New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation

Cheerful Spring2 · 28-07-2019 12:56pm #1

Since this is new decided it needed a new thread. Rare for an entire fire department to come out and side with the truthers. You often see one firefighter voice an opinion and they belong to a fire department.

"The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District, which oversees a volunteer fire department serving a hamlet of 30,000 residents just outside of Queens, New York, became the first legislative body in the country to officially support a new investigation into the events of 9/11.

The resolution, drafted and introduced by Commissioner Christopher Gioia, was unanimously approved by the five commissioners. Members of the audience — including the families of fallen firefighters Thomas J. Hetzel and Robert Evans, both Franklin Square natives

Speaking to those still present after the meeting, Gioia made it clear that this was the first step in a long process. Their goal now is to get every fire district in the state to go on record supporting a new 9/11 investigation.

After a pause, Gioia added, “We were the first fire district to pass this resolution. We won’t be the last.”

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/540-new-york-area-fire-commissioners-make-history-call-for-new-9-11-investigation

Dohnjoe · 28-07-2019 4:24pm

Looks like the "Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry" loons who are endlessly trying to get some reinvestigation into 911 have convinced the members of a fire station to back them

Their "overwhelming evidence", that it was all some vague inside job, includes the BBC mistakenly reporting on WTC 7 falling I kid you not

The never-ending quest to squeeze more money out of 911 truthers continues

The Nal · 29-07-2019 1:43pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Looks like the "Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry" loons who are endlessly trying to get some reinvestigation into 911 have convinced the members of a fire station to back them

Their "overwhelming evidence", that it was all some vague inside job, includes the BBC mistakenly reporting on WTC 7 falling I kid you not

The never-ending quest to squeeze more money out of 911 truthers continues

Oh Jesus I missed the BBC part.

Duped a volunteer fire department into believing this nonsense. Cash is king!

I stumbled across a great theory though.

"The destruction of WTC was an occult ritual.

The Twin Towers represented Boaz and Jachin, the columns at the entrance to the Temple of Solomon

Boaz and Jachin represent the two key energies: ying and yang, male and female, strength and beauty, north and south, up and down (duality - like the Star of David)

WTC builder, Rockefeller, says the buildings are the perfect combination of "utility and beauty"; he also owns Jerusalem museum housing remains from Temple of Solomon

Luciferianism predicts/wants a new age of transhumanism; Kaballah and freemasonry believe one attains perfection by mastering and combining male and female energies

Twin Towers destroyed in consciousness altering event at start of millenium to usher in this new era of transhumanism

Replaced by Freedom Tower where both towers are combined, one up and one down, like a Star of David

2001: Space Odyssey is about man's evolution to transhumanism - he touches the black monolith and transcends human form to a space baby

9/11 happened in 2001, next to the Millenium hotel designed to look like the black monolith

Madrid bombing was 911 days after 9/11

Sept 11 is the first day of the coptic calendar, first month is named after Thoth

2001 was the start of the new millenium not 2000 (there was no year zero)"

Cheerful Spring2 · 29-07-2019 3:37pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Looks like the "Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry" loons who are endlessly trying to get some reinvestigation into 911 have convinced the members of a fire station to back them

Their "overwhelming evidence", that it was all some vague inside job, includes the BBC mistakenly reporting on WTC 7 falling I kid you not

The never-ending quest to squeeze more money out of 911 truthers continues

Fire department does not believe the official story. Lot of people in official circles don't. Skeptics are convinced it just truthers who believe 9/11 was a inside job, but again they are wrong and ignore the evidence available.

Dohnjoe · 29-07-2019 3:41pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Skeptics are convinced it just truthers who believe 9/11 was a inside job, but again they are wrong and ignore the evidence available.

Nothing to do with tribalism. It's down to facts.

Cheerful Spring2 · 29-07-2019 4:45pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nothing to do with tribalism. It's down to facts.

False facts. FBI and whistleblowers have come forward over the years and revealed a very different story to the official line. Some of these whistleblowers about 9/11 were gotten to and sibel edwards is one. You never heard of her of course. William Binney considered one of the original creators of the NSA agency and he too has claimed 9/11 was an inside job. FBI agents involved in Pentbom 9/11 investigation also made claims the official line about 9/11 is false and not accurate.

Dohnjoe · 29-07-2019 5:08pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

False facts.

According to you personally. It's historically accepted fact, and as mentioned so many times already there is no plausible alternative theory with credible evidence. None, zero, zilch.

This thread is about a fire district being convinced by some crank artists. Fine. I believe there are hundreds of fire district's in NY, so they have some way to go.

