Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

13-08-2019 04:34PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

No.

Why didn't they say that?
Why didn't they confirm all your bizarre ideas about the event?
Why are they wrong, but you right?
Do you know more than them?
Are you more knowledgeable, or have more expertise despite how your own posts show that you have neither knowledge or expertise...?

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2019 07:39PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

No.

Here is the list of players you believe pulled off 911 as an inside job. You have never substantiated this or provided supporting evidence.

Larry Silverstein
His insurers
Saudi Princes and officials
Bush
Rumsfeld
Cheney
NORAD
CIA Mujahideen
NIST investigators
Mossad (possibly)
US military (unspecified generals)
Various unspecified businessmen
Pakistani ISI

Note how Al Qaeda aren't there. The final report by the FBI details Al Qaeda as being solely responsible for the attacks.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 01:56PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Here is the list of players you believe pulled off 911 as an inside job. You have never substantiated this or provided supporting evidence.
Larry Silverstein

His insurers

Saudi Princes and officials

Bush

Rumsfeld

Cheney

NORAD

CIA Mujahideen

NIST investigators

Mossad (possibly)

US military (unspecified generals)

Various unspecified businessmen

Pakistani ISI

Note how Al Qaeda aren't there. The final report by the FBI details Al Qaeda as being solely responsible for the attacks.

Saudi Arabia, Israel and United states have the same goal to change the Middle East for decades.

Saudi Arabia sponsored Al Qaeda, it's a proxy milita army. Exact same way Iran sponsors Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houtis in Yemen. Bin Laden was a Saudi born Citizen. 15 of the 19- 9/11 hijackers were also Saudi Citizens. You just failing to piece it altogether here why Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11

Dick Cheney, Rumsfield and other neocons after 9/11 were appearing on News media channels in the United States claiming Al Qeada was sponsored by Iraq and Iran. The neocon propaganda lies was not dismissed by the official media in the US. They siged on and supported the US military industrial complex war aganist Iraq and supported it wholeheartedly. Saudi Arabia was not named as a sponsor of terror!

Saudis are now destroying Syria, armed, and financed Al Qaeda sponsored groups to take out Assad. Well you think everyone fighting Assad are just democrat freedom loving Syrians, but thats another conversation

Consider this, the CIA has a history of sponsoring armed insurgent groups, planning coups and starting false flags to overthrow foreign governments since the 50s. Even democratically elected governments were taken out by CIA funded goons. Have you even read the Barry Seal story? The CIA allowed drugs to come into US so they could buy guns for insurgents in Central America. They did give a **** about ordinary people and laws of the country. They were doing all this in secret till they got caught.

The Nal · 14-08-2019 02:03PM

World view - find a conspiracy.

Always the problem with conspiracy theorists. Not a jot of evidence there. Just a stream of consciousness.

Heres Bin Laden admitting to masterminding 9/11.

This is called "evidence".

"we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.... We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on.... Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qaida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group.... The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes"

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 02:16PM

The Nal wrote: »

World view - find a conspiracy.

Always the problem with conspiracy theorists. Not a jot of evidence there. Just a stream of consciousness.

Heres Bin Laden admitting to masterminding 9/11.

This is called "evidence".

"we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.... We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on.... Muhammad (Atta) from the Egyptian family (meaning the Al Qaida Egyptian group), was in charge of the group.... The brothers, who conducted the operation, all they knew was that they have a martyrdom operation and we asked each of them to go to America but they didn't know anything about the operation, not even one letter. But they were trained and we did not reveal the operation to them until they are there and just before they boarded the planes"

Bin Laden says he wasn't behind attacks - September 17 ... - CNN.com

www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
Sep 17, 2001 - Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the ... Report cites warnings before 9/11.

CNN Articles like this are now getting scrubbed from the internet. Of course they trying to hide information. I posted the full link before with information, now all left is the headline.

That quote is debunked as you well know, yet you keep posting it.

Overheal · 14-08-2019 02:23PM

The earlier denial is blown out of the water given that video was released on December 13, 2001, where he took responsibility for the attacks.

The Nal · 14-08-2019 02:27PM

Overheal wrote: »

The earlier denial is blown out of the water given that video was released on December 13, 2001, where he took responsibility for the attacks.

And many times after.

Thats a garden variety conspiracy theory tactic though. Continually using old debunked "evidence".

