The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:13PM

LastLagoon wrote: »

How many of the Dublin senior team actually work a real job? Guarantee not near as many as any of their main rivals. Shamateurism

I dunno.

You tell me about how many "real" jobs they have. You're making an accusation. Onus is on you to inform us.

I mean you'd hardly be making it up how would you? That wouldn't be nice or appropriate.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:14PM

beggars_bush wrote: »

When was it ever voted in though?
It was never brought to congress
It's the full time staff in the GAA who decide policy
And surprise, surprise they are all located in?

GAA HQ is in Dublin in the stadium that they built.

Should the GAA rent office space elsewhere to show a lack of bias?

bucketybuck · 13-08-2019 01:15PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Accuracy of statistics does not imply relevance.

The ****ing irony.

blanch152 · 13-08-2019 01:17PM

LastLagoon wrote: »

How many of the Dublin senior team actually work a real job? Guarantee not near as many as any of their main rivals. Shamateurism

Let me Cluxton is a teacher, as is Cillian O'Connor, and Paul Galvin was one too.

Now Jack McCaffrey is a doctor, is that a real job, Cian O'Sullivan is a tax partner, wonder if that is a real job too.

More uninformed drivel.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:18PM

LastLagoon wrote: »

How many of the Dublin senior team actually work a real job? Guarantee not near as many as any of their main rivals. Shamateurism

They are a very educated group and diverse group by all accounts

Cluxton - teacher science I believe
Comerford - Student

Michael Fitzsimons - was a physio now does Medicine Dr

Philly - has his own company

https://www.vision-net.ie/Company-Info/Fitfood-By-Philly-Mcmahon-Limited-589897

Lowndes - Teacher

Jack Mc - Doctor (I assume you were out there in africa with him volunteering?)

Cian O'Sullivan - tax consultant

I could list the entire team for you but you might prefer to look at this website

https://www.dublingaa.ie/teams/senior-football

BarryD2 · 13-08-2019 01:21PM

Bambi wrote: »

I think that GAA revenue generated by a county should remain within a county, that should ensure that Dublin will get an even bigger bite of the pie. Sick of us bankrolling the rest of the country TBH. Bailing out Mayo, building Follys in Cork.

Once we do the same with taxation, there'll be a lot of coughs substantially softened outside the Pale

LOL! An argument lifted straight from the English nationalists driving Brexit!

The high horse brigade · 13-08-2019 01:26PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Surely they can apply for grants? Or do they not know how?

See shows what you know, clubs and counties all over the country have to fund raise to make ends meet

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Why would we waste money to spruce up a stdiumn to incure debt and then ensure we get less people through the gates? Is that not the most moronic thing ever spouted on the GAA fora? Also can we not use our billions in sponsorship to do it if we were so inclined?

Remember we tried to buy a plot of land in Templeogue for this exact reason? Or are you just throwing out unfounded nonsense?

What do you people even want anymore other than Dublin to be "less good".

Yeah why shouldn't they? Mayo played their home game against Donegal to a reduced capacity of 28k. If it's good enough for Mayo why not Dublin

bruschi · 13-08-2019 01:27PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You are absolutely right on this. There is a huge amount of misinformation.

Unfortunately, you are wrong on this, and are in danger of falling for the very pitfall you warned against of confusing speculation with fact.

this is what you said, confusing speculation with facts. I spoke in facts. You are actually talking about speculation.

blanch152 wrote: »

Accuracy of statistics does not imply relevance.

If I characterised your statistics as wrong then I apologise, but I will not apologise for calling them irrelevant. Starting teams in one match are not of any great import in comparing squad development over time.

I gave facts showing that Dublins team for 9 seasons has not drastically changed in age profile. That is a fact. You are speculating that they no longer will be able to do so, but telling me that the previous 9 years of actual facts are irrelevant and that your speculation will be correct. but yet tell me that I am wrong in trying to use speculation as fact.

I prefer to judge Dublins record and ability on the evidence that has been shown over 9 years. This isnt a 5 in a row dominance, this 7 AI titles in 9 years dominance. I am not speculating here.

