Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 04:41PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I listening to someone who has actually seen the intelligence hidden from the public. Bob Baer is one of most repected intelligence officers the US. He is insider reason news outlets bring him on CNN and Fox News.

Show us the part where he explains the bombs in the towers thanks

The Nal · 14-08-2019 04:44PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And there's your answer right there.

Another appeal to authority of isolated experts who never have a f--king clue what happened. Useless information.

For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with.

Robert Baer. 2007.

I know him well. He did that awful Tracking Oswald documentary series https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6830318/ and another terrible one on hunting Hitler. Seems an ok fella. Sits on the fence, loves words like "maybe" "what if" and "probably", throws out the odd taster to conspiracy nutters to keep them interested, writes books, appears on TV and gets paid well.

One guy, no evidence. Smart though. Knows how to manipulate a certain demographic.

Cheerful Spring touting this guy as proof of an inside job when he admits himself that he doesnt know who did it.

Top banter.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 04:44PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I listening to someone who has actually seen the intelligence hidden from the public. Bob Baer is one of most repected intelligence officers the US. He is insider reason news outlets bring him on CNN and Fox News.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baer

1 year ago to talk about Russiagate- CNN.

Oh look it took me a few seconds to find this quote from him

"For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with."

So he completely and utterly contradicts your beliefs yet you will use him anyway because when you are scraping the very bottom of the barrel it doesn't matter

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 04:45PM

The Nal wrote: »

For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with.

Robert Baer. 2007.

I know him well. He did that awful Tracking Oswald documentary series https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6830318/ and another terrible one on hunting Hitler. Seems an ok fella. Sits on the fence, loves words like "maybe" "what if" and "probably", throws out the odd taster to conspiracy nutters to keep them interested, writes books, appears on TV and gets paid well.

One guy, no evidence. Smart though. Knows how to manipulate a certain demographic.

Cheerful Spring touting this guy as proof of an inside job when he admits himself that he doesnt know who did it.

Top banter.

haha

The Nal · 14-08-2019 04:46PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

haha

Its spectacular contradiction and stupidity isn't it? Breathtaking.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 04:49PM

The Nal wrote: »

Its spectacular contradiction and stupidity isn't it? Breathtaking.

It gets better, in 2015 Baer worked on a documentary series on History channel - "JFK Declassified: Tracking Oswald"

The Nal · 14-08-2019 04:56PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It gets better, in 2015 Baer worked on a documentary series on History channel - "JFK Declassified: Tracking Oswald"

Yeah referenced that above. It is awful. History channel did 3 of them - Oswald, Zodiac Killer and Hitler. He did the Oswald and Hitler ones. They go nowhere. Lots of "on location" rubbish, fast editing and Gladiator music that leads to nothing. Over 6 episodes.

Anyway he concludes it was Oswald and agrees with the single bullet theory. Dont bother watching it though.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 05:09PM

The Nal wrote: »

For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with.

Robert Baer. 2007.

I know him well. He did that awful Tracking Oswald documentary series https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6830318/ and another terrible one on hunting Hitler. Seems an ok fella. Sits on the fence, loves words like "maybe" "what if" and "probably", throws out the odd taster to conspiracy nutters to keep them interested, writes books, appears on TV and gets paid well.

One guy, no evidence. Smart though. Knows how to manipulate a certain demographic.

Cheerful Spring touting this guy as proof of an inside job when he admits himself that he doesnt know who did it.

Top banter.

Quote with no source.

Either way- So what he entitled to his opinion.

Of course you ignore he provided info on foreknowledge, Mossad 9/11 links, Bandar and 9/11 and someone in the White House had Foreknowledge.

Is this not evidence of a secret plot? According you guys its just Al Qeada and them alone.

You kidding nobody. You guys never watched it and Hunting Hitler was an excellent show. They discovered evidence in Chile- Hitler right hand man Martin Bormann was alive. They also discovered a nuclear facility in the Jungle of Argentina. Nazi camps and barracks in the jungle. The Nazis worked with the Chilean government to torture and kill people. Nazis were trying to set up a fourth Reich in South America. It frightening, hidden and forgotten history.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 05:15PM

The Nal wrote: »

Yeah referenced that above. It is awful. History channel did 3 of them - Oswald, Zodiac Killer and Hitler. He did the Oswald and Hitler ones. They go nowhere. Lots of "on location" rubbish, fast editing and Gladiator music that leads to nothing. Over 6 episodes.

Anyway he concludes it was Oswald and agrees with the single bullet theory. Dont bother watching it though.

False actually they found plenty of evidence there was a conspiracy. Got Cancelled after one season mysteriously. I suspect someone appied pressure to stop the show.

Hunting Hitler title turns people off. The show lot better than you think.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 05:24PM

They found this Nazi Nuclear faciility on a Island, very strange. Off topic for the thread though.

The Nal · 14-08-2019 05:28PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

False actually they found plenty of evidence there was a conspiracy. Got Cancelled after one season mysteriously. I suspect someone appied pressure to stop the show.

lol

Tabloid reality documentaries.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It frightening, hidden and forgotten history.

