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carsfan2 · 05-08-2019 10:39AM

bazz26 wrote: »

Interesting to read that the forthcoming 330e may well start at around 1k less than an equivalent 320d when you include the grants:

https://www.carsireland.ie/reviews/bmw/3-series/bmw-3-series-plug-in

Will also probably depend on what they do in the budget around tax changes on diesels and/or hybrids.

I read that elsewhere too.
I’d say they will shift a fair few more with the current anti diesel thinking.
292 hp with the extra boost facility. Pretty quick.
I reckon they will push these big time.

How things change. When I approached my local BMW dealer in 2016 with a view to order a 330e I was told point blank such a car didn’t exist. I pointed out that the press had done early drive reviews and pricing had been announced but sales guy was still sceptical.
Then turned to his computer went to his configurator and there it was ready for ordering....
Didn’t buy from them after.

I wouldn’t mind a test drive in a new one but can’t see myself ever buying new BMW again.
Depreciation is too high in new cars especially so called premium cars these days and supply of almost new cars at better prices is too plentiful to justify it.
Also it’s very difficult to know at the moment to future proof diesel, petrol hybrid electric and after the government screws with vrt and changes/ removes grants for hybrids and electric things will be more muddled. That’s before brexit and the whole cheap sterling imports come into the equation.
Very hard to know where to go next.

JoeA3 · 05-08-2019 11:29AM

Depreciation on any new BMW makes them a crazy proposition to buy new imo. Wait 12-18 months and pick a very fresh one up - for 15-20k less than new.

Cyrus · 05-08-2019 11:40AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Depreciation on any new BMW makes them a crazy proposition to buy new imo. Wait 12-18 months and pick a very fresh one up - for 15-20k less than new.

Same for any new anything really

JoeA3 · 05-08-2019 11:41AM

Cyrus wrote: »

Same for any new anything really

Yeah but the BMW's seem to suffer it more than most, or maybe I'm just more acutely aware of it!

Cyrus · 05-08-2019 12:24PM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Yeah but the BMW's seem to suffer it more than most, or maybe I'm just more acutely aware of it!

I don’t think Mercedes or Audi are any better % wise in my experience:(

carsfan2 · 05-08-2019 01:02PM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Yeah but the BMW's seem to suffer it more than most, or maybe I'm just more acutely aware of it!

I think all are depreciating faster than before but especially the so-called premium cars. Audi, BMW Mercedes etc.

Problem is that as enthusiasts we invariably want a car that isn’t your basic bottom of the rung model. We want m sport with toys or bigger engines or both. This puts up the purchase costs hugely but you never get any of this back in trade in where the dealer will tell you that your car is only worth a bit more than the basic model.
Invariably then they sell it on at an inflated price on the basis it’s got all the extras they told you were worthless!

Wailin · 05-08-2019 01:24PM

Are you tempted to change the G31 carsfan? Is the new 3 series a temptation at all? Sat in one in Quinns recently and it really is a nice place to be. Not much smaller than my F10, very little in it actually. I didn't drive one but all reports are best in class apparently.

carsfan2 · 06-08-2019 11:16AM

Wailin wrote: »

Are you tempted to change the G31 carsfan? Is the new 3 series a temptation at all? Sat in one in Quinns recently and it really is a nice place to be. Not much smaller than my F10, very little in it actually. I didn't drive one but all reports are best in class apparently.

No. I’m always looking at cars and musing but I cant fault the G31. Brilliant all rounder. I don’t need the size really but find it very comfortable.
The new 3 is a fine car and I sat into one and wouldn’t mind a drive but they are too dear new especially when the 5 is no dearer. I’ve been doing the numbers on a 540i import as that would be tempting but vrt is ridiculous at 15/16k for a 2018.
The Tesla 3 performance is interesting and good value but I don’t have faith in the company or the quality and after sales.

carsfan2 · 08-08-2019 10:02AM

Any of you guys any experience of BMW warranty extensions? Our other car coming up on three years old next month and trying to decide on whether to take out a BMW extended warranty on it.
I’ve heard that these can be expensive and not cover lots of items.
Thanks

JoeA3 · 08-08-2019 10:28AM

carsfan2 wrote: »

Any of you guys any experience of BMW warranty extensions? Our other car coming up on three years old next month and trying to decide on whether to take out a BMW extended warranty on it.
I’ve heard that these can be expensive and not cover lots of items.
Thanks

Yeah, a buddy is about to take out cover on his 430d. You can choose the level of cover you want, from comprehensive (which is effectively the same as what you have today) or named components, e.g. Drivetrain only, gearbox only, etc.

