jmayo wrote: » You keep making this point ad nauseam and it is rather disingenuous. What age were those Kerry players at the time in 2015 ? How long had they been around because I can remember a fair few of them playing Mayo in 2006 which would have been 9 years before. Galvin, O'Sullivan, Sheehan, Donaghy, Cooper had all been involved in 2006 and some of them were well enough established at the time. Oh and Peter Crowley is sidelined with injury this season, James O’Donoghue has had huge amount of injuries over last number of years. Jonathan Lyne and Killian Young start mainly on the bench. So your grand statement doesn't quite stand up to closer scrutiny.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I wrote a long post in response about how important rivalries are and my browser crashed and I lost it.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » 1. How much did Dublin GAA invest in the building of Croke Park? And it doesn't matter if its rented - the stadium is in Dublin in their own backyward. Its their home stadium. Not Parnell Park, or anywhere else, its Croke Park. So yes how much did Dublin invest and how much do they currently owe?
2. Financial mismanagement? Large Capital projects always lead to cost over-runs - you only have to look at the farce of the national childrens hospital. But Pairc Ui Chaoimh was crumbling and was a historic stadium, which the GAA agreed to help out with, although Cork have to also pay millions.
3. Galway mismanagement - again related to stadium development as I understand it. Always risks involved.
4. I'm sure if you examined Dublin in detail you'd see similar questionable practises around pitch and clubhouse developments, conflicts of interests, etc
But these are more capital projects. Its the games development funding imbalances where the real scandal is. As others have said, Dublin are at least 10 years ahead of the rest of the country in the level they received.
There's one other thing you conveniently ignore - counties like Mayo, especially this year have massive expenses around travel, mileage and hotel stays. It eats massively into their 1.5 million a year spend, whereas it doesn't with Dublin who mostly only have to roll down the road to Croke PArk. This is another advantage enjoyed by Dublin over the rest.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Working backwards AI semi-final full house - 82,300 Dublin v Mayo Would guess that the league was about 40k-50k
BonnieSituation wrote: » What travel expenses? They played 4 games at home in the League this year. Dublin played 4 games away. In Connacht, Mayo played New York - which I mean, hardly impinges on their travel costs given the Connacht Council stump up for that afaik. They then got beaten by Roscommon in Castlebar, beat Down in Newry, Armagh in Castlebar, Galway in Limerick and then had Donegal in Castlebar in the Super 8s with the other two games in Killarney and Croke Park respectively. Have you got a breakdown of the Mayo CBs accounts detailing what all that money was spent on? Maybe if Mayo won Connacht for a change they woudln't be stumpoing up so much needless cash.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Frank intimated that more people watched Mayo than Dublin this year. So I wanted the figures.
odyssey06 wrote: » Given that 1/3 of Mayo's total attendance for the championship came in one match v Dublin, there is an element of double counting. It's not that easy to find a single source with attendances, or if there is google didn't find it for me... Dublin had 47000 for the Leinster Final, and 35000 for a double header Leinster semi-final. 36,530 for Dublin-Roscommon, which was a double-header with Tyrone-Cork, and 30,214 for Dublin-Cork. 15000 for Tyrone in Omagh. I'm guessing 18,000 for the first Leinster game. There's not that much difference in the figures, but Dublin's average per game is much higher.
ToBeFrank123 wrote: » I gave you an estimate of the Mayo figures. Its easy to check the real figures if you have the time which you no doubt have. Do you have the Dublin figures or do I have to do that too?
odyssey06 wrote: » Match expenses are covered from GAA central funds:"Travel and hotel expenses and grants, which shall be reviewed annually, shall be paid to teams competing in All-Ireland Quarter-finals, Semi-finals and Finals."
