BonnieSituation wrote: » Absolutely but my response was to a poster who claimed that Dublin have an expenses advantage for playing at Croke Park. So as Dublin don't train in Croker I assume it was match day expenses that he was concerned with and I approached the response in that fashion. I'm sure you understand.
bruschi wrote: » just a small point lads, travel expense on gamedays wouldnt be the biggest cost of travel expenses for a county. for every match, you would have many more training sessions. All players who travel to training are entitled to expenses which the county board has to pay. I'm not sure of what way to get around something like that, but it is a huge and considerable expense on most counties outside of Dublin... Their travel costs comprise of nearly 40% of their entire expenditure. This is not a percentage that would be unusual in other counties either. Whether or which their travel costs or other costs are well spent or not, it is a huge burden on all counties of having to cover mileage expenses for all players going to trainings.
bruschi wrote: » just a small point lads, travel expense on gamedays wouldnt be the biggest cost of travel expenses for a county. for every match, you would have many more training sessions. All players who travel to training are entitled to expenses which the county board has to pay. I'm not sure of what way to get around something like that, but it is a huge and considerable expense on most counties outside of Dublin. See below for a statement requested on Mayos expenses.https://www.the42.ie/mayo-gaa-3-3115597-Dec2016/ Their travel costs comprise of nearly 40% of their entire expenditure. This is not a percentage that would be unusual in other counties either. Whether or which their travel costs or other costs are well spent or not, it is a huge burden on all counties of having to cover mileage expenses for all players going to trainings.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Frank intimated that more people watched Mayo than Dublin this year. So I wanted the figures.
odyssey06 wrote: » Given that 1/3 of Mayo's total attendance for the championship came in one match v Dublin, there is an element of double counting. It's not that easy to find a single source with attendances, or if there is google didn't find it for me... Dublin had 47000 for the Leinster Final, and 35000 for a double header Leinster semi-final. 36,530 for Dublin-Roscommon, which was a double-header with Tyrone-Cork, and 30,214 for Dublin-Cork. 15000 for Tyrone in Omagh. I'm guessing 18,000 for the first Leinster game. There's not that much difference in the figures, but Dublin's average per game is much higher.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I gave you an estimate of the Mayo figures. Its easy to check the real figures if you have the time which you no doubt have. Do you have the Dublin figures or do I have to do that too?
beggars_bush wrote: » When was it ever voted in though? It was never brought to congress It's the full time staff in the GAA who decide policy And surprise, surprise they are all located in?
blanch152 wrote: » Mayo spend the most of all counties on their senior team. Any funding they get from Croke Park is concentrated into the senior team. It is a very short-sighted approach and will cost them in the next decade. The best approach for senior success is the one taken by Kerry. Concentrate on training the best of the 14 and 15-year olds and develop them into real players, giving them a culture of winning at minor level, take the best into the senior squad, while at the same time ignoring mass participation.
odyssey06 wrote: » Match expenses are covered from GAA central funds:"Travel and hotel expenses and grants, which shall be reviewed annually, shall be paid to teams competing in All-Ireland Quarter-finals, Semi-finals and Finals."
BonnieSituation wrote: » What travel expenses? They played 4 games at home in the League this year. Dublin played 4 games away. In Connacht, Mayo played New York - which I mean, hardly impinges on their travel costs given the Connacht Council stump up for that afaik. They then got beaten by Roscommon in Castlebar, beat Down in Newry, Armagh in Castlebar, Galway in Limerick and then had Donegal in Castlebar in the Super 8s with the other two games in Killarney and Croke Park respectively. Have you got a breakdown of the Mayo CBs accounts detailing what all that money was spent on? Maybe if Mayo won Connacht for a change they woudln't be stumping up so much needless cash traipsing around the country.
BonnieSituation wrote: » What travel expenses? They played 4 games at home in the League this year. Dublin played 4 games away. In Connacht, Mayo played New York - which I mean, hardly impinges on their travel costs given the Connacht Council stump up for that afaik. They then got beaten by Roscommon in Castlebar, beat Down in Newry, Armagh in Castlebar, Galway in Limerick and then had Donegal in Castlebar in the Super 8s with the other two games in Killarney and Croke Park respectively. Have you got a breakdown of the Mayo CBs accounts detailing what all that money was spent on? Maybe if Mayo won Connacht for a change they woudln't be stumpoing up so much needless cash.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Working backwards AI semi-final full house - 82,300 Dublin v Mayo Would guess that the league was about 40k-50k
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » 1. How much did Dublin GAA invest in the building of Croke Park? And it doesn't matter if its rented - the stadium is in Dublin in their own backyward. Its their home stadium. Not Parnell Park, or anywhere else, its Croke Park. So yes how much did Dublin invest and how much do they currently owe?
2. Financial mismanagement? Large Capital projects always lead to cost over-runs - you only have to look at the farce of the national childrens hospital. But Pairc Ui Chaoimh was crumbling and was a historic stadium, which the GAA agreed to help out with, although Cork have to also pay millions.
3. Galway mismanagement - again related to stadium development as I understand it. Always risks involved.
4. I'm sure if you examined Dublin in detail you'd see similar questionable practises around pitch and clubhouse developments, conflicts of interests, etc
But these are more capital projects. Its the games development funding imbalances where the real scandal is. As others have said, Dublin are at least 10 years ahead of the rest of the country in the level they received.
There's one other thing you conveniently ignore - counties like Mayo, especially this year have massive expenses around travel, mileage and hotel stays. It eats massively into their 1.5 million a year spend, whereas it doesn't with Dublin who mostly only have to roll down the road to Croke PArk. This is another advantage enjoyed by Dublin over the rest.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I wrote a long post in response about how important rivalries are and my browser crashed and I lost it.
jmayo wrote: » You keep making this point ad nauseam and it is rather disingenuous. What age were those Kerry players at the time in 2015 ? How long had they been around because I can remember a fair few of them playing Mayo in 2006 which would have been 9 years before. Galvin, O'Sullivan, Sheehan, Donaghy, Cooper had all been involved in 2006 and some of them were well enough established at the time. Oh and Peter Crowley is sidelined with injury this season, James O’Donoghue has had huge amount of injuries over last number of years. Jonathan Lyne and Killian Young start mainly on the bench. So your grand statement doesn't quite stand up to closer scrutiny.
bruschi wrote: » I'm not so sure it will. I reckon the "Dublin are the best because of a once in a generation team and better club volunteers" argument will get there first!
Dots1982 wrote: » Can’t wait for the “Dublin only win because of theyr unfair advantages” cabal to finally convince the dubs here with their arguments. Bound to happen any day now.
jmayo wrote: » Ah yes lets drag the hurlers into it as the now scared cow of how Dublin funding has no effect. BTW what about the financial investment China made in other sports ? What about their medal haul in Olympics, has that not drastically increased over the years ? China went from winning about 30 odd medals in 1984 to a 100 at Bejing Olympics in 2008 and are now around 90 odd.
jmayo wrote: » Look at huge British investment in cycling and how that won them Olympic medals and led to tour successes.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Maybe Dublin should focus on football and forget the hurling?
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » There's one other thing you conveniently ignore - counties like Mayo, especially this year have massive expenses around travel, mileage and hotel stays. It eats massively into their 1.5 million a year spend, whereas it doesn't with Dublin who mostly only have to roll down the road to Croke PArk. This is another advantage enjoyed by Dublin over the rest.
BonnieSituation wrote: » You tell us. How many people attended Mayo games v Dublin games this year?
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » Maybe later - too busy with work. Unless someone else wants to do the research?
