Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

woohoo!!! · 14-08-2019 11:40PM

Whilst the narrative of undemocratic backstop and collaborators is the latest clever wheeze from Cummings front man Johnson, a combination of the sheer stupidity of no deal Brexit and it's negative economic impacts and the possibility of a global recession looming, events are looking like they're going to outpace the clever wheezes. The tories are looking at a FF type collapse in short order at this rate. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

J Mysterio · 15-08-2019 12:14AM

Arron Banks, ladies and gentlemen.

https://twitter.com/arron_banks/status/1161747086616010752

Tell me how · 15-08-2019 12:18AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Arron Banks, ladies and gentlemen.

Response from JHB.

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161749293792989185

He's a nasty piece of work.

J Mysterio · 15-08-2019 12:20AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Response from JHB.

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161749293792989185

He's a nasty piece of work.

She's a nasty piece of work too.

Tell me how · 15-08-2019 12:24AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Emma Barnett once again getting key politicans to admit the BS they are a part of.

..........

As always, comments are interesting as Brexiteers immediately go to suggesting that Emma has an agenda and so they ignore the floundering from the ministers.

Brother actually sent me this clip just now. I listened to it again, once thing I think is very interesting is that when Emma asked IDS what the government is doing now which it said it was doing previously but not doing, he responded that (paraphrasing here) "they are doing all sorts of things and that the Prime Minister, Michael Gove and Dominic Cummings are all focused on...."

One of the key people he mentioned, along with the PM and someone with responsibility for No Deal preparations was an unelected special adviser... And they go on and on about unelected bureaucrats in the EU.

Tell me how · 15-08-2019 12:34AM

J Mysterio wrote: »

She's a nasty piece of work too.

Yeah, that's what made it interesting, if JHB is remonstrating with you, you're wayyyy out of line.

Imreoir2 · 15-08-2019 12:58AM

Tell me how wrote: »

One of the key people he mentioned, along with the PM and someone with responsibility for No Deal preparations was an unelected special adviser... And they go on and on about unelected bureaucrats in the EU.

Do you expect them to act with honesty and integrity?

Tell me how · 15-08-2019 01:17AM

Imreoir2 wrote: »

Do you expect them to act with honesty and integrity?

It's just that many examplea that undermine their arguments are nearly cringe worthy in how obvious they are.

I wonder do they, in the privacy of their own homes, lament about what they have done.

Stop moaning ffs · 15-08-2019 01:24AM

I wouldn’t even blink if boris were to go full Winston cosplay now and invade Ireland. Make the paddies pay for this outrage. Just as his hero did.

15-08-2019 01:29AM

Corbyn making a move. Finally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-pm-block-no-deal-brexit-cross-party-general-election-a9058886.html

BonnieSituation · 15-08-2019 01:36AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Corbyn making a move. Finally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-pm-block-no-deal-brexit-cross-party-general-election-a9058886.html

Nothing new there really though.

15-08-2019 01:37AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Nothing new there really though.

Probably not realistically no.

Enzokk · 15-08-2019 06:56AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Probably not realistically no.

If he really was interested in stopping no-deal and a new general election he would stand aside. He knows there are Tories that will not back him personally, but if he put forth someone else who is respected on both sides to do this same job it would work. Interesting that Labour didn't do this.

Either they are not interested to make this work, or they are so insecure that they don't want to see this succeed without the leader at the head of it.

20silkcut · 15-08-2019 07:17AM

Enzokk wrote: »

I haven't listened to the interview yet but for those that are looking for it, it can be find at the link below.

https://www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/london

Just pick the Ian Dale show and forward to the interview. Seems to be 12 minutes in, just use the 30 second fast forward button to get there.

He should have said, (when Iain dale said “ no deal it is so”) that is entirely up to parliament.
I’d rather see IRL/ EU appear nonchalant to the ongoings at westminster.

maynooth_rules · 15-08-2019 07:58AM

Poll out today says that the UK would vote 55% remain. Is it just me that finds that incredible. The pond tanking, Trump ready to hoover up the best bits of the NHS, the clear lie and lie that people were fed, the risk of peace in NI, the guaranteed break up of the Union, and still 45% think brexit is a good idea. Just flabbergasting. Brexit has become a cult that must be defended to the death for some people. I know it sounds insulting, but it doesn't speak very well of the intellect of the average voter in the UK

maynooth_rules · 15-08-2019 08:00AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Corbyn making a move. Finally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-pm-block-no-deal-brexit-cross-party-general-election-a9058886.html

Yeah so he can push through his 'jobs first brexit'. Bloody lunacy. If brexit happens, it will have happened because of the dreadful leadership of Corbyn. He had an open goal numerous times

Peregrinus · 15-08-2019 08:04AM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Poll out today says that the UK would vote 55% remain. Is it just me that finds that incredible. The pond tanking, Trump ready to hoover up the best bits of the NHS, the clear lie and lie that people were fed, the risk of peace in NI, the guaranteed break up of the Union, and still 45% think brexit is a good idea. Just flabbergasting. Brexit has become a cult that must be defended to the death for some people. I know it sounds insulting, but it doesn't speak very well of the intellect of the average voter in the UK

They don't necessarily think Brexit is a good idea. Presumably some of them think that, while others think that at some point you have to commit to a decision and stick with it; otherwise nothing ever gets decided. Government is paralysed if every decision is constantly liable to reversal. And, for them, the point where you should commit is when you've decided something by referendum. Still others might think that, regardless of whether Brexit is a wise policy, it would be detrimental to democracy to try to reverse a referendum outcome.