BonnieSituation wrote: » What travel expenses? They played 4 games at home in the League this year. Dublin played 4 games away. In Connacht, Mayo played New York - which I mean, hardly impinges on their travel costs given the Connacht Council stump up for that afaik. They then got beaten by Roscommon in Castlebar, beat Down in Newry, Armagh in Castlebar, Galway in Limerick and then had Donegal in Castlebar in the Super 8s with the other two games in Killarney and Croke Park respectively. Have you got a breakdown of the Mayo CBs accounts detailing what all that money was spent on? Maybe if Mayo won Connacht for a change they woudln't be stumping up so much needless cash traipsing around the country.
blanch152 wrote: » Mayo spend the most of all counties on their senior team. Any funding they get from Croke Park is concentrated into the senior team. It is a very short-sighted approach and will cost them in the next decade. The best approach for senior success is the one taken by Kerry. Concentrate on training the best of the 14 and 15-year olds and develop them into real players, giving them a culture of winning at minor level, take the best into the senior squad, while at the same time ignoring mass participation.
beggars_bush wrote: » When was it ever voted in though? It was never brought to congress It's the full time staff in the GAA who decide policy And surprise, surprise they are all located in?
bruschi wrote: » just a small point lads, travel expense on gamedays wouldnt be the biggest cost of travel expenses for a county. for every match, you would have many more training sessions. All players who travel to training are entitled to expenses which the county board has to pay. I'm not sure of what way to get around something like that, but it is a huge and considerable expense on most counties outside of Dublin. See below for a statement requested on Mayos expenses.https://www.the42.ie/mayo-gaa-3-3115597-Dec2016/ Their travel costs comprise of nearly 40% of their entire expenditure. This is not a percentage that would be unusual in other counties either. Whether or which their travel costs or other costs are well spent or not, it is a huge burden on all counties of having to cover mileage expenses for all players going to trainings.
bruschi wrote: » just a small point lads, travel expense on gamedays wouldnt be the biggest cost of travel expenses for a county. for every match, you would have many more training sessions. All players who travel to training are entitled to expenses which the county board has to pay. I'm not sure of what way to get around something like that, but it is a huge and considerable expense on most counties outside of Dublin... Their travel costs comprise of nearly 40% of their entire expenditure. This is not a percentage that would be unusual in other counties either. Whether or which their travel costs or other costs are well spent or not, it is a huge burden on all counties of having to cover mileage expenses for all players going to trainings.
BonnieSituation wrote: » Absolutely but my response was to a poster who claimed that Dublin have an expenses advantage for playing at Croke Park. So as Dublin don't train in Croker I assume it was match day expenses that he was concerned with and I approached the response in that fashion. I'm sure you understand.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Oh right I see I missed that bit - I only put that bit in cos I could let the two of you at it - and be safer away from it! It is an interesting question - most Dublin league games were about the 30k/40k mark there was one where it was really low 17k against galway - Baltic day and a big rugby game was on. England v Ireland I think. I have no idea what the average attendances for Mayo games are Mchale Park holds 52k. So it would want to be at least three quarters full each game to match Dublin. Doubt that happens? On the telly during the league I always seems to see those empty/uncomfortable/horrible stone seats that they have in McHale park. But in 2018 they blamed the early absence of Mayo in the championship as gate receipts fell. Which just shows how good Mayo supporters are in coming out supporting thier team.https://twitter.com/i/status/1093227262776758272
Gachla wrote: » The huge number of professional coaches gets highlighted but the highly paid officials who oversee the system which has increased standards accross all age and levels in Dublin GAA don't get as much attention. Here's some of the job roles: Strategic Program Manager Games Development Project Coordinator Regional Development Manager High Performance Manager Dublin GAA pay millions in wages every year but of course all of this has no impact in the huge increase in standards in Dublin GAA. :rolleyes:
gormdubhgorm wrote: » So what you are saying is other counties just have to give thier coaches fancy titles? Plus look at the numbers of players they have to deal with structure is needed or it would be chaos.
The high horse brigade wrote: » McHale park does not hold 52k, 35k I think is the current max figure but it's lately been reduced to 25 for safety reasons if only one match