As usual, it's a whole bunch of nothing.

Cheerful Spring2 · 29-07-2019 6:02pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

According to you personally. It's historically accepted fact, and as mentioned so many times already there is no plausible alternative theory with credible evidence. None, zero, zilch.

This thread is about a fire district being convinced by some crank artists. Fine. I believe there are hundreds of fire district's in NY, so they have some way to go.

As usual, it's a whole bunch of nothing.

Mainstream accepted no. Is there evidence for a conspiracy yes.

Of course you don't think its weird Al Qeada members were busy and doing their thing and the CIA was aware of it and never stopped 9/11. Of course nothing to see here move along!

Convinced by truther cranks, there actually no evidence for this all. How can a truther site convince an entire fire department to call for a new investigation?

Dohnjoe · 29-07-2019 6:25pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Is there evidence for a conspiracy yes.

Is there credible evidence for a plausible theory? Not in the slightest. None from Mr Gage, nothing from AE911, nothing from any other group or individual. 18 years and zero.

Just bull**** merchants making money off the last remaining diehard truthers

Cheerful Spring2 · 29-07-2019 9:32pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Is there credible evidence for a plausible theory? Not in the slightest. None from Mr Gage, nothing from AE911, nothing from any other group or individual. 18 years and zero.

Just bull**** merchants making money off the last remaining diehard truthers

According to you AE911 theory about the collapses is not credible. In my opinion the only weak points is they have no evidence who exactly planted the demolitions and there explosive evidence is not great, but since NIST never tested for explosive either its a moot point.

There engineering work is sound and clear to anyone who looked into they have solid foundation there. NIST work is just nonsense and truly debunked over the years, and we need a new investigation. This event caused millions to displaced in the middle east and cost hundreds of thousands of lives, 3000 lives lost in New York and Washington. True transparent investigation open discussion about everything needs to be held.

Dohnjoe · 29-07-2019 10:30pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

In my opinion the only weak points is they have no evidence who exactly planted the demolitions and there explosive evidence is not great, but since NIST never tested for explosive either its a moot point.

Bingo

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The Nal · 30-07-2019 9:29am

"the only weak points is they have no evidence"

lol

Overheal · 30-07-2019 12:36pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There engineering work is sound and clear to anyone who looked into they have solid foundation there.

No. No they do not.

Cheerful Spring2 · 30-07-2019 2:29pm

Overheal wrote: »

No. No they do not.

We have to agree to disagree. The official study about WTC7 collapse has not adequately explained how 82 columns across the width of the building on all sides/corners- east to west, north to south collapsed inside a few seconds. This can not be at all explained by natural building crushing, bending or slow progressive breakages.

Online we have visually real time video of the collapse at 5.20pm and everyone whos not blind can see the failures was fast and rapid just after the penthouse caved in. NIST ignores the building was mostly stiff and was not shaking- or reacting to multiple floor collapses. You can not ignore all the data points that do show the collapse was very fast.

NIST also ignores there no outside evidence floors were collapsing inside the building, they competely ignore the absence of dust plumes, the breaking of windows, and other visual clues across the width of the building. You want me to trust this group when they failed for six years to spot the building had underwent a freefall condition?

They were shown up by an opponent physics teacher and within matter of a few months they completely changed their whole opinion and freefall had occurred. They placed it in and then waffled about its implications and lied they had thought about this all the time during six year study.rolleyes: Sure NIST we have video that proves 100 per cent this is a fabricated lie. I have explained the other lies they put out there in their study, so no need to go over it again. The Truthers are holding them to account for their fake study.

King Mob · 30-07-2019 2:44pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We have to agree to disagree. The official study about WTC7 collapse has not adequately explained how 82 columns across the width of the building on all sides/corners- east to west, north to south collapsed inside a few seconds. This can not be at all explained by natural building crushing, bending or slow progressive breakages.

Online we have visually real time video of the collapse at 5.20pm and everyone whos not blind can see the failures was fast and rapid just after the penthouse caved in. NIST ignores the building was mostly stiff and was not shaking- or reacting to multiple floor collapses. You can not ignore all the data points that do show the collapse was very fast.

NIST also ignores there no outside evidence floors were collapsing inside the building, they competely ignore the absence of dust plumes, the breaking of windows, and other visual clues across the width of the building. You want me to trust this group when they failed for six years to spot the building had underwent a freefall condition?