No its not. My Crazy Life by Katie Price has more credibility. Ronald Richters "nuclear program" has been well known for decades. Like, 70 years! Nothing ever came of it. They didnt find "this Nazi Nuclear faciility on a Island". Its been there since the late 40s! lol.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Quote with no source.

Here you go

http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1692518,00.html

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Either way- So what he entitled to his opinion.

But you're the one who cites him as a credible source! Debunking your own theories again within the same post.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 05:42PM

The Nal wrote: »

lol

http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1692518,00.html

But you're the one who cites him as a credible source! Debunking your own theories again within the same post.

Thanks for the link and you only read the part you liked.

When Abu Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan in 2002, two ATM cards were found on him. One was issued by a bank in Saudi Arabia (a bank close to the Saudi royal family) and the other to a bank in Kuwait. As I understand it, neither Kuwait nor Saudi Arabia has been able to tell us who fed the accounts. Also, apparently, when Abu Zubaydah was captured, telephone records, including calls to the United States, were found in the house he was living in. The calls stopped on September 10, and resumed on September 16. There's nothing in the 9/11 Commission report about any of this, and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed.

If this sounds like paranoia, it is. But the CIA certainly is not helping by destroying evidence. And they should know better than to destroy evidence in the biggest criminal case in American history. More than anything what we need right now is complete and total transparency on 9/11.

Abu Zubaydah is very important as one of the phone numbers belonged to Prince Bandar.

The Nal · 14-08-2019 05:43PM

"apparently"

"I have no idea"

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 05:47PM

The Nal wrote: »

"apparently"

"I have no idea"

Al Qaeda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Zubaydah

Status: Indefinitely detained without trial. Of course he never be allowed to speak and tell his story.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 05:49PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Quote with no source.

Either way- So what he entitled to his opinion.

"So what"?

You bring him up as a source and he directly contradicts your theory

The Nal · 14-08-2019 05:50PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Al Qaeda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Zubaydah

Status: Indefinitely detained without trial. Of course he never be allowed to speak and tell his story.

14-08-2019 05:50PM

The Nal wrote: »

For the record, I don't believe that the World Trade Center was brought down by our own explosives, or that a rocket, rather than an airliner, hit the Pentagon. I spent a career in the CIA trying to orchestrate plots, wasn't all that good at it, and certainly couldn't carry off 9/11. Nor could the real pros I had the pleasure to work with.

Robert Baer. 2007.

I know him well. He did that awful Tracking Oswald documentary series https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6830318/ and another terrible one on hunting Hitler. Seems an ok fella. Sits on the fence, loves words like "maybe" "what if" and "probably", throws out the odd taster to conspiracy nutters to keep them interested, writes books, appears on TV and gets paid well.

One guy, no evidence. Smart though. Knows how to manipulate a certain demographic.

Cheerful Spring touting this guy as proof of an inside job when he admits himself that he doesnt know who did it.

Top banter.

Guess that's yet another expert cheerful is pretending to be more expert than...

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 05:55PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

"So what"?

You bring him up as a source and he directly contradicts your theory

He does not agree with you guys Al Qaeda acted alone. He agrees with me,.

Yes, he does not agree explosives brought down the building. He got no reason to suspect foul play there and thats fine..

The Nal · 14-08-2019 05:56PM

King Mob wrote: »

Guess that's yet another expert cheerful is pretending to be more expert than...

I would wager that Cheerful only heard of this guy today.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

He does not agree with you guys Al Qaeda acted alone. He agrees with me,.

Yes, he does not agree explosives brought down the building. He got no reason to suspect foul play there and thats fine..

He thinks Iran may have been involved but hes not sure and has no evidence. He agrees that Al Qaeda did it, that the CIA were not involved, that there were no explosives, that planes hit the buildings, that Oswald was the only shooter, that the single bullet is fact...

He completely disagrees with you about almost everything to do with 9/11 and the JFK assassination.

Read up about these people before citing them as references.

14-08-2019 05:58PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

He does not agree with you guys Al Qaeda acted alone. He agrees with me,.

Yes, he does not agree explosives brought down the building. He got no reason to suspect foul play there and thats fine..

Why is he wrong though?
Why does he not confirm your theory?
Why did you pretend he agrees with you?

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 06:04PM

The Nal wrote: »

You guys are not interested in knowing the truth, we all know that. You can't deny someone right to due process.

Abu Zubaydah locked up in a cell indefinite. This a Nazi way of dealing with people. Of course we saw what these thugs did to Assange recently and media calling him a criminal. They are kind of people you cheerlead for.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 06:04PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Yes, he does not agree explosives brought down the building. He got no reason to suspect foul play there and thats fine..

You 100% state as fact that explosives brought the buildings down - this man completely contradicts you

You are so obsessed that the "official story" can't be true, you will back someone who contradicts you. That's so far into cognitive dissonance I don't know what to say.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 06:08PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You 100% state as fact that explosives brought the buildings down - this man completely contradicts you

You are so obsessed that the "official story" can't be true, you will back someone who contradicts you. That's so far into cognitive dissonance I don't know what to say.

