The Dominance of Dublin GAA Mod warning post#1

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:51AM

Strabanimal wrote: »

Calm down mate. I said you have the better players in every position. Hardly bitter in that regard.

Saying MH and his team are better isnt that outlandish like fs. No need for all the outrage.

I didn't create this thread. Opinions were asked for on here. As soon as someone expresses a counter argument to the "Dublins success is nothing to do with the many advantages they enjoy" argument posters are generally subjected to the usual "you're only bitter" nonsense.

I've already reported one post for that accusation.

Kop On · 13-08-2019 12:52AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The point is that Dublin did not have to fund a huge stadium to play their home games at. This is a massive advantage to any county and means they can use the money saved elsewhere.

It’s also a massive advantage to be able to buy land in Kerry or Tyrone and build state of the art centres of excellence for a fraction of the cost that similar sites and centres would cost in Dublin.

The reality is while other counties have invested in bricks and mortar over the past decade Dublin have invested in people.

If you think these boys have all the luxuries pay a visit to where they train, there’s underage teams around the country getting togged out in nicer set ups.

Also, any funding/sponsorship Dublin receive goes towards, all codes and age groups (football, hurling, men’s/women’s) ... the hurlers in Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc don’t see much funding I’d imagine.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:52AM

Sheep breeder wrote: »

First of all not a dub

Aka first of im fishing for likes

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:53AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I didn't create this thread. Opinions were asked for on here. As soon as someone expresses a counter argument to the "Dublins success is nothing to do with the many advantages they enjoy" argument posters are generally subjected to the usual "you're only bitter" nonsense.

I've already reported on post for that accusation.

I will ask you again:

How have Dublin been "handed a free stadium"?

Why don't you care about other counties financial mismanagement?

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:53AM

Strabanimal wrote: »

So MH won 3 AIs last decade defensively and now is competing every year attacking. But yeah JG can vary his style with top tier footballers

I think Jim Gavin would do the same with any level - he seems to be always thinking - getting to know his players inside out

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:54AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

And for every question there is usually an answer. I'm still waiting on you to back up your assertions.

How were we handed a stadium?

How is financial mismanagement in other counties not important to you?

First off Bonnie you said a few weeks ago I was on ignore because you disliked my posts. So what happened to that?

Secondly its blatently obvious you are only looking to throw the bitterness accusation around on here like confetti.

I've already reported you for that as its dragging the thread down.

Any chance you'd refrain from that kind of behaviour going forward?

STB. · 13-08-2019 12:54AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Wow yet another accusation of jealousy. Its usually the last resort when ye run out of arguments.
For the record this has nothing to do with jealousy. The thread is about Dublins perceived advantages. And as soon as someone start to discuss GAA created imbalances in the sport attempts are made to shut the debate down with accusations of jealousy.
For every argument there is a counter argument.

I have read enough of your posts to realise what your issues are. You don't listen and you have no intention of doing so.

People are stating funding imbalances as fact which is nothing to do with this current 5 in a row seeking Dublin panel. They are just superb players and gel as a team. Hard graft boy.

Its your poor mouthing attempts and refusal to listen to anyone outside your own misguided and poorly written arguments that have made every single thread that mentions Dublin turn into a cesspit.

The 15 vs 15 argument stands. Up your game, then we can talk. There was never a problem with dominance until it was the Dubs. I make no apologies for their success. God knows we had barren years between 1995 and 2011. I have no intention of standing at the crossroads talking like farmers about it.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:55AM

Bonniedog wrote: »

We beat them. You lot surrendered. An MP representing Tyrone made a mockery of men who died on hunger strike dressed up in a monkey suit to meet the Queen.

6 hunger strikers died for that because shinners let them when they had 5 demands on the table.

So, less of the west Brits, pal.

