Air travel and tourism - are they doomed?

elefant wrote: »

A couple of flights from Knock to Malaga isn't going to tip the scales on turning the earth into a fiery deathball.

I'd be slightly less sympathetic towards businessmen flying for day trips between Europe and Japan 40 times a year.

Agree on this also

99.9 percent of business can be conducted over this new fangled technology called “Skype”!

Or even email and phone. Or the humble snail mail even.

The aviation industry of course wants all these needless pointless travel to continue unabated while the planet goes to hell environmentally

kneemos wrote: »

It's a pointless exercise. The only reason she's doing it is because she doesn't want the backlash on social media of taking a flight.

I never said it wasn't pointless.

Those boats are made using many energy consuming methods, costing a lot of money, not to mention the vast amounts of petro-chemicals used in their construction.

A publicity stunt is all this is.

She is saying this is the only way she can get to America emission free! This method is far from emission free. A boat like this, will have 2-3 new suits of sails for every season (and probably a new set for every big race), and the glues alone in making such sails, would last a primary school about 10 years!! (not that a school would be allowed to use them as they are highly toxic)

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I use Skype as much as possible for business and seriously its 99.99 percent effective.

No need for these time wasting business jollies

Where do you go on holiday? Hmm?

whisky_galore wrote: »

Where do you go on holiday? Hmm?

I Stay Irish.

I’ve No patience for the cheap air fares lark

Tax the carrier. Tax the individual fares (green tax) and tax the daa itself. Make it completely uneconomic for huge amounts of routes in and out of Ireland.

Funnel that tax income into green solutions.

Let Irish ppl holiday local and as I say Skype is your friend for business trips.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fyi


There’s more carbon dioxide in our atmosphere than any time in human history

theres also more people, a smaller % of people in poverty, less infant mortality, less starvation, less war, less ignorance, less cruelty. where does this get us?

Graces7 wrote: »

:eek: and

I have not flown since I came to Ireland nearly 20 years ago. Nor been out of Ireland have no desire or need to. Holidays are not compulsory! Vastly overrated...

Lovely day outside... sunshine and blue sky.. Revelling in the peace and plenty... Oh and I did not replace my old car

Choosing to live simply is just that; choosing, not going with the herd. deciding what to do...

Loving the way of life chosen. Happy that yes it does less harm than other ways
PS eat not beef and have never eaten an avocado..

yes but with respect you are retired. some of us need holidays. do we need them to be foreign? No possibly not. But it is nice to visit friends and family abroad. very hard to put that genie back in the bottle.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fyi


There’s more carbon dioxide in our atmosphere than any time in human history

In May, sensors at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii – which has tracked Earth’s atmospheric concentration of CO2 since the late 1950s – detected a CO2 concentration of 415.26 ppm. The last time Earth's atmosphere contained this much CO2 was more than three million years ago, when sea levels were several metres higher and trees grew at the South Pole. Scientists have warned that carbon dioxide levels higher than 450ppm are likely to lock in catastrophic and irreversible changes in the climate. Around half of the CO2 emitted since 1750 has been in the last 40 years.

Those bloody humans caused that 3 million years ago too

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not hard

Just green tax the industry. Job done. Ppl will adapt and holiday here rather than Ibiza or wherever

Good luck with that.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Fyi


There’s more carbon dioxide in our atmosphere than any time in human history

In May, sensors at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii – which has tracked Earth’s atmospheric concentration of CO2 since the late 1950s – detected a CO2 concentration of 415.26 ppm. The last time Earth's atmosphere contained this much CO2 was more than three million years ago, when sea levels were several metres higher and trees grew at the South Pole. Scientists have warned that carbon dioxide levels higher than 450ppm are likely to lock in catastrophic and irreversible changes in the climate. Around half of the CO2 emitted since 1750 has been in the last 40 years.

And yet we have had warmer periods.
There is no actual proof CO² is responsible, just a correlation between it and rising temperature.

Man made CO2 makes up something like ten thousands of one percent of the atmosphere at the moment.
There is also a theory the extra CO2 facilities more plant life.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Tax the carrier. Tax the individual fares (green tax) and tax the daa itself. Make it completely uneconomic for huge amounts of routes in and out of Ireland.

Funnel that tax income into green solutions.

Let Irish ppl holiday local and as I say Skype is your friend for business trips.

That's the problem with the green movement - the answer to everything is more taxes. And telling people they should be spending their holidays sitting in the rain eating lentils (definitely not a steak). It's why although there can be a periodic surge in support for green ideals, the reality ends up turning people off. Look how the Green party did in the general election after they were last in power. Even the latest "surge" in support in Ireland was actually only approx. 8% of the vote.

Additional taxes won't be funneled into green solutions, at least not in a meaningful way. All taxes go into the "black hole" to bribe whatever lobby happens to be shouting loudest at the time. The government is specifically prevented from "ring fencing" tax income like that (see Sugar Taxes).

The green movement needs to start communicating its message better. Use a little more carrot, a lot less stick. People have always railed against being told how to live by self-appointed groups.

I’m looking at solutions for Ireland

We can only do so much here

I would like to see a drastic reduction in flights here

I would like to see Dublin airport wound down until a zero Carbon aviation industry is commonplace.

So taxation is the answer.

Joe and Josephine soap can still go on their hols to Santa ponza Once they are happy to pay the additional green tax on their fare

Ppl who hol here could get a tax break to encourage it.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Thus effectively killing our tourism industry, and by extension, our economy. Nice.




OK, fair enough, a little extreme (see my point above), but fair enough



But I thought Dublin airport was wound down until we had zero carbon avation.. Now I'm confused.

I mean continuously wound down over years. Not just shut down completely on an arbitrary date.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

still killing our tourism industry though, just a bit slower.

How about solar powered cruises around Ireland which drops off tourists at various locations.

Huge marketing possibilities there.

Ireland - the green island