They were shown up by an opponent physics teacher and within matter of a few months they completely changed their whole opinion and freefall had occurred. They placed it in and then waffled about its implications and lied they had thought about this all the time during six year study.rolleyes: Sure NIST we have video that proves 100 per cent this is a fabricated lie. I have explained the other lies they put out there in their study, so no need to go over it again. The Truthers are holding them to account for their fake study.

So what new research do this new group present?

Cheerful Spring2 · 30-07-2019 3:08pm

King Mob wrote: »

So what new research do this new group present?

Due this summer. If not out this year, then they have delayed and work away and complain.

Dohnjoe · 30-07-2019 3:21pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The official study about WTC7 collapse

And WTC 1 and WTC 2. Let's not "conveniently" forget them, you (and the Lawyers committee for 911 Inquiry) maintain they were also blown up.

King Mob · 30-07-2019 3:32pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Due this summer. If not out this year, then they have delayed and work away and complain.

The Commissioners presented a report that isn't out yet?

Or do you mean Hulsey's report that is already a few years late?

Cheerful Spring2 · 30-07-2019 3:41pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And WTC 1 and WTC 2. Let's not "conveniently" forget them, you (and the Lawyers committee for 911 Inquiry) maintain they were also blown up.

I have taken the position there was cover up and WTC7 was demolished on purpose. I see undeniable proof there.

WTC1 and 2 the evidence is not as clear cut, NIST proposed a theory and while there issues with it, it much harder to dispute. The floor trusses did buckle and pull in the side walls, i agree with NIST about this. I disgree on one point, there is evidence the steel hat truss collapsed first ( NIST says no to this) and after this then the floor trusses failed and pulled in corner walls. I also dislike NIST complete failure to explain the unfolding collapse. They only released a study about how it begun. I'm interested in knowing what their explantatioon was for top half of the building exploding in mid air and the pulverised concrete?

Cheerful Spring2 · 30-07-2019 4:06pm

King Mob wrote: »

The Commissioners presented a report that isn't out yet?

Or do you mean Hulsey's report that is already a few years late?

Hulsey report obviously. A comprehensive study takes awhile to complete. I prefer he gets it right then rush it. The Skeptics will be scrutinising every aspect of it when its out, we all know this. One big mistake the study will be worthless.

The fire department is demanding a new 9/11 investigation. They said they are not alone and more fire departments will be coming onboard.

Even if you don't believe building or buildings were demolished on 9/11, the evidence clearly does show this attack was allowed to go ahead. There plenty of information out there now the hijackers were well organised and had help. The CIA had all the information they needed to stop the attacks, and they hindered the normal process of recieveing information about terrorists. I think the American public and the world should demand answers to why two well known high level Al Qeada operatives were allowed to operate inside the United States freely for two years and board flight 77 on 9/11. CIA has refused to answer this and it still protect by state secrets acts and this is just not good enough when 9/11 has changed the world since 2001.

King Mob · 30-07-2019 4:19pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Hulsey report obviously.

Sorry, I asked what research the Fire commissioners presented.
They can't have presented a study that is not out.

So what did they present?

Dohnjoe · 30-07-2019 4:41pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I have taken the position there was cover up and WTC7 was demolished on purpose.

You've taken the position that all 3 buildings were blown up. Are you now changing that?

jeremyj1968 · 01-08-2019 5:56am

I read about this story online and I think it is great news. Hopefully it will lead to some action being taken and a proper report in to the events. Or at least it could start others questioning the events. Because the official story does not make any sense.

And Cheerful, I don't know why you even bother with this forum. All you get is smart ar$e remarks similar to the two posts above.

King Mob · 01-08-2019 6:13am

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

And Cheerful, I don't know why you even bother with this forum. All you get is smart ar$e remarks similar to the two posts above.

Given that none of our points can be addressed, and you guys are so upset by simple and direct questions maybe you should seek out a safe space where your theories and opinions won't be critically examined.

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 10:59am

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I read about this story online and I think it is great news. Hopefully it will lead to some action being taken and a proper report in to the events. Or at least it could start others questioning the events. Because the official story does not make any sense.

You think we need to question World War 2 more because some people think the Holocaust was a hoax? (e.g. Cheerful)

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 6:13pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I read about this story online and I think it is great news. Hopefully it will lead to some action being taken and a proper report in to the events. Or at least it could start others questioning the events. Because the official story does not make any sense.

And Cheerful, I don't know why you even bother with this forum. All you get is smart ar$e remarks similar to the two posts above.

