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Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 01:18AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I didn't create this thread. Opinions were asked for on here. As soon as someone expresses a counter argument to the "Dublins success is nothing to do with the many advantages they enjoy" argument posters are generally subjected to the usual "you're only bitter" nonsense.

I've already reported one post for that accusation.

They do enjoy plenty and no one ever gets at me for not pointing what you are saying out. Instead I've got an 'agenda'. I don't want Dublin to win and that's it. Their advantage will make the win that much sweeter.

You can see how low they will go with me of the back of a joke. Talking about disrespecting the hunger strikers. Insane. Absolutely insane.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 01:22AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It was a sentence. And it has since been edited to remove any unintentional bile.

I only ask as then I'm unsure why you're in here talking about MH and JG managing NY?
That's rhetorical. I don't want or expect an answer for fear of dragging this place off-topic more.

As the poster practically said Dublin's success was down to JG which is absolute bollocks imo.

Calm down mate you're the most reasonable dub fan on this forum.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 01:25AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

We beat them. You lot surrendered. An MP representing Tyrone made a mockery of men who died on hunger strike dressed up in a monkey suit to meet the Queen.

6 hunger strikers died for that because shinners let them when they had 5 demands on the table and had decided to crawl into Stormont.

So, less of the west Brits, pal.

This guy constantly brings up politics with me because I'm from the North. Surely this is not on?

Strumms · 13-08-2019 01:25AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The point is that Dublin did not have to fund a huge stadium to play their home games at. This is a massive advantage to any county and means they can use the money saved elsewhere.

So let’s make Dublin poorer...... that’s not much of a point in fairness. We ‘could’ play our Championship games in Parnell Park, then people from other counties would be complaining about the ability to get tickets.... so in truth back to the essence of the thread...’penalize’ Dublin by whatever means necessary...financially, splitting them up, playing with no boots on...whatever may SEEM fair to enable others to win more and Dublin win less... hmmm right

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:26AM

Strabanimal wrote: »

This guy constantly brings up politics with me because I'm from the North. Surely this is not on?

Report such posts and the Mods will deal with it.

Bonniedog · 13-08-2019 01:27AM

Strabanimal wrote: »

You can see how low they will go with me of the back of a joke. Talking about disrespecting the hunger strikers. Insane. Absolutely insane.

Was merely pointing to the fact that Sinn Féin current leadership concealed a deal that would have saved lives of 6 of the hunger strikers because it interfered with their plans.

I'm not making this up. Former blanketman Richard O'Rawe who was Blocks PRO wrote a book about it. Most surviving blanketmen support his view.

SF accepted Stormont.

It was you called Dubs west brits

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 01:27AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

We beat them. You lot surrendered. An MP representing Tyrone made a mockery of men who died on hunger strike dressed up in a monkey suit to meet the Queen.

6 hunger strikers died for that because shinners let them when they had 5 demands on the table and had decided to crawl into Stormont.

So, less of the west Brits, pal.

He shouldn’t have used the term West brits even though it seemed clearly in jest but that’s truly a disgusting post. Worst thing I have read on boards in a fair while.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 01:27AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Report such posts and the Mods will deal with it.

I have and he's still posting with no care so they do nothing. I'm asking for help basically

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 01:32AM

Strumms wrote: »

So let’s make Dublin poorer...... that’s not much of a point in fairness. We ‘could’ play our Championship games in Parnell Park, then people from other counties would be complaining about the ability to get tickets.... so in truth back to the essence of the thread...’penalize’ Dublin by whatever means necessary...financially, splitting them up, playing with no boots on...whatever may SEEM fair to enable others to win more and Dublin win less... hmmm right

Most of the thread has been discussing financial disparity which currently favors Dublin to a massive extent. Removing financial disparity would not be penalising Dublin.

StupidLikeAFox · 13-08-2019 01:41AM

STB. wrote: »

Development funds is to get kids playing GAA and not other sports. It has nothing to do with the success of the current Dublin squad.

The full time GDOs in Dublin clubs are responsible for developing talent at all levels of the club, not just the kids.

You are right that money doesn't buy trophies and nobody is saying Dublin haven't worked hard to get to where they are. But Dublin have the money to buy professional coaching staff, who can ensure that the volunteer coaches are trained to a higher standard, which increases professional contact time with players throughout their career, which in turn prevents good players falling through the cracks and ensures players meet their potential. Which leads to an overall improvement in standards and a higher standard of average county player.

