatic that the semi finals are in Croke Park, nor should it be an automatic that it isn't in Croke Park, just because Dublin are playing.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 15-08-2019 04:05PM

Tyrone had a poor year in 2004. They lost to Mayo in the quarter finals.

I had forgotten that they went out to Laois in 2006. That result is bizarre looking back on it.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 04:11PM

RoyalCelt wrote: »

Westmeath winning leinster made 2004 a brilliant year by default. Back in the days when the leinster championship was like a mini all Ireland. We'll never see those days again. Even though meath weren't winning I absolutely loved them.

Yeah but you were missing the key point no Leinster team contested an all-Ireland final from 2002-2010 what does that tell you about the standard of Leinster?

Plus it is even worse when you consider the back door started in 2001, in football.

I remember Jarlath Burns used to say Down would win Leinster! (Used to rile me up - but he was probably right)

So was it good just because it was competitive and the standard was lower?
Rather than less competitive with a higher standard now from Dublin ?

Meath and Kildare should be taking a real hard look at themselves they are some of the causes for non-competitive leinster now.

ToBeFrank123 · 15-08-2019 04:16PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You said 15 years ago it was more competitive.

I looked back at the 2004 All-Ireland Championship to remind me. Apart from Limerick, Kerry won every game by 7-8 points pulling away. They beat a poor Mayo team in the final. That Championship was nothing to write home about, the football that Kerry played wasn't all that great even though they were way ahead of everyone else, Fermanagh got to a semi-final the standard was so low. It might have been exciting at times - the Munster final, Fermanagh's run, but Armagh won the Ulster final by 13 points, Westmeath beat Laois 0-12 to 0-10 in a turgid match that would have the usual complainants about puke football throwing shapes about.

2004 wasn't a golden age of gaelic football by any standard whether that be competitiveness or quality.

Would you have been able to predict the winner of the 2004 of 2005 championship before a ball was kicked?

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 15-08-2019 04:17PM

It would seem that once Tyrone went out, Kerry would win.

ToBeFrank123 · 15-08-2019 04:20PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yeah but you were missing the key point no Leinster team contested an all-Ireland final from 2002-2010 what does that tell you about the standard of Leinster?

Plus it is even worse when you consider the back door started in 2001, in football.

I remember Jarlath Burns used to say Down would win Leinster! (Used to rile me up - but he was probably right)

So was it good just because it was competitive and the standard was lower?
Rather than less competitive with a higher standard now from Dublin ?

Meath and Kildare should be taking a real hard look at themselves they are some of the causes for non-competitive leinster now.

No-one has an issue with raising the standard of a province provided you do it fairly and across the board. But that's not what the GAA and Bertie did. They threw vast amounts into Dublin.

ToBeFrank123 · 15-08-2019 04:21PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

It would seem that once Tyrone went out, Kerry would win.

Before a ball was kicked though? You would have said Tyrone or Kerry at the very least.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 04:28PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Would you have been able to predict the winner of the 2004 of 2005 championship before a ball was kicked?

Most would have said Kerry/Tyrone based on previous form.
But you are right you would not have been considered mad if you thought in Armagh/Galway

In the next decade I assume it will just be people saying Kerry/Dublin (if Dublin keep Jim) after that it will be pot luck

Whichever form team emerges:
- maybe Cork, maybe Tyrone if they change manager, and Donegal will be there or there abouts.

Mayo will have to rebuild - Galway need an attacking manager - Meath need a few forwards.

gormdubhgorm · 15-08-2019 04:32PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

No-one has an issue with raising the standard of a province provided you do it fairly and across the board. But that's not what the GAA and Bertie did. They threw vast amounts into Dublin.

Charlie McCreevey was a great man for helping out Kildare

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/lilywhites-tackle-200000-deficit-172693.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/minister-sees-promised-land-1.195588?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fsport%2Fminister-sees-promised-land-1.195588

https://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=433.45

https://www.the42.ie/snapshot-charlie-mccreevy-on-the-bench-for-kildare-u21s-878045-Apr2013/

Big supporter of the K club as well

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mccreevy-used-1-6m-loan-for-a-luxury-k-club-home-26593982.html

blanch152 · 15-08-2019 04:36PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Before a ball was kicked though? You would have said Tyrone or Kerry at the very least.

The seven All-Irelands between 2003 and 2009, the golden era of competitiveness according to you, were all won by either Tyrone or Kerry.

It would only have taken a few kicks of the ball to say the same about 2013-2019 with Dublin and Mayo being the two. The fact that this Dublin team are just that little bit better than any of the teams of the last 60-70 years makes the four-in-a-row exceptional and is cruel on Mayo. However, as Daragh O'Se put it in the Irish Times, the scoreboard tells the story.

The standard of football this decade, certainly as played by Dublin, is far higher than the standard of football played by those Kerry and Tyrone teams.

Looking back, 2012 and 2014 were the two years that Mayo let it slip.

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