There so opposed to new investigation and sad really. Even when a fire department signs on asking for a new investigation, they resort to same bull**** responses. They don't examine the evidence at all. They are convinced they got the whole truth by looking at the evidence on wikipedia. Completely ignorning all the side information that has leaked out over the years. Even a congressional senate investigation concluded the 9/11 hijackers got state sponsored help, yet these findings got buried in a 28 page 9/11 commission classified report and that took 15 years to come out. Of course Skeptics don't bother with facts and never wonder why Saudi Arabia state involvement with 9/11 was not mentioned when they decided to go after Iraq in 2003.

True, but some of the posters are ok even i don't agree with them. There only one guy who gets real personel and tries to detrail.

King Mob · 01-08-2019 6:20pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There so opposed to new investigation and sad really. Even when a fire department signs on asking for a new investigation, they resort to same bull**** responses. They don't examine the evidence at all.

But this fire department has not produced any new evidence or research or anything at all...

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 6:34pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There so opposed to new investigation and sad really.

The case is closed. Only conspiracy theorists (and a few they've convinced) want a re-investigation.

Even when a fire department signs on asking for a new investigation, they resort to same bull**** responses.

Yeah a tiny fire department who have been convinced by truthers. They'll likely change their stance shortly when they start getting questions about their bizarre position.

They don't examine the evidence at all.

Not true

They are convinced they got the whole truth by looking at the evidence on wikipedia.

Not true

Completely ignorning all the side information that has leaked out over the years.

aaand not true

Even a congressional senate investigation concluded the 9/11 hijackers got state sponsored help, yet these findings got buried in a 28 page 9/11 commission classified report and that took 15 years to come out. Of course Skeptics don't bother with facts and never wonder why Saudi Arabia state involvement with 9/11 was not mentioned when they decided to go after Iraq in 2003.

Another distortion and (deliberate) misinterpretation of information

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 6:37pm

King Mob wrote: »

But this fire department has not produced any new evidence or research or anything at all...

And some important context

https://www.metabunk.org/franklin-square-and-munson-board-of-fire-commissioners-9-11-resolution.t10842/

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 6:57pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

And some important context

https://www.metabunk.org/franklin-square-and-munson-board-of-fire-commissioners-9-11-resolution.t10842/

Mike is very upset this happened

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I have mixed feelings about this. One the one hand it's a worrying development when local government commission are wasting time with baseless conspiracy theories.

Know Mike they don't think the allegations are baseless like you do. Some of their firefighters died at the world trade center and they find the truther evidence provided to the grand jury compelling. This grand jury is still operating in secret and part of the law, so they don't have to tell us what happening till its concluded. The firefighter department just signing their names to the petition and they claim more departments will follow soon, maybe he knows more than all of us?

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 7:19pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The case is closed. Only conspiracy theorists (and a few they've convinced) want a re-investigation.

Yeah a tiny fire department who have been convinced by truthers. They'll likely change their stance shortly when they start getting questions about their bizarre position.

Not true

Not true

aaand not true

Another distortion and (deliberate) misinterpretation of information

Case is not closed. There 9/11 evidence provided to the grand jury and we have to wait and see on this. There is the hulsey report coming out. Fire department signing on and demanding a new investigation. FBI was sued recenty for 9/11 documents. Over 40 per cent of the American population right now believes 9/11 was a conspiracy and increasing over time.

Nope the congressional senate investigation was more damning about Saudis sponsoring 9/11- then the 9/11 commission took over and kept a classified section of the report- the now famous 28 pages and those pages got watered down when released to the public . We had to wait till 2016, 15 whole years later, 12 years after the 9/11 commission report findings. There know distortion of the facts the 9/11 commission delibarately hide information about the attacks from the public for 15 years and by this time, 9/11 was a memory for most Americans. If this information came out in 2001, it would have destroyed the Saudi cosy relationship with the Americans and opened new avenues of investigations and official media would be demanding answers.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-08-2019 7:21pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Due this summer. If not out this year, then they have delayed and work away and complain.

Same as your "Dr" Hulsey and his report?

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 7:29pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Same as your "Dr" Hulsey and his report?

Difference is i know its coming out.

NIST had many delays and took them six years to get a report out.

Hulsey had 3 to 4 years, so far and latest i heard is, they hope to have it out by the end of summer time, this year. Hulsey is not working for Skeptics, he release when it finished.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-08-2019 7:36pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Difference is i know its coming out.

NIST had many delays and took them six years to get a report out.

Hulsey had 3 to 4 years, so far and latest i heard is, they hope to have it out by the end of summer time, this year. Hulsey is not working for Skeptics, he release when it finished.

Pretty sure you said that last year.

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 7:42pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Pretty sure you said that last year.

I said this this year in March or April 2019, it now August 2019. I thought he might record his speech in May at ASCE Alaska- unfortunately no video footage.