Im not your pal mate. Look up why youre a country in the first place (Thomas Clarke). No one in strabane would dare make a mockery of the hunger strikers. That's taking things too far.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 12:56AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

First off Bonnie you said a few weeks ago I was on ignore because you disliked my posts. So what happened to that?

I have never had anyone on ignore. You might be confusing me with someone else.

I'm sure you can find that post as well where I said it.

Secondly its blatently obvious you are only looking to throw the bitterness accusation around on here like confetti.

Do you know what confetti is? I used the term bitterdom ONCE, and I have since edited said post.

I've already reported you for that as its dragging the thread down.

Oh noes

Any chance you'd refrain from that kind of behaviour going forward?

Tell ya what, I'll go one better, I'll be nice to you if you can start backing up your assertions. Even just once.

[Nice ninja edit]

I have never had anyone on ignore. You might be confusing me with someone else.

I'm sure you can find that post as well where I said it.

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So again:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does financial mismanagement in other counties matter to you?

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 12:57AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think Jim Gavin would do the same with any level - he seems to be always thinking - getting to know his players inside out

It's all opinion mate. No point in discussing this

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 12:59AM

Strabanimal wrote: »

It's all opinion mate. No point in discussing this

Yeah fair enough.

This thread will look very silly if Kerry win in a few weeks time - is all I can think of.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 12:59AM

STB. wrote: »

I have read enough of your posts to realise what your issues are. You don't listen and you have no intention of doing so.

People are stating funding imbalances as fact which is nothing to do with this current 5 in a row seeking Dublin panel. They are just superb players and gel as a team. Hard graft boy.

Its your poor mouthing attempts and refusal to listen to anyone outside your own misguided and poorly written arguments that have made every single thread that mentions Dublin turn into a cesspit.

The 15 vs 15 argument stands. Up your game, then we can talk. There was never a problem with dominance until it was the Dubs. I make no apologies for their success. God knows we had barren years between 1995 and 2011. I have no intention of standing at the crossroads talking like to farmers about it.

As if I'm the only one who raised financial doping FFS. Every GAA follower in the country had talked about it at one stage or another.

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 01:02AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But again if funding/coaching and targeting of players were so good why has Dublin hurling dipped in the last six years from the high at inter-county of 2013?
Did they take a break or what?

It’s not a simple sum and I have never said funding is the sole piece of the equation rather that it has a transformative impact.

I would say and this may be not be well received by many that 2013 was a relatively poor year for the standard of hurling, the excitement and novelty was great. But Clare and Cork contested a final, neither of whom have reached that level in the immediate years before or again. It may be that Dublin were able to over achieve to an extent that year.

ToBeFrank123 · 13-08-2019 01:03AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I have never had anyone on ignore. You might be confusing me with someone else.

I'm sure you can find that post as well where I said it.

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So again:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does financial mismanagement in other counties matter to you?

I'll have a look tomorrow for the post, if whoever said it hasn't deleted it

I'm hitting the hay. Tis late.

older by the day · 13-08-2019 01:03AM

I suppose there are nearly a million people in Dublin and its surrounds, why not make a south Dublin and north Dublin team.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:04AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

As if I'm the only one who raised financial doping FFS. Every GAA follower in the country had talked about it at one stage or another.

You're the only one in every thread raising it and as of this evening the only one refusing to back up your assertions but throwing accusations around like confetti.

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How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Does the financial mismanagement in Cork not concern you as it impinges on the association as a whole and means such latent giants like Wicklow and Longford can't win All-Irelands?

StupidLikeAFox · 13-08-2019 01:04AM

STB. wrote: »

Yeah, "your aim" wont be happening, because the results are not suiting.

The solution is for your county's team to up their standards. Not devise a handicap system.

They sure as shít were not suggesting this when Kerry won the All Ireland in 1975, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986.

Conversely, nobody gave a shít about Dublin as long as they were not winning All Irelands between 1995 and 2011, despite having the population advantage.