For him, drivetrain only with a €300 excess was about €325 for the year. Comprehensive was around €500.

I imagine it depends too on the car model and your mileage.

Casati · 08-08-2019 10:31AM

JoeA3 wrote: »

Yeah, a buddy is about to take out cover on his 430d. You can choose the level of cover you want, from comprehensive (which is effectively the same as what you have today) or named components, e.g. Drivetrain only, gearbox only, etc.

For him, drivetrain only with a €300 excess was about €325 for the year. Comprehensive was around €500.

I imagine it depends too on the car model and your mileage.

Comprehensive is v good value - the bills on these cars can be massive, eg cracked sub frame on a friends car cost 4K to fix but was covered under the extended warranty

JoeA3 · 08-08-2019 10:44AM

Yeah I suppose it is. You have to weigh up the likelihood of having a big bills problem. To "break even" on the comprehensive one above, you'd need to have a problem that costs in excess of 800 quid.

The EGR went in my own car a few weeks ago, no idea what it would have cost out of warranty, probably several hundred anyway!

carsfan2 · 08-08-2019 11:39AM

Can’t get an exact quote until September as the warranty runs out at the end of that month but they said approximately 800 to 1200 euro going from zero excess to 335euro excess for cheapest.
Will probably go with the higher excess for 800 odd.

As an aside how are you getting on with the 4 series Joe? Egr valve not withstanding is it a suitable golf R replacement?

MarkN · 08-08-2019 01:58PM

It's hard to know if the premium is justified, with a high excess it probably always is but the same excess then bites you if you do end up using it.

JoeA3 · 08-08-2019 03:11PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

As an aside how are you getting on with the 4 series Joe? Egr valve not withstanding is it a suitable golf R replacement?

It's not a Golf R replacement really as its a very different car. I find it a very good "all rounder". It gets used for the day to day stuff much more than the Golf did as its a much more useable practical car. And cheap to run (finance/depreciation aside). So I am very happy with it overall, yes. It does everything pretty well, without exciting me too much!

That said, my priorities have shifted away from cars massively in recent times, I've started a new house build, so if I could go back in time to the day I walked out of the VW garage after leaving back the R with ~12K in my back pocket I'd have kept that cash rather than giving it to the BMW dealers.... As it stands I'm midway through a PCP arrangement and it would be very costly to get out of it.

carsfan2 · 08-08-2019 04:47PM

I forgot how well you did on that R. I can’t see a BMW dealer being as decent in similar circumstances and unfortunately if your pcp is anything like mine was you won’t have any equity to speak of at the end.
Still best looking car BMW make though the 4 gc.
Best of luck on the house building front too.

JoeA3 · 08-08-2019 06:34PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

I forgot how well you did on that R. I can’t see a BMW dealer being as decent in similar circumstances and unfortunately if your pcp is anything like mine was you won’t have any equity to speak of at the end.
Still best looking car BMW make though the 4 gc.
Best of luck on the house building front too.

Yeah that’s the killer. I expect the car to have very little equity. There’s a good chance I’ll just refinance the balloon and truck on with it at least another year beyond the 3 years.

bazz26 · 13-08-2019 11:53PM

Good review of the new G20 330e:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSJZtRQ19Io

hooch-85 · 14-08-2019 09:24AM

Tempted Bazz?

digiman · 14-08-2019 11:32AM

The M340i is on the configuration page now. About €80k for the spec I would want.

If I could pick up a demo for €65k which is the same price as the Tesla Model 3 Performance then it would be a tough choice. Other consideration is that I should get a much better trade in price for my car with BMW than I would with Tesla. In a recent chat with a BMW dealer they would allow me €40k on my own car against a 2nd hand car so should be even more to play with a new car. I was pleasantly surprised by that offer. 2.9% pcp at the moment also but that’s only on new cars I assume.