I dont see why Jim Gavin, Dublin and its development squad set up and numerous quality players at underage cant keep adding 2 or 3 players each year to an already dominant squad. That is opinion, based on facts over 9 years.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:30PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Yeah why shouldn't they? Mayo played their home game against Donegal to a reduced capacity of 28k. If it's good enough for Mayo why not Dublin

It wouldn't bother Dublin playing in Parnell - in fact it will only bother opposition counties. The Dublin clubs would get the majority of tickets - most tickets would not go on general sale - and Dublin's opponents fans would be crying.
We can't see our county etc etc

You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 13-08-2019 01:32PM

Saying the Dubs don't have real jobs is a very serious accusation to make. I have always said they are more professional than their rivals but that could apply to many teams. Mayo are more professional than Sligo but doesn't mean they don't work.

Father Hernandez · 13-08-2019 01:35PM

LastLagoon wrote: »

How many of the Dublin senior team actually work a real job? Guarantee not near as many as any of their main rivals. Shamateurism

First post about GAA in this thread and this is the drivel we are subjected to.

Pure shyte

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:37PM

bruschi wrote: »

this is what you said, confusing speculation with facts. I spoke in facts. You are actually talking about speculation.

I gave facts showing that Dublins team for 9 seasons has not drastically changed in age profile. That is a fact. You are speculating that they no longer will be able to do so, but telling me that the previous 9 years of actual facts are irrelevant and that your speculation will be correct. but yet tell me that I am wrong in trying to use speculation as fact.

I prefer to judge Dublins record and ability on the evidence that has been shown over 9 years. This isnt a 5 in a row dominance, this 7 AI titles in 9 years dominance. I am not speculating here.

I dont see why Jim Gavin, Dublin and its development squad set up and numerous quality players at underage cant keep adding 2 or 3 players each year to an already dominant squad. That is opinion, based on facts over 9 years.

I disagree you are assuming it is like a computer game and those 'two or three players' are equal to / better than the players they are replacing.

Not to mention the mental makeup of those new players are they lazy, will they knit with team-mates, are they full of themselves, do they get on with other lads?

Also over those 9 years there were successful Dublin u21 teams, minor teams and a junior all-ireland - which are starting to dry up
Kerry have won five minors recently in a row - Cork won the u20 -this year and Mayo last year.

Augme · 13-08-2019 01:41PM

For the people saying this simply down to a golden generation, at how many Dublin titles will Dublin fans start to wonder if it is something more? For example, if Dublin win the next 8 out of 10 championships? 13 out of 15? Or will winning it at that rate simply be down to another golden generation?

I'm curious to know what is the turning point, if there even is one.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 01:42PM

Bambi wrote: »

I think that GAA revenue generated by a county should remain within a county, that should ensure that Dublin will get an even bigger bite of the pie. Sick of us bankrolling the rest of the country TBH. Bailing out Mayo, building Follys in Cork.

Jesus Christ. Do you ever get tired of posting clueless stuff like this?

How many people attended Mayo games this year? And how many attended Dublin games? I reckon the totals wouldn't be too far off similar numbers.

We can't really compare the TV audience because of the GAA deal with SKY meant most Mayo games were behind a paywall, not that Mayo GAA see a red cent from that deal. Its used to pay the salaries of the GAA and also help out the Dublin Games Development Fund, as will no doubt the gate receipts at the Dublin v Mayo semi final.

bruschi · 13-08-2019 01:43PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I disagree you are assuming it is like a computer game and those 'two or three players' are equal to / better than the players they are replacing.

Not to mention the mental makeup of those new players are they lazy, will they knit with team-mates, are they full of themselves, do they get on with other lads?

but again, you are using speculation that they are lazy. Have you seen evidence that Dublin players coming through their underage set up are lazy or full of themselves?

I really dont get this, why are Dublin fans quick to tell us that the upcoming players are no good and this will end. If the up and coming players are not good, then surely that is a serious systematic failure of the GPO coaching program which up to now has been hugely successful.

The new players may work out, they may not. Everyone automatically assumes that the Kerry minors will make it, but at the same time assumes that the Dublin ones wont. Why go either way?

It is speculation to say that either will succeed or fail. It is not speculation to say that Dublin have been hugely successful at doing this very thing for the last 9 years. Therefore it is a reasonable assessment to make that they can keep this going.

to add to your subsequent edit, you dont need to be winning All Irelands at underage to stop production line coming through. Your U20 team this year will add 2 if not 3 quality players to the senior set up that are as good as any U20/21 team from previous years. Thats all that is necessary. The main depth of the squad is there, keep topping it up and the younger players step up to being the key players and it progresses.

Anyway, this may be something to agree to disagree on. Dublin have shown they can keep their team and squad going. I see no reason to believe they cant keep doing so.