There is no direct correlation between development funding and the success of the current Dublin squad. The whole idea of development funding was to get more kids playing the game and not soccer, rugby, athletics, boxing, and other sports. And to get them sticking at it.

This current Dublin team are all amateurs with day jobs (just google them). Off the top of my head 3 of them are the sons of previous Dublin players. There is nothing "doped" about them. They put a lot of effort and make a lot of personal concessions into conditioning themselves to be that good. Of course no amount of conditioning will make a winning machine unless there is talent there, but its a start.

Through proper management which had been sadly lacking for some time, the results are finally coming Dublins way.

Stop making excuses for your own County. I see that one of the main protagonists in this thread is from a County that hadn't had a footballing All Star since 2003, prior to last year. That County not being a small one either. To that person I'd say, stop looking for excuses. Look closer to home for your solutions. You wont find it by whinging about others.

There are 15 men on the pitch at any one time. Make sure your 15 are up to scratch. It avoids whinging after the event. The solution is one thing and one thing only. A period of dominance in GAA is nothing new. Start playing at a higher level. Thats what the Dubs had to do between 1995 and 2011 and in the 80s when Kerry won all around them. We didn't have mass hysteria.

Dublin have excellent players, no doubt some hard working volunteers and top class management, I don't think anybody would dispute that. But at the same time Central HQ has given Dublin a serious leg up, supported professional structures right down to club level, from nursery to juvenile to adult. Dublin have received way over what any other county could hope to put together it terms of time, effort and money from the GAA. Trying to say that none of this had an impact is mental.

Also, trying to say that other counties should sort themselves out is condescending, as if they are just doing nothing. Other counties dont have the luxury of full time administrators and coordinators in every club. You can't just switch that on for the majority of the country, unless the gaa start spreading the love, which they have shown no signs of doing.

ClanofLams · 13-08-2019 01:06AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yeah fair enough.

This thread will look very silly if Kerry win in a few weeks time - is all I can think of.

I wouldn’t think so personally. It will take about four or five years to judge this thread, if Kerry win in a freak match in a few weeks and Dublin cruise to the next four All Irelands many of the points raised here will be valid. The core issue being discussed here ie. funding disparity is valid regardless and the GAA admitted as much earlier this year if I recall correctly.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:07AM

older by the day wrote: »

I suppose there are nearly a million people in Dublin and its surrounds, why not make a south Dublin and north Dublin team.

Where are you going to build the South Dublin stadium?

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:07AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

I'll have a look tomorrow for the post, if whoever said it hasn't deleted it

I'm hitting the hay. Tis late.

Jesus that would be awful convenient if a post was deleted that was a complete figment of your imagination.

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While you are sleeping you can mull over the questions I've posed:

How have Dublin been handed a free stadium?

Why don't you care about the GAA bailing out other counties like Cork and Galway and thus, taking funding from Carlow and Leitrim?

STB. · 13-08-2019 01:08AM

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

As if I'm the only one who raised financial doping FFS. Every GAA follower in the country had talked about it at one stage or another.

They all have one thing in common. They don't understand what development funds are.

Stop trying to tie it into the current squad of players. You are not happy with the dominance of the Dubs, change the record.

Ingredients: Skill, gym, training, gym, training, diet, determination and management. They give up a lot of stuff we take for granted.

Its not rocket science pal.

I'm enjoying watching them as they are a joy to watch. No apologies. Good luck.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 13-08-2019 01:09AM

I don't think splitting Dublin is very practical. The fans would hate it and it would be a logistical nightmare.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:10AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

I wouldn’t think so personally. It will take about four or five years to judge this thread, if Kerry win in a freak match in a few weeks and Dublin cruise to the next four All Irelands many of the points raised here will be valid. The core issue being discussed here ie. funding disparity is valid regardless and the GAA admitted as much earlier this year if I recall correctly.

They did - something along the lines of they are seeking to 'rectify' it.