CNN scrubbing articles but still leaving them up when you search on Google. lol.

Overheal · 14-08-2019 02:27PM

Correction: the 10/29/2004 video is where he takes credit.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 02:38PM

The Nal wrote: »

And many times after.

Thats a garden variety conspiracy theory tactic though. Continually using old debunked "evidence".

CNN scrubbing articles but still leaving them up when you search on Google. lol.

Google removing 9/11 conspiracy sites for two years now. They leave the headline there, but when you click the link you all you see is the page not working. The most popular 9/11 site on Reddit got quarantined. Youtube there also trying to stop people from watching 9/11 video conspiracy videos. If you type in 9/11 conspiracy video- you get instead is official debunking videos.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 02:44PM

Overheal wrote: »

Correction: the 10/29/2004 video is where he takes credit.

There no issue with the videos, it appears to be Bin Laden. However Arabic Speakers and Independent media groups in Europe have translated what they could hear on the tape and they claimed US intelligence misquoted Bin Laden speeches.. I posted evidence for this in the past and trying to locate the links again, lot harder nowadays with censorship.

The Nal · 14-08-2019 02:51PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Google removing 9/11 conspiracy sites for two years now. They leave the headline there, but when you click the link you all you see is the page not working. The most popular 9/11 site on Reddit got quarantined. Youtube there also trying to stop people from watching 9/11 video conspiracy videos. If you type in 9/11 conspiracy video- you get instead is official debunking videos.

Surprisingly another lie.

Just did it - first result- pro conspiracy! An interview with Dylan Avery no less!

The very first result. lol

Youtube are removing ads for nutter videos so they're not as easily promoted. Theyre still there.

"We’ll begin reducing recommendations of borderline content and content that could misinform users in harmful ways — like videos promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat, or making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11"

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 02:51PM

Someone appears to be releasing fake Bin laden tapes. Though US intelligence officials claims they are real?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21530470/ns/nbc_nightly_news_with_brian_williams/t/was-bin-ladens-last-video-faked/#.XVQRUehKhqM

The Nal · 14-08-2019 02:59PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Someone appears to be releasing fake Bin laden tapes. Though US intelligence officials claims they are real?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21530470/ns/nbc_nightly_news_with_brian_williams/t/was-bin-ladens-last-video-faked/#.XVQRUehKhqM

Nope, thats real. May have been recorded years before though with a couple of new bits added for the times.

He discusses 9/11 in a lot of these and admits to it in a lot of them. Are they all faked?

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 03:01PM

The Nal wrote: »

Surprisingly another lie.

Just did it - first result- pro conspiracy! An interview with Dylan Avery no less!

The very first result. lol

Youtube are removing ads for nutter videos so they're not as easily promoted. Theyre still there.

"We’ll begin reducing recommendations of borderline content and content that could misinform users in harmful ways — like videos promoting a phony miracle cure for a serious illness, claiming the earth is flat, or making blatantly false claims about historic events like 9/11"

4nd video- Mike West is a debunker and owner of Metabunk. Why would his video be there in a list of conspiracy videos.

3nd video FRANCE 24 English interview with a debunker.

2nd video 9/11 Science and Conspiracy is a debunking video.

You found one video that actually supports the 9/11 conspiracy. Thanks for proving my point censorship is real right now on Youtube.

The Nal · 14-08-2019 03:03PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Thanks for proving my point censorship is real right now on Youtube.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

If you type in 9/11 conspiracy video- you get instead is official debunking videos.

lol. First vid was a conspiracy video.

Anyway about time they did this. 18 years on and nothing, no evidence. Its nonsense and about time they moved on.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 03:05PM

The Nal wrote: »

lol. First vid was a conspiracy video.

Anyway about time they did this. 18 years on and nothing, no evidence. Its nonsense and about time they moved on.

When people look up 9/11 conspiracy, they want to watch videos provided by the other side. Not videos supporting official version. We all know what the official version is.

14-08-2019 03:12PM

The Nal wrote: »

lol. First vid was a conspiracy video.

Anyway about time they did this. 18 years on and nothing, no evidence. Its nonsense and about time they moved on.

It doesn't sell as well anymore.
It isn't shocking enough and has be relegated to mockery like JFK conspiracies.
Most now are switching to pedaling alt right nonsense cause it's more attention getting and profitable.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 03:14PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Saudi Arabia, Israel and United states have the same goal to change the Middle East for decades.