The high horse brigade · 13-08-2019 01:47PM

Augme wrote: »

For the people saying this simply down to a golden generation, at how many Dublin titles will Dublin fans start to wonder if it is something more? For example, if Dublin win the next 8 out of 10 championships? 13 out of 15? Or will winning it at that rate simply be down to another golden generation?

I'm curious to know what is the turning point, if there even is one.

The flat earthers don't want to know

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 01:47PM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Saying the Dubs don't have real jobs is a very serious accusation to make. I have always said they are more professional than their rivals but that could apply to many teams. Mayo are more professional than Sligo but doesn't mean they don't work.

I've never made that accusation, but I would like to know what exactly someone like Diarmuid Connolly works at? It seems like the guy can p*ss off to America any time he wants for the big bucks playing over there.
So what is his full time job does anyone know? Is he unemployed?

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:50PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Jesus Christ. Do you ever get tired of posting clueless stuff like this?

How many people attended Mayo games this year? And how many attended Dublin games? I reckon the totals wouldn't be too far off similar numbers.

We can't really compare the TV audience because of the GAA deal with SKY meant most Mayo games were behind a paywall, not that Mayo GAA see a red cent from that deal. Its used to pay the salaries of the GAA and also help out the Dublin Games Development Fund, as will no doubt the gate receipts at the Dublin v Mayo semi final.

Ah, you're awake.

Care to link me to the post where I said I put you on ignore.

Also let's not forget:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does the financial mismanagement in the likes of Galway and Cork not concern you as it impinges on the association as a whole and means such latent giants like Wicklow and Longford can't win All-Irelands?

I can do this all day.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:51PM

bruschi wrote: »

but again, you are using speculation that they are lazy. Have you seen evidence that Dublin players coming through their underage set up are lazy or full of themselves?

I really dont get this, why are Dublin fans quick to tell us that the upcoming players are no good and this will end. If the up and coming players are not good, then surely that is a serious systematic failure of the GPO coaching program which up to now has been hugely successful.

The new players may work out, they may not. Everyone automatically assumes that the Kerry minors will make it, but at the same time assumes that the Dublin ones wont. Why go either way?

It is speculation to say that either will succeed or fail. It is not speculation to say that Dublin have been hugely successful at doing this very thing for the last 9 years. Therefore it is a reasonable assessment to make that they can keep this going.

You are speculating as much as I am assume these 2 or 3 players will improve or equate to the players that have left.
I am saying you ate not looking at the other variables.

Anyone who watched those Kerry minors in the flesh know that they were head and shoulders above the rest - incredible bunch.
They are already showing fruits of thier labour

League title - win 2017 (against the dubs) - runner up this year, and they are now in an AI final.
They must be doing something right?
Plus I was at the Donegal v Kerry game - there is some skill in that Kerry side - all they need are a few more 'dogs' and they are easier to find than the skillful lads.

Fellas following the Dubs know the crop coming up does not look like the same quality.
For example - back in 2017 it was obvious that Con was star in the making there was a buzz about him - wait till you see this fella etc.
I do not sense the same buzz from the current crop.
In fact there was deflation how the Dubs imploded despite a big lead against Cork.
It was described on here as unforgivable at any level.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:52PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I've never made that accusation, but I would like to know what exactly someone like Diarmuid Connolly works at? It seems like the guy can p*ss off to America any time he wants for the big bucks playing over there.
So what is his full time job does anyone know? Is he unemployed?

How is that any of your business?

I work full-time but I'm "p*ssing off" to Japan for 6 weeks in September. Amazing what an employer/employee relationship can work out when it wants to.

odyssey06 · 13-08-2019 01:53PM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I've never made that accusation, but I would like to know what exactly someone like Diarmuid Connolly works at? It seems like the guy can p*ss off to America any time he wants for the big bucks playing over there.
So what is his full time job does anyone know? Is he unemployed?

Seriously is that what this thread has descended to?

If you'd like to explain your theory about Diarmuid Connolly's employment status and the money in GAA circles in the states, and how it relates to Dublin's dominance, we're all ears.

You wanna do a side by side occupation comparison for Dublin's squad versus Kerry or Mayo, and which of those jobs are actually real jobs, go ahead.

Otherwise this is assumed to be a scurrilous post.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:54PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Seriously is that what this thread has descended to?