Its an advantage Dublin have over other teams. I don't know why it's so difficult to just acknowledge that fact.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 01:48AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

He shouldn’t have used the term West brits even though it seemed clearly in jest but that’s truly a disgusting post. Worst thing I have read on boards in a fair while.

It was blantently in jest

padjocollins · 13-08-2019 06:23AM

I'm just old enough to remember watching that great Kerry team and I was sure that team would defeat any that has come and gone since, that is up to this year. the sheer talent and athleticism of that Dublin team is a sight to behold and it's a great pity there is no real competition for them right now like there was in the 70's and 80's in Kerry v Dublin. Not their fault. However they got there, they got there and it for the benefit of the gaa, other counties will have to follow suit and get more return out of their player pool. That Dublin have a much larger player base, if dublins dominance continues on a longer trend. something will prob have to be done but a solution does not come to mind. I can't for example see splitting Dublin working

Optimalprimerib · 13-08-2019 06:43AM

Whilst the funding is a factor to Dublin's success, it is not the only factor. So many other things came good at the same time.

They got a manager that cut out the superstar Hollywood bull**** that the players had in the Dublin teams before him. If someone was better than you in training, you were benched. The team started playing as a team rather than a bunch of glory hunting individuals.

Their first all-ireland win was hugely significant. As success breeds success. It was such a roy of the rovers, glorious way to win, it brought interest back to the kids, some of which now are playing in the senior panel.

Jim Gavin has no one way of playing, they can be defensive and stifle teams of scoring opportunities, all out attack and have enough heart to fight back and find a way if games are not going to plan.

Ultimately they are a monster as all of these factors and more have happened at the right time and anytime a team makes a step forward, Dublin have already made two.

RoyalCelt · 13-08-2019 06:49AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

I've been involved in Dublin hurling for nearly 50 years.

Have Meath ever beaten Dublin in a senior match during that time? Maybe when we were at our really worst, but perhaps have erased it from memory.

Leinster hurling championship 2002.

Laois 1-12 Wicklow 0-09

Westmeath 1-14 Kildare 1-10

Carlow 0-09 Meath 1-09

Meath 2-16 Laois 1-18

Westmeath 1-12 Dublin 2-12

Dublin 1-24 Meath 2-12

Wexford 3-15 Dublin 2-12

Fun fact:
Meath player Nicky Horan was the 3rd top scorer in the championship with a tally of 4-20.

There's a few results from 2002. Dublin, Meath, Laois, Westmeath and Carlow were around a similar level. If Meath got the special money treatment for hurling we could be up there with the likes of Laois. So a few other counties like Westmeath and Kildare. I've a feeling the GAA don't give two ****s about hurling in our counties however.

mcgragger · 13-08-2019 07:00AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Play the all Ireland football Final somewhere other than in Dublin. Take the home advantage away. If the final was in Killarney I'd have it a 50/50.

Playing the final at Croker is like Wembley for soccer players. It's got to be there.
Dublin fans have been outnumbered at all of the recent finals. I was at the last 5 so its not a partisan Dublin crowd. Far from it.

Dublin should have their own 30k seater stadium to get them out of Croke Park. Parnell is too small. The football team has always been well followed. Needs somewhere bigger than Parnell.

As a Dublin fan I can hardly deny there is something broken. Yeah its great winning All Irelands after the barren years but even though we are in another decider its hard for me to get excited. I'm not worried at all about facing a county that probably has the greatest pedigree of them all....that's just mad. Kerry for fu*k sake, should be terrified but no, like everyone else O think its a foregone result. It would be an absolute miracle for Kerry to win. But..... Its like if we win thats great but if we lose ill applaud Kerry as ive seen enough wins now to.last a lifetime. In 2017 a Mayo man behind me in the Cusack Stand absolutely broke down in tears after the final whistle. Devastated.
Doubt id be like that if Dublin lose but yet if we win the 5 in a row equally I doubt ill be jumping about deliriously.

Something has to happen. Splitting the county is not an option in my opinion. Dublin has always had the biggest population by far and thats not going to change. Pumping money into Longford and Leitrim isn't going to produce an all Ireland winning team ...ever.

There is an element of Jim Gavin being a brilliant manager and having a great bunch of players. The planets have aligned but also the production line is there for players. Dublin are the football version of the all blacks where the club's are set up to produce players for the motheship. Dublin has many clubs with 100s and thousands of members. The pipeline is full of strong players.