Strabanimal · 13-08-2019 01:10AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I know you have problems sometimes thinking that we're all agin ya but that post was aimed at Frankie boy who only piped up in your defence because I had the temerity to criticise you previously.

Have you anything to say on the Dublin financial "doping" situation? Or do you think we're all hyped up and therefore this is all a flash in the pan?

You mentioned my bitter agenda for a full paragraph? I have never complained about that but I have always stated you're overrated. The top teams are rebuilding as you're winning.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2019 01:11AM

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I don't think splitting Dublin is very practical. The fans would hate it and it would be a logistical nightmare.

Plus there is the 'brand' issue - leinster council would not go for it.

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:12AM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Dublin have excellent players, no doubt some hard working volunteers and top class management, I don't think anybody would dispute that. But at the same time Central HQ has given Dublin a serious leg up, supported professional structures right down to club level, from nursery to juvenile to adult. Dublin have received way over what any other county could hope to put together it terms of time, effort and money from the GAA. Trying to say that none of this had an impact is mental.

Also, trying to say that other counties should sort themselves out is condescending, as if they are just doing nothing. Other counties dont have the luxury of full time administrators and coordinators in every club. You can't just switch that on for the majority of the country, unless the gaa start spreading the love, which they have shown no signs of doing.

They could do if the CBs created business plans that made sense for HQ to back.

Remember we have counties where the CB lock their hurlers out of their own stadium because minor football. I mean what do you do with that?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/regan-blasts-offaly-board-over-hurlers-treatment-157880.html

Do you want to give these people money?

Black charlie · 13-08-2019 01:12AM

Kerry have no chAnce in the final
Dublin’s professional fitness levels alone are enough to win the game.
I honestly think dublin will hammer Kerry and that result will be what changes everything
I can see salary caps being introduced for Dublin players

BonnieSituation · 13-08-2019 01:15AM

Strabanimal wrote: »

You mentioned my bitter agenda for a full paragraph?

It was a sentence. And it has since been edited to remove any unintentional bile.

I have never complained about that but I have always stated you're overrated. The top teams are rebuilding as you're winning.

I only ask as then I'm unsure why you're in here talking about MH and JG managing NY?
That's rhetorical. I don't want or expect an answer for fear of dragging this place off-topic more.

STB. · 13-08-2019 01:17AM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Dublin have excellent players, no doubt some hard working volunteers and top class management, I don't think anybody would dispute that. But at the same time Central HQ has given Dublin a serious leg up, supported professional structures right down to club level, from nursery to juvenile to adult. Dublin have received way over what any other county could hope to put together it terms of time, effort and money from the GAA. Trying to say that none of this had an impact is mental.

Also, trying to say that other counties should sort themselves out is condescending, as if they are just doing nothing. Other counties dont have the luxury of full time administrators and coordinators in every club. You can't just switch that on for the majority of the country, unless the gaa start spreading the love, which they have shown no signs of doing.

Its not condescending. It is condescending to listen to the continued blind mantra of yeah they have loads of money which equals success. You'd swear the Dublin players were genetically modified with bionic arms and magically bought powers.

Development funds is to get kids playing GAA and not other sports. It has nothing to do with the success of the current Dublin squad.

Truth is its purely skill, strength and conditioning by a group of amateur lads with day jobs that give up their time and have the mindset to avoid luxuries that we take everyday for granted. Its condescending to those players to suggest that money is the key.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 13-08-2019 01:18AM

STB. wrote: »

Its not condescending. It is condescending to listen to the continued blind mantra of yeah they have loads of money which equals success. You'd swear the Dublin players were genetically modified with bionic arms and magically bought powers.

Truth is its purely skill, strength and conditioning by a group of amateur lads with day jobs that give up their time and have the mindset to avoid luxuries that we take everyday for granted. Its condescending to those players to suggest that money is the key.

That is true. However, a lot of Dublin fans seem to think money is entirely irrelevant. That is idiocy of the highest order.

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