The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Put McGeeney in charge of this Dublin team - watch him make a sh*te of it
No amount of 'funding' would make a difference if that man was in charge - does he improve players?

Put Jim Gavin in charge of Mayo it would not be a famine it would be a feast.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

1. How much did Dublin GAA invest in the building of Croke Park? And it doesn't matter if its rented - the stadium is in Dublin in their own backyward. Its their home stadium. Not Parnell Park, or anywhere else, its Croke Park. So yes how much did Dublin invest and how much do they currently owe?

Expalian to me why "renting" the stadium doesn't count? Is it because it doesn't suit your narrative of a "free" stadium being handed to Dubin?

Dublin can't help if the stadium is in Dublin. I mean the GAA have owned the site for over 100 years. No one complained that the capital had the national stadium in it before.

In fact it would seem like the best place to have a stadium of such a size would be in the largest city in the country. It means the GAA can sweat the asset and make more money for the assciation that can then funnel down to the grassroots and places that require it.

Do you have another suggestion to the contrary of this that would be a better idea?


I can't exactly answer how much Dublin GAA "directly invested" in the bulding of Croke Park, because

a) I can't find the figures, but assume it would never be accounted for in such a way if they did exist,

and

b) the building programmes which cost €285m (only €177m of which the GAA had to fund) started way back in 1993 so it's a tough one. I woudl guess though that Dublin GAA "directly" contributed the same as Galway and Cork and Kerry etc. I fail to see what that matters anyway as a contribution.

I wonder how much of the €109m of government funding was raised in Dublin through taxation though? I'd say a fair whack of it. Wouldn't you?

Parnell Park is our home stadium and unfortunately isn't able to be redeveloped to a level required. It would make no sense to anyway given there is already a stadium that exists in the general area that could accommodate Dublin.

Any thoughts on the stallled Spawell project that was scuppered by govt policy which could have taken us out of the precious Croke Park?

2. Financial mismanagement? Large Capital projects always lead to cost over-runs - you only have to look at the farce of the national childrens hospital. But Pairc Ui Chaoimh was crumbling and was a historic stadium, which the GAA agreed to help out with, although Cork have to also pay millions.

Large capital projects can lead to over-runs that is correct.

Does it make it right though that Cork's financial mismanagement led to an unbelievably naive budget plan for the stadium that any clown could have foretold them was nonsense.

The GAA bailed Cork CB out though. They paid off the loan and now Cork CB are paying it back to HQ at I would say a rather favourable rate.

The money that the GAA gave to Cork is now not available for other weaker counties. That seems unfair to me just because Cork fupped up.

3. Galway mismanagement - again related to stadium development as I understand it. Always risks involved.

Risks?

Any well run organisation always tries to mitigate risks though. In the case of Galway they failed to do so.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/galway-abandon-plan-for-training-centre-near-athenry-1.3331573

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/galway-clubs-want-answers-after-damning-audit-892456.html

Have a read of that; can you honestly tell me with such money flting about the place that nn one had the wit to think that this was a risky venture? No one?

The risk excuse is rather disgraceful and implies that there was "nothing that could be done".

4. I'm sure if you examined Dublin in detail you'd see similar questionable practises around pitch and clubhouse developments, conflicts of interests, etc

Abniltely, I'm sure there might be some things around the county which may make you go "Hmmmmmmmm", funny how it never sadls the DCB with in sane debt though? Woud it be because the DCB is well run and unbelievably professional in its work?

But these are more capital projects. Its the games development funding imbalances where the real scandal is. As others have said, Dublin are at least 10 years ahead of the rest of the country in the level they received.

No the scandal is always wasting money like Cork and Galway needlessly done. Why do they get a free pass?

The money they waste in the end reduces all sorts of funding. That should be self-evident!

There's one other thing you conveniently ignore - counties like Mayo, especially this year have massive expenses around travel, mileage and hotel stays. It eats massively into their 1.5 million a year spend, whereas it doesn't with Dublin who mostly only have to roll down the road to Croke PArk. This is another advantage enjoyed by Dublin over the rest.

What travel expenses?

They played 4 games at home in the League this year. Dublin played 4 games away.

In Connacht, Mayo played New York - which I mean, hardly impinges on their travel costs given the Connacht Council stump up for that afaik. They then got beaten by Roscommon in Castlebar, beat Down in Newry, Armagh in Castlebar, Galway in Limerick and then had Donegal in Castlebar in the Super 8s with the other two games in Killarney and Croke Park respectively.

Have you got a breakdown of the Mayo CBs accounts detailing what all that money was spent on?