Saudi Arabia sponsored Al Qaeda, it's a proxy milita army. Exact same way Iran sponsors Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houtis in Yemen. Bin Laden was a Saudi born Citizen. 15 of the 19- 9/11 hijackers were also Saudi Citizens. You just failing to piece it altogether here why Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11

Dick Cheney, Rumsfield and other neocons after 9/11 were appearing on News media channels in the United States claiming Al Qeada was sponsored by Iraq and Iran. The neocon propaganda lies was not dismissed by the official media in the US. They siged on and supported the US military industrial complex war aganist Iraq and supported it wholeheartedly. Saudi Arabia was not named as a sponsor of terror!

Saudis are now destroying Syria, armed, and financed Al Qaeda sponsored groups to take out Assad. Well you think everyone fighting Assad are just democrat freedom loving Syrians, but thats another conversation

Consider this, the CIA has a history of sponsoring armed insurgent groups, planning coups and starting false flags to overthrow foreign governments since the 50s. Even democratically elected governments were taken out by CIA funded goons. Have you even read the Barry Seal story? The CIA allowed drugs to come into US so they could buy guns for insurgents in Central America. They did give a **** about ordinary people and laws of the country. They were doing all this in secret till they got caught.

Not a single shred of evidence of involvement in some secret plot on 911

The Nal · 14-08-2019 03:15PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When people look up 9/11 conspiracy, they want to watch videos provided by the other side. Not videos supporting official version. We all know what the official version is.

Youtube have a responsibility regarding extremism as proven by the amount of people radicalised online. Why would they promote nonsense videos devoid of fact and full of baseless conjecture to support a subjective world view? A stupid one at that. The myth of a totally competent government.

That first video is Dylan Avery by the way - Mr 9/11 Conspiracy - did a 180 on a lot of his views.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 03:16PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When people look up 9/11 conspiracy, they want to watch videos provided by the other side. Not videos supporting official version. We all know what the official version is.

When rational people look up something they want the truth

Irrational people don't necessarily want that, some want a conspiracy, and there's a lucrative market in selling false but exciting narratives to those people

The Nal · 14-08-2019 03:19PM

King Mob wrote: »

It doesn't sell as well anymore.
It isn't shocking enough and has be relegated to mockery like JFK conspiracies.
Most now are switching to pedaling alt right nonsense cause it's more attention getting and profitable.

True. Quick conspiracies like false flag shootings are the new 9/11.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 03:23PM

The Nal wrote: »

Nope, thats real. May have been recorded years before though with a couple of new bits added for the times.

He discusses 9/11 in a lot of these and admits to it in a lot of them. Are they all faked?

US intelligence is providing the Arabic translation. Independents who speak Arabic claim they have misquoted Bin Laden statements about the 9/11 attacks.

All the Videos fake probably not. Still it not beyond the capabilities of the CIA to manipulate videos

Bin Laden involvement or not, does not change the fact Al Qaeda was funded and sponsored by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden holed up in a compound in Islamabad near a Pakistan military base is not surprising at all. We know Al Mohammed Atta was wired a cash sum of 100,000 dollars from a Pakistan high ranking general before 9/11 and US government was well aware of this. They were searching for him in a cave is a myth the CIA pushed out to the Media

The Nal · 14-08-2019 03:26PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

They were searching for him in a cave is a myth the CIA pushed out to the Media

Evidence for this?

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 03:34PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

US intelligence is providing the Arabic translation. Independents who speak Arabic claim they have misquoted Bin Laden statements about the 9/11 attacks.

All the Videos fake probably not. Still it not beyond the capabilities of the CIA to manipulate videos

Bin Laden involvement or not, does not change the fact Al Qaeda was funded and sponsored by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden holed up in a compound in Islamabad near a Pakistan military base is not surprising at all. We know Al Mohammed Atta was wired a cash sum of 100,000 dollars from a Pakistan high ranking general before 9/11 and US government was well aware of this. They were searching for him in a cave is a myth the CIA pushed out to the Media

You believe the US president had the buildings blown up, so please provide the compelling evidence for that

And not your personal meandering rationalisations based on snippets of truth and a whole lot of "filler", proper evidence.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 03:42PM

The Nal wrote: »

Evidence for this?