14-08-2019 12:07PM

digiman wrote: »

The M340i is on the configuration page now. About €80k for the spec I would want &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;

If I could pick up a demo for €65k ..............

Not at all unrealistic I would think........... 10k kms or so and buying a 121 in April/May direction and you should be able to pull that off I expect.

carsfan2 · 14-08-2019 01:57PM

digiman wrote: »

The M340i is on the configuration page now. About €80k for the spec I would want.

If I could pick up a demo for €65k which is the same price as the Tesla Model 3 Performance then it would be a tough choice. Other consideration is that I should get a much better trade in price for my car with BMW than I would with Tesla. In a recent chat with a BMW dealer they would allow me €40k on my own car against a 2nd hand car so should be even more to play with a new car. I was pleasantly surprised by that offer. 2.9% pcp at the moment also but that’s only on new cars I assume.

Is your touring 2017 or 2018?
Seems a good price if if a 2017.
I have seen very few new model 3 series on the road yet. I suspect they have not sold well here at all yet which might change with the 330e.

digiman · 14-08-2019 02:18PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

Is your touring 2017 or 2018?
Seems a good price if if a 2017.
I have seen very few new model 3 series on the road yet. I suspect they have not sold well here at all yet which might change with the 330e.

2017. It is very high spec in fairness but they normally don’t take that into account!!

Phileas Frog · 14-08-2019 02:31PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Interesting to read that the forthcoming 330e may well start at around 1k less than an equivalent 320d when you include the grants:

https://www.carsireland.ie/reviews/bmw/3-series/bmw-3-series-plug-in

Will also probably depend on what they do in the budget around tax changes on diesels and/or hybrids.

According to that, there's less than 1000 premium for an M Sport 330e but when you look at BMW.ie there's ~5000 premium for an M Sport on a 320d. Something doesn't add up...

carsfan2 · 14-08-2019 04:18PM

digiman wrote: »

2017. It is very high spec in fairness but they normally don’t take that into account!!

Mine is 2017 with m sport plus, comfort, technology and visibility pack and a few other bits so possibly similar. I would be delighted to get 40k on a trade in, had figured 35. I’d say you might only get around that against Tesla.
I configured the m340i and easily got to 80k too.
Running costs on it would be far higher than Tesla. The biggest cost as ever would be the depreciation...

Edit. I keep an eye on the x3 m40i that was the BMW first car for sale in Colm Quinn’s. Price has come down 3k recently. For closer to 60k I think would be a great buy. It can’t have been too badly treated in its short life?!

bazz26 · 14-08-2019 10:42PM

hooch-85 wrote: »

Tempted Bazz?

Na, the 530d is a keeper for a good while yet. I'd love the 18 440i GC for sale on carzone alright but there is still way too much money on it.

Phileas Frog wrote: »

According to that, there's less than 1000 premium for an M Sport 330e but when you look at BMW.ie there's ~5000 premium for an M Sport on a 320d. Something doesn't add up...

The SEI grants on the hybrid?

carsfan2 · 14-08-2019 11:04PM

It doesn’t matter what the fuel savings are on the likes of 330e or the fact it is a grand cheaper over 320d, depreciation will be spectacular as ever so total cost of ownership is high.

mickdw · 14-08-2019 11:42PM

530e seems to be holding reasonable value.
Certainly from my side, looking at m sport for around 35k, they don't exist yet.

bazz26 · 15-08-2019 12:22AM

mickdw wrote: »

530e seems to be holding reasonable value.
Certainly from my side, looking at m sport for around 35k, they don't exist yet.

Not far off though, especially if you were a straight deal buyer:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2354139&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D10%26o%5B%5D%3D87%26f%3D3%26g%3D0

Heres Johnny · 15-08-2019 07:11AM

Going to go look at that 530e at the weekend if I can. Always really liked the idea of them and test drove a few 330e last year but just couldn't resist buying another 5 series in the end. Anyone like to hazard a guess what I'd be offered on a trade in for a f10 530d msport 2014 with 70k kms on it against one of these?

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