So what- he agrees with me Al Qaeda did not act alone. Does he agree with your statements it all conspiracy?

In time he maybe change his mind about explosives. I have faith, the Hulsey study will deliver and change minds.

14-08-2019 06:09PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

So what- he agrees with me Al Qaeda did not act alone. Does he agree with your statements it all conspiracy?

In time he maybe change his mind about explosives. I have faith, the Hulsey study will deliver and change minds.

Lol, this is hilarious.

banie01 · 14-08-2019 06:15PM

At this point I'm going to suggest we just remove the labels from any cleaning products and medicines along with applying bleach to all the windows!

Then I think this particular nonsense will resolve itself....

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The Nal · 14-08-2019 06:17PM

You know you've run out of information or a point of view when "so what" is the best you can come up with when presented with contradicting fact.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 06:20PM

The Nal wrote: »

I would wager that Cheerful only heard of this guy today.

He thinks Iran may have been involved but hes not sure and has no evidence. He agrees that Al Qaeda did it, that the CIA were not involved, that there were no explosives, that planes hit the buildings, that Oswald was the only shooter, that the single bullet is fact...

He completely disagrees with you about almost everything to do with 9/11 and the JFK assassination.

Read up about these people before citing them as references.

You don't even read your links.

Posted from your link.
It isn't going to help that the Abu Zubaydah investigation has a lot of problems even without destroyed evidence. When Abu Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan in 2002, two ATM cards were found on him. One was issued by a bank in Saudi Arabia (a bank close to the Saudi royal family) and the other to a bank in Kuwait. As I understand it, neither Kuwait nor Saudi Arabia has been able to tell us who fed the accounts. Also, apparently, when Abu Zubaydah was captured, telephone records, including calls to the United States, were found in the house he was living in. The calls stopped on September 10, and resumed on September 16. There's nothing in the 9/11 Commission report about any of this, and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed.

If this sounds like paranoia, it is. But the CIA certainly is not helping by destroying evidence. And they should know better than to destroy evidence in the biggest criminal case in American history. More than anything what we need right now is complete and total transparency on 9/11.

Destroying evidence is crime if you not aware.
Abu Zubaydah involved in 9/11 attacks was telephoning Prince Bandar on Sep 10th and Again on Sep 16th.

You don't understand it thats the problem

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 06:32PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

So what- he agrees with me Al Qaeda did not act alone. Does he agree with your statements it all conspiracy?

In time he maybe change his mind about explosives. I have faith, the Hulsey study will deliver and change minds.

It's not about people changing their minds. It's not a religion either. But you treat it as such.

The Nal · 14-08-2019 06:55PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You don't even read your links.

Posted from your link.
It isn't going to help that the Abu Zubaydah investigation has a lot of problems even without destroyed evidence. When Abu Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan in 2002, two ATM cards were found on him. One was issued by a bank in Saudi Arabia (a bank close to the Saudi royal family) and the other to a bank in Kuwait. As I understand it, neither Kuwait nor Saudi Arabia has been able to tell us who fed the accounts. Also, apparently, when Abu Zubaydah was captured, telephone records, including calls to the United States, were found in the house he was living in. The calls stopped on September 10, and resumed on September 16. There's nothing in the 9/11 Commission report about any of this, and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed.

If this sounds like paranoia, it is. But the CIA certainly is not helping by destroying evidence. And they should know better than to destroy evidence in the biggest criminal case in American history. More than anything what we need right now is complete and total transparency on 9/11.

Destroying evidence is crime if you not aware.
Abu Zubaydah involved in 9/11 attacks was telephoning Prince Bandar on Sep 10th and Again on Sep 16th.

You don't understand it thats the problem

"and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed."

He says he has NO IDEA if evidence was destroyed.

But you've only heard of him today. Go read some more about him.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 07:17PM

The Nal wrote: »

"and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed."

He says he has NO IDEA if evidence was destroyed.

But you've only heard of him today. Go read some more about him.

From your link.
At a time when Congressional Democrats are trying once again to pass a torture ban, it's a given that the revelation is going to further inflame the torture debate — since the tapes apparently showed harsh interrogation techniques. The assumption will be that the CIA did not want the tapes seen in public because they are too graphic and could lead to indictments.

But more to the point, the revelation will raise another question: What other evidence has the CIA destroyed? And can the CIA be trusted to tell us? The CIA had told the 9/11 Commission, when it formally requested such materials, that there was no taping of interrogations. CIA lawyers also told federal prosecutors trying the Zacarias Moussaoui terror case that the agency did not possess recordings of interrogations sought by the judge and Moussaoui's defense lawyers. The CIA insists that the tapes destroyed were not the ones in question.

CIA destroyed interrogration tapes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_videotapes_destruction.

The 9/11 commission report came out in July 2004. You guys claim its complete record of the 9/11 attack. Obviously not.
. There's nothing in the 9/11 Commission report about any of this, and I have no idea whether the leads were run down, the evidence lost or destroyed.

Nal will continue on despite this video and claim the CIA told us everything we need to know about JFK and 9/11.

Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

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