Maybe if Mayo won Connacht for a change they woudln't be stumping up so much needless cash traipsing around the country.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

What travel expenses?

They played 4 games at home in the League this year. Dublin played 4 games away.

In Connacht, Mayo played New York - which I mean, hardly impinges on their travel costs given the Connacht Council stump up for that afaik. They then got beaten by Roscommon in Castlebar, beat Down in Newry, Armagh in Castlebar, Galway in Limerick and then had Donegal in Castlebar in the Super 8s with the other two games in Killarney and Croke Park respectively.

Have you got a breakdown of the Mayo CBs accounts detailing what all that money was spent on?

Maybe if Mayo won Connacht for a change they woudln't be stumpoing up so much needless cash.

Mayo spend the most of all counties on their senior team. Any funding they get from Croke Park is concentrated into the senior team. It is a very short-sighted approach and will cost them in the next decade.

The best approach for senior success is the one taken by Kerry. Concentrate on training the best of the 14 and 15-year olds and develop them into real players, giving them a culture of winning at minor level, take the best into the senior squad, while at the same time ignoring mass participation.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Given that 1/3 of Mayo's total attendance for the championship came in one match v Dublin, there is an element of double counting.

It's not that easy to find a single source with attendances, or if there is google didn't find it for me...
Dublin had 47000 for the Leinster Final, and 35000 for a double header Leinster semi-final. 36,530 for Dublin-Roscommon, which was a double-header with Tyrone-Cork, and 30,214 for Dublin-Cork. 15000 for Tyrone in Omagh. I'm guessing 18,000 for the first Leinster game.

There's not that much difference in the figures, but Dublin's average per game is much higher.

I would have discounted the AISF as it would be part of both teams totals.

But again let Frank come up with the figures. He's making the assertions.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I gave you an estimate of the Mayo figures. Its easy to check the real figures if you have the time which you no doubt have.
Do you have the Dublin figures or do I have to do that too?

I have provided an estimate for the Dublin games from mixed sources.

Please provide the real figures & source for same if they are so easy to find because my experience has been that it isn't, and such a source would be useful.

beggars_bush wrote: »

When was it ever voted in though?
It was never brought to congress
It's the full time staff in the GAA who decide policy
And surprise, surprise they are all located in?

The full time staff are directed by the counties.

bruschi wrote: »

just a small point lads, travel expense on gamedays wouldnt be the biggest cost of travel expenses for a county. for every match, you would have many more training sessions. All players who travel to training are entitled to expenses which the county board has to pay. I'm not sure of what way to get around something like that, but it is a huge and considerable expense on most counties outside of Dublin.

See below for a statement requested on Mayos expenses.
https://www.the42.ie/mayo-gaa-3-3115597-Dec2016/

Their travel costs comprise of nearly 40% of their entire expenditure. This is not a percentage that would be unusual in other counties either.

Whether or which their travel costs or other costs are well spent or not, it is a huge burden on all counties of having to cover mileage expenses for all players going to trainings.

Absolutely but my response was to a poster who claimed that Dublin have an expenses advantage for playing at Croke Park. So as Dublin don't train in Croker I assume it was match day expenses that he was concerned with and I approached the response in that fashion.

I'm sure you understand.

I was thinking is the simplest solution that the dublin coaches have to do a tour of other counties - past on expertise and knowledge to youngsters?

Let other coaches visit thier Dublin cul camps as well.
Or does all this stuff already happen?

Gachla wrote: »

The huge number of professional coaches gets highlighted but the highly paid officials who oversee the system which has increased standards accross all age and levels in Dublin GAA don't get as much attention. Here's some of the job roles:

Strategic Program Manager

Games Development Project Coordinator

Regional Development Manager

High Performance Manager

Dublin GAA pay millions in wages every year but of course all of this has no impact in the huge increase in standards in Dublin GAA. :rolleyes:

With the sheer numbers of players Dubline have to deal with - structure is needed or it would be chaos.

So what you are saying is other counties just have to give thier coaches fancy titles?




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Tyrone have a 'performance hub' -

https://tyronegaa.ie/hub/


And an Academy -

https://tyronegaa.ie/academy/



A coaching and games committee -

https://tyronegaa.ie/county-board/na-fo-choisti-sub-committees/coaching-and-games/

The high horse brigade wrote: »

McHale park does not hold 52k, 35k I think is the current max figure but it's lately been reduced to 25 for safety reasons if only one match

You are correct I read it wrong bus eireann routes 52, 400 - got mangled in my head - like an eejit!

So there is no way that the attendances equate to Dublin so as they would be lucky to have 15k average most of the time in Castlebar?