Igotadose · 15-08-2019 08:21AM

20silkcut wrote: »

He should have said, (when Iain dale said “ no deal it is so”) that is entirely up to parliament.
I’d rather see IRL/ EU appear nonchalant to the ongoings at westminster.

Iain Dale should be told his NHS coverage is at risk due to no-deal Brexit and maybe some of the smug would be wiped away. The arrogance of these guys parroting Tory party dogma...

LeinsterDub · 15-08-2019 08:37AM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Corbyn making a move. Finally.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-pm-block-no-deal-brexit-cross-party-general-election-a9058886.html

Unfortunately we aren't allowed post gifs because his 'policies' can be described perfectly by Vikky Pollard. Yeah but no but yeah but no.

lawred2 · 15-08-2019 08:41AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Unfortunately we aren't allowed post gifs because his 'policies' can be described perfectly by Vikky Pollard. Yeah but no but yeah but no.

Can't see too many people backing him.. I don't think he's trustworthy.

Having said that maybe that's not relevant. He wouldn't have the numbers to do anything other than what he promised as the lib Dems and SNP won't wait around too long for him to call that election.

McGiver · 15-08-2019 08:53AM

lawred2 wrote: »

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Unfortunately we aren't allowed post gifs because his 'policies' can be described perfectly by Vikky Pollard. Yeah but no but yeah but no.

Can't see too many people backing him.. I don't think he's trustworthy.

Having said that maybe that's not relevant. He wouldn't have the numbers to do anything other than what he promised as the lib Dems and SNP won't wait around too long for him to call that election.

He's now the main obstacle to preventing No Deal and Brexit itself. Now, that the remain alliance has coalesced, Labour cooperation is critical.
I suspect he has actually offered to be the interim PM knowing no one will support him and thus actually causing the crash-out. He's an Obstructionist and thinks he's smart. I can see Watson or someone else high enough in Labour making a move and create a revolt.

LeinsterDub · 15-08-2019 08:55AM

Tell me how wrote: »

Response from JHB.

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161749293792989185

He's a nasty piece of work.

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161707706790621184

Some hypocrite she is

Dytalus · 15-08-2019 08:58AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161707706790621184

Some hypocrite she is

To be fair, making fun of a child is pretty bad but it's not near the level of not-so-subtly wishing a lethal accident on her. As awful as JHB may be, it's reasonable enough that that would be her line.

ISOP · 15-08-2019 09:04AM

Igotadose wrote: »

Iain Dale should be told his NHS coverage is at risk due to no-deal Brexit and maybe some of the smug would be wiped away. The arrogance of these guys parroting Tory party dogma...

Iain Dale is incredibly smug, a real little englander

Quin_Dub · 15-08-2019 09:13AM

McGiver wrote: »

He's now the main obstacle to preventing No Deal and Brexit itself. Now, that the remain alliance has coalesced, Labour cooperation is critical.
I suspect he has actually offered to be the interim PM knowing no one will support him and thus actually causing the crash-out. He's an Obstructionist and thinks he's smart. I can see Watson or someone else high enough in Labour making a move and create a revolt.

TBF People have been saying/hoping that since about 5 minutes after he got elected leader.

The fundamental issue with the entire Brexit shambles is that for every single one of those involved, the single most important thing is not delivering Brexit or doing what's best for the people of the UK. The only thing that matters to any of them is getting or keeping power.

They don't care what happens as long as they win the next GE and get into power. They are willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to achieve that goal.

Politicians are generally self serving , but the behaviour of the entire Political class in the UK in the last few years has been utterly appalling.

marno21 · 15-08-2019 09:17AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161707706790621184

Some hypocrite she is

“Look at all those snowflakes whining”

It’s evident from the replies that the objective of that tweet has been met.

lawred2 · 15-08-2019 10:13AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161707706790621184

Some hypocrite she is

that is one toxic thread

johnnyskeleton · 15-08-2019 10:20AM

Mod note:

Morning folks, just had a look at a few posts overnight which are of the one line personal attack on a politician or media personality. As per the charter, lets discuss the policies they espouse rather than commenting on their characters please.

upupup · 15-08-2019 10:22AM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I wouldn’t even blink if boris were to go full Winston cosplay now and invade Ireland. Make the paddies pay for this outrage. Just as his hero did.

That was tried before and it did not work,my grandfathers and his friends made life too hard for them,,,its just a pity they hadn't the weapons to free the whole island.

"I joined the flying column in 1916"

10000maniacs · 15-08-2019 10:58AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1161707706790621184

Some hypocrite she is

One great thing about the Brexit mess in the UK is that it separated the Republicans from the patriots. Brewer is doing what you would expect any hate filled UK republican would do, Ridicule,vilify and troll somebody who does not share her views. Does not matter that this 16 year old girl should have a bigger say in the future of the planet, Brewer is chugging along nicely towards old age, like the vast majority of the Brexiters.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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