If you'd like to explain your theory about Diarmuid Connolly's employment status and the money in GAA circles in the states, and how it relates to Dublin's dominance, we're all ears.

You wanna do a side by side occupation comparison for Dublin's squad versus Kerry or Mayo, and which of those jobs are actually real jobs, go ahead.

Otherwise this is assumed to be a scurrilous post.

I wonder how many handy local bank jobs those Kerry lads had back in the noughties.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:55PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Ah, you're awake.

Care to link me to the post where I said I put you on ignore.

He might be getting his Bonniesitution and his Bonniedog mixed up in fairness...?

Both posters of the upmost quality easy to confuse....

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:57PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

He might be getting his Bonniesitution and his Bonniedog mixed up in fairness...?

Both posters of the upmost quality easy to confuse....

I assumed he had. But that's not up to us. I mean when one posts here you assume they can back up their statements or retract them when proven wrong.

That's how I roll anyway. A few years posting over on Politics disciplines a fellow.

odyssey06 · 13-08-2019 01:57PM

Augme wrote: »

For the people saying this simply down to a golden generation, at how many Dublin titles will Dublin fans start to wonder if it is something more? For example, if Dublin win the next 8 out of 10 championships? 13 out of 15? Or will winning it at that rate simply be down to another golden generation?
I'm curious to know what is the turning point, if there even is one.

That looks a lot like Kilkenny's hurling record from 2000 - 2015 doesn't it?
How is it tolerated in hurling and suspicious in football?

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 01:58PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Ah, you're awake.

Care to link me to the post where I said I put you on ignore.

Also let's not forget:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does the financial mismanagement in the likes of Galway and Cork not concern you as it impinges on the association as a whole and means such latent giants like Wicklow and Longford can't win All-Irelands?

I can do this all day.

I know you can. Do you work? Because I do. So I will reply when it fits my work schedule.

You're almost 24/7 posting and tracking other posters movements is a bit bizarre to be honest.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:59PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I wonder how many handy local bank jobs those Kerry lads had back in the noughties.

What was the one with Cork's Sean Og handing out the change...

Oh yeah they had to move him from the till because loads of girls were queuing up to get change (nice work if you can get it

)

bruschi · 13-08-2019 02:02PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You are speculating as much as I am assume these 2 or 3 players will improve or equate to the players that have left.
I am saying you ate not looking at the other variables.

Anyone who watched those Kerry minors in the flesh know that they were head and shoulders above the rest - incredible bunch.
They are already showing fruits of thier labour

League title - win 2017 (against the dubs) - runner up this year, and they are now in an AI final.
They must be doing something right?
Plus I was at the Donegal v Kerry game - there is some skill in that Kerry side - all they need are a few more 'dogs' and they are easier to find than the skillful lads.

Fellas following the Dubs know the crop coming up does not look like the same quality.
For example - back in 2017 it was obvious that Con was start in the making there was a buzz about him - wait till you see this fella etc.
I do not sense the same buzz from the current crop.
In fact there was deflation how the Dubs imploded despite a big lead against Cork.
It was described on here as unforgivable at any level.

Ciaran Archer certainly has that buzz about him. If not more to be honest. His scoring in Leinster this year was phenominal and completely unplayable. And dont forget, this was U20, not 21. Now this is from the outside in, maybe those in Dublin rate him less, but he looks as good as anything that has gone before. Luke Swan too, whether he is better at hurling or football I dont know, but there is a buzz about him,, maybe more to do with the dual aspect.

Yes Kerry are doing stuff right, in time they will more than likely be the ones to topple Dublin. But again, the point being, there is no real signs of Dublins dominance ending. They have won every game they played in championship this year with some ease. Kerry may put up more of a fight, Dublins closest games are often in the final itself.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 02:02PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

He might be getting his Bonniesitution and his Bonniedog mixed up in fairness...?

Both posters of the upmost quality easy to confuse....

Maybe I did. You have to admit having two Dublin posters starting with Bonnie is confusing to say the least.

As I'm catching up on work after holidays, my time is limited. I just had a look and Bonniesituation has posted over 3000 times alone on GAA. That's going to take some getting through.

I know one of the Bonnies said they had me on ignore, didn't reply to my posts for a week and then went all in! I'm sure whoever it was is busy cleaning up their posting history as we speak!

Dr. Bre · 13-08-2019 02:06PM

Allegedly Aslan gets played at half time of All Ireland finals ! Disgusting advantage lol

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