As a GAA football fan something needs to be done. At the minute Dublin have turned the All Ireland into the Leinster. Its got to be changed but I wouldn't even know where to satrt

RoyalCelt · 13-08-2019 07:11AM

Strumms wrote: »

So let’s make Dublin poorer...... that’s not much of a point in fairness. We ‘could’ play our Championship games in Parnell Park, then people from other counties would be complaining about the ability to get tickets.... so in truth back to the essence of the thread...’penalize’ Dublin by whatever means necessary...financially, splitting them up, playing with no boots on...whatever may SEEM fair to enable others to win more and Dublin win less... hmmm right

You've had a ridiculous number of advantages and effectively every team has been penalised compared to Dublin this last 15 years. Why is it such a big deal if Dublin get penalised for the next 15?

kilns · 13-08-2019 08:29AM

Black charlie wrote: »

Kerry have no chAnce in the final
Dublin’s professional fitness levels alone are enough to win the game.
I honestly think dublin will hammer Kerry and that result will be what changes everything
I can see salary caps being introduced for Dublin players

salary caps ffs :rolleyes:

kilns · 13-08-2019 08:44AM

I am sure most people would accept that this Dublin team are fantastic footballers and arguably the greatest to ever play the game.

Just to note some things however, Dublin used 21 players against Mayo on Saturday. Next year 10 of those players will be 30+. Even the most ardent Dublin haters will admit that players can only go for so long until they start to decline and being in your 30s most agree would be that.

We hear the usual line about this production line of Dublin, however, how many young players have broken through into the larger playing squad over the last 3 years? If there was such talent lining up to seamlessly replace the current players why are they not playing, Dublin are still relying in their squad overall on the older core group, look for example the players who came on as subs, McMahon, Andrews, Connolly and OSullivan. Only Costello and Murchan will be still at their peak in 2/3 years time.

So my point is that this Dublin team have a core who are aging and will take alot of replacing, yes of course players will come through to replace them but will they be as good? Who knows but most likely not. Or if no one comes in to replace these players, do people honestly think they will not decline?

So many things are cyclical and this is an example, Dublin benefitted from a perfect storm, an amazing group of players, a fantastic manager who facilitated them and the standards of other counties dropping. This enabled them to dominate for the last 5 years. But it will not last nothing ever does. If changes are made to the championship in reaction to Dublins current domination this will be a mistake. Changes need to be made for thelong term good of the game overall and not a short term reaction that will need fixing when Dublin are not dominating anymore

salmocab · 13-08-2019 08:45AM

kilns wrote: »

salary caps ffs :rolleyes:

Yes players will be forced to only do jobs that pay average industrial wage. That will show them.

STB. · 13-08-2019 08:46AM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

That is true. However, a lot of Dublin fans seem to think money is entirely irrelevant. That is idiocy of the highest order.

I have never said it is entirely irrelevant. I have said that it is condescending to the current lads that devote their time outside work to it and get the results. There are contributing factors that has us here discussing the state of the game, rather than revelling in a brilliant period in the sport where the quality of football in one county is at an all time high.

The simple fact is that after the recession the GAA decided to get organised. The tried to professionalise elements of the sport whilst continuing to not pay them. This has coincided with the emergence of a very skillfull and devoted team of players that are playing at a higher level.

The GAA realised attendance figures were dropping after 2008.

In a previous thread ClamofLams quoted the years (2005-2008) and the record attendances which were post recession. The GAA as an organisation simply never recovered to get attendences to rise outside finals. They'd like to but they went about it completely the wrong way.

Long before the Dubs went on a run, the figures were going one way. Down.

So what did the GAA do ?

They sold some of the game to a paywall company in Sky, ensuring a fragmented championship with viewing figures that matched the smallest ground attendance figures in Ireland.
They raised the price of tickets.
They introduced the Super 8's, the thinking being more games = more bums on seats.

Dominance is not a key factor, but it is a factor (and it was in the past when Kerry where dominant in the 80s). The period of dominance in the past were celebrated rather than honed in on as look what they have, rather than how can we fix our own. If you don't think Kerry were well organised as well as having good fit players, back in their period of dominance, you are only codding yourself.

To get to that level, you need to match it.

The quality of fare on display is an influencing factor in whether fans attend. Only the "fans" from those counties can answer the question why they didn't turn up to support their county at a semi final last weekend (a day on which they were also represented in the minor game).

Donnielighto · 13-08-2019 08:54AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Jesus that would be awful convenient if a post was deleted that was a complete figment of your imagination.

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While you are sleeping you can mull over the questions I've posed:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Why don't you care about the GAA bailing out other counties like Cork and Galway and thus, taking funding from Carlow and Leitrim?

Because cork and galway screwing around like they did doesn't stop too many supporters losing interest, the level of Dublin dominance is bad for the viewnunbers of the GAA overall.