Watch any news video from the time. They claimed he was hiding out in tribal area between the border of Afganistan and Pakistan. Could not find him they claim.

He was actually holed up in a massive compund in capital city near the Pakistan elite military headquarters. You have to be right idiot to believe Pakistan military did not know he was there. The US probably knew he was there years before and made a deal with the Pakistanis to take him out. It only reason why there was no response by them to stop the US assault. The military academy was only half a mile down the road from the compound and US military was shooting guns and US helicopter crashed.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 04:00PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Watch any news video from the time. They claimed he was hiding out in tribal area between the border of Afganistan and Pakistan. Could not find him they claim.

Have to address this

Yup they couldn't find him, he was assumed to be in the region between Afghanistan and NW Pakistan. Keyword: assumed.

He was actually holed up in a massive compund in capital city near the Pakistan elite military headquarters. You have to be right idiot to believe Pakistan military did not know he was there.

Good so far, indeed it's possible some in the Pakistan ISI knew

The US probably knew he was there years before and made a deal with the Pakistanis to take him out.

And this is where you drift off into cuckoo imaginary land. The trail went cold for Bin Laden years before, then the yanks picked up the trail, they located him in that compound, they did their checks and were 99% sure it was him

When the yanks did go for him, they didn't share this info with the Pakistanis because for obvious reasons they did not trust them

The Nal · 14-08-2019 04:10PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Watch any news video from the time. They claimed he was hiding out in tribal area between the border of Afganistan and Pakistan. Could not find him they claim.

He was there until late 2004/early 2005.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

He was actually holed up in a massive compund in capital city near the Pakistan elite military headquarters. You have to be right idiot to believe Pakistan military did not know he was there.

"elite military headquarters". lol.

How about "Super duper military HQ for exceptional soldiers". That sounds better.

Why would they have though? Just another compound. He never went out. He could've been living next to me in the last house I lived in. Didnt see them for the 2 years I lived there.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The US probably knew he was there years before and made a deal with the Pakistanis to take him out.

"probably"

No evidence to support that at all. On the contrary, you only have to look at the Camp Chapman bombing in 2009 to know they didn't know where he was and were getting desperate.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It only reason why there was no response by them to stop the US assault. The military academy was only half a mile down the road from the compound and US military was shooting guns and US helicopter crashed.

Why would a a military academy react? Its a school. They have an angling club there. They are not set up to go to battle at the drop of a hat no more than the Gardai training in Templemore are.

Pakistan did scramble jets when they heard about it.

I wouldn't rule out that the US told them before though. Just before. If so, it was smart to deny it for fear of revenge attacks. Which did happen anyway but not to the scale it would have it Pakistan came out and admitted full support. They basically would've been handing an unknown amount of their military and citizens death sentences by terrorism.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 04:16PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

When rational people look up something they want the truth

Irrational people don't necessarily want that, some want a conspiracy, and there's a lucrative market in selling false but exciting narratives to those people

Robert Baer is a CIA case officer highly respected by his peers. They even made a film about his life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana. You even see him appear on CNN and Fox News in 2019, asking his opinion about terrorists attacks.

He claims the 9/11 official story is bull**** on tape. Says he doesn't know who did 9/11 and talks about Bandar and his suspicious role. He claims also Mossad agents were in place for the first attack on 9/11, confirms it. Of course never acknowledged by the FBI. The White van incident is very interesting.

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2019 04:28PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Robert Baer is a CIA case officer highly respected by his peers. They even made a film about his life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriana. You even see him appear on CNN and Fox News in 2019, asking his opinion about terrorists attacks.

He claims the 9/11 official story is bull**** on tape. Says he doesn't know who did 9/11 and talks about Bandar and his suspicious role.

And there's your answer right there.

Another appeal to authority of isolated experts who never have a f--king clue what happened. Useless information.

Cheerful Spring2 · 14-08-2019 04:36PM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And there's your answer right there.

Another appeal to authority of isolated experts who never have a f--king clue what happened. Useless information.

I listening to someone who has actually seen the intelligence hidden from the public. Bob Baer is one of most repected intelligence officers the US. He is insider reason news outlets bring him on CNN and Fox News.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baer

1 year ago to talk about Russiagate- CNN.

Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

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