The stadium thing is obvious isn't it, I presume it's due to Parnell not being invested in and Dublin being given the run of CP for championship which was built with central funds directly from a central budget.

odyssey06 · 13-08-2019 09:23AM

Donnielighto wrote: »

The stadium thing is obvious isn't it, I presume it's due to Parnell not being invested in and Dublin being given the run of CP for championship which was built with central funds directly from a central budget.

The central budget doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere.
Has its size got nothing to do with the number of fans Dublin bring to the game - both to Croke Park and on TV?

It seems to be entirely reasonable, after investing serious money in redeveloping a stadium in the capital city, to have games there and look for big attendances. How could the GAA have paid off Croke Park without those Dublin fans? Not a chance.

No way there'd be enough fans & money floating around in last 15 years for pay for the redevelopment of Croke Park, bailing out Páirc Uí Chaoimh, co-funding stadium work around the country and a 25,000 Dublin stadium (which was scuppered by the dysfunctional property market in Dublin and NAMA).
If Dublin hadn't been NAMA'd, and had built a stadium on new site, you can be sure that's where they'd be playing their games and that's where the gate money would be going.

Happyilylost · 13-08-2019 09:30AM

Too much of this to read and the same arguments. My only input would be Dublin shouldn't be playing as many games in Croke Park. No league game outside a league final. No Leinster game outside a final. Then the usual AISF, Final and one Super Eight game if they continue. This would bring them into line with the rest of the teams in Leinster/Ireland.

Dublin CB who's house is so much in order should build a purpose built stadium to cater for the needs of Dublin GAA the same as every other county with the same help from Croke Park/grants/Fundraising that other counties receive.

My wonderful Dublin friends all agree this needs to happen. There seems to be a bit of resistance to this on this site and I can't see how anyone would not see it as an advantage. The statistics back it up.

Whether other teams voted to keep them in Croke Park or not should be immaterial. The hierarchy of the GAA should put an end to the practice. Players should earn the right to play in our national stadium. It should cause them to get goosebumps when the first walk out of the tunnel. It shouldn't be used on a cold March evening to play a league game.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 09:35AM

Strabanimal wrote: »

I have and he's still posting with no care so they do nothing. I'm asking for help basically

They'll get to it. Don't worry.

@Bonniedog would you wind yer neck in.

Happyilylost · 13-08-2019 09:35AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Jesus that would be awful convenient if a post was deleted that was a complete figment of your imagination.

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While you are sleeping you can mull over the questions I've posed:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Why don't you care about the GAA bailing out other counties like Cork and Galway and thus, taking funding from Carlow and Leitrim?

Can you post a link to when the GAA bailed out Galway?

LeinsterDub · 13-08-2019 09:35AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Where are you going to build the South Dublin stadium?

You'll not need a stadium you could play it in a park such would be the interest from fans for a North or South Dublin

odyssey06 · 13-08-2019 09:36AM

Happyilylost wrote: »

Dublin CB who's house is so much in order should build a purpose built stadium to cater for the needs of Dublin GAA the same as every other county with the same help from Croke Park/grants/Fundraising that other counties receive.

Those counties wouldn't get near the same help, if HQ wasn't getting the money from Dublin fans on a packed Hill. That money would be going to the new stadium AND HQ would have to come up with at least €5 million to help.

Maybe they should build a stadium. Maybe they shouldn't. It's up to Dublin GAA to do it if it makes sense for the GAA in the county. It shouldn't be done on the basis of Dublin dominance.

LeinsterDub · 13-08-2019 09:44AM

Happyilylost wrote: »

Dublin CB who's house is so much in order should build a purpose built stadium to cater for the needs of Dublin GAA the same as every other county with the same help from Croke Park/grants/Fundraising that other counties receive.

Part of the reason some counties have struggled to complete with Dublin is they've pissed millions away of 50,000 + stadiums that are never full and rarely used. GAA should have a policy of 2 major stadiums per province.

salmocab · 13-08-2019 09:45AM

This stadium thing is very odd, ideally Dublin would have a 30,000 stadium but the reality is it would be a waste of money. Building stadiums this size for a handful of matches a year is just a waste of money. We aren’t talking about sports leagues around the world that play week in week out.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 09:45AM

Happyilylost wrote: »

Can you post a link to when the GAA bailed out Galway?

Do we not remember the audit? Or HQ now paying the loan for Athenry?

A quick Google throws up a quare amount.

Nice article in the Mirror.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/pat-nolan-cork-galway-wont-13765601

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