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 7:43pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Case is not closed.

Yeah it is.

Remember just because a handful of insane people have decided that Sandy Hook was an inside job, doesn't mean it's an "open case". Likewise for 911. This crap will go on for decades, don't underestimate the stamina of these people.

There 9/11 evidence provided to the grand jury and we have to wait and see on this.

Some legal fruitcakes have sent in paperwork that the court is obliged to accept, it's a formality

There is the hulsey report coming out.

Pretty sure Hulsey is counting on passing away before that thing ever comes out (4 years and counting)

Fire department signing on and demanding a new investigation.

Careful there, it's a fire district. Made up of administrators who are paid 10k a year. I would bet good money in the next few months they will reverse their decision or just let it all slide under the carpet

40 per cent of the American population right now believes 9/11 was a conspiracy and increasing over time.

Cool and 45% of Americans believe in ghosts, it's meaningless

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 7:51pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I said this this year in March or April 2019, it now August 2019. I thought he might record his speech in May at ASCE Alaska- unfortunately no video footage.

Here's a post from you on 07-09-2018

Dr Hulsey has provided an update on his WTC7 collapse research study. He just a month or two out from release.

Here's another post from you on 15-10-2018

A 300,000 dollar WTC7 study is only weeks away from being released

When you were asked again when it would be released here's your response the same day

November or December this year.

So yeah in 2018 you said it would be out in 2018

Why can't you just be honest?

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 8:00pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yeah it is.

Remember just because a handful of insane people have decided that Sandy Hook was an inside job, doesn't mean it's an "open case". Likewise for 911. This crap will go on for decades, don't underestimate the stamina of these people.

Some legal fruitcakes have sent in paperwork that the court is obliged to accept, it's a formality

Pretty sure Hulsey is counting on passing away before that thing ever comes out (4 years and counting)

Careful there, it's a fire district. Made up of administrators who are paid 10k a year. I would bet good money in the next few months they will reverse their decision or just let it all slide under the carpet

Cool and 45% of Americans believe in ghosts, it's meaningless

Sandy hook conspiracy was promoted by Alex Jones and his fringe fanbase online. Who from the mainstream actually believes Sandy hook was a conspiracy?

9/11 is very different.
Numerous government officials specifically FBI agents involved in the 9/11 investigation- they are mainstream, have come out, and said the public was lied to and they went even further and said there was a delibarate attempt to cover up who was involved in it. Do you think you know more then the officials who were part of the teams investigating 9/11? Do yo they are lying when they said on video some of them their superiors told them to look know further and don't investigate Saudi and Pakistan links to 9/11?

You keep comparing sandy hook to 9/11 and is way off topic, just a silly attempt to keep discarding all the evidence available.

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 8:06pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Here's a post from you on 07-09-2018

Here's another post from you on 15-10-2018

When you were asked again when it would be released here's your response the same day

So yeah in 2018 you said it would be out in 2018

Why can't you just be honest?

Again you asking when the last update i gave was i said March or April 2019, so i am not lying,. i said it be released in summer. Now of them quotes say anything about summer time.

I got confused about what timber was asking me. I think he talking about how many times this report ws supposed to come out, and yes he right i did speak about it 2018

From what i remember about this, the 2018 previous quote was based on a Hulsey radio interview he did with free fall radio, and said there planning the get it out by the end of 2018, that fell through, and then i got new update in March 2019 it be out in summer. I not hiding anything. I informed you guys about the new update, i heard.

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 8:13pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Sandy hook conspiracy was promoted by Alex Jones and his fringe fanbase online. Who from the mainstream actually believes Sandy hook was a conspiracy?

9/11 is very different.

Nah, it's the same nonsense, different subject. Alex Jones maintains 911 was an inside job also, in fact, he is credited with being one of the first to start that lunacy

There isn't a single recognised organisation of structural engineers, civil engineers, architects or demolition experts in the entire world who state it was an inside job

There isn't any engineering faculty, in the world, in thousands upon thousands of universities, who formally teach that it was an inside job

And as a basis for re-investigation..

Suspects? none
Whistle-blowers or leaks? none
Former participants wanting to testify? none
Physical evidence of explosives? none
Credible evidence of any plan to do so? none

Nothing, nada, zilch

Exactly the same as Sandy Hook. And just like that event, there is a fringe of hardcore types who utterly refuse to give up on it, and a bunch of scam artists, like Gage, who makes bank off it. Just like Jones made bank off promoting Sandy Hook

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 8:48pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Nah, it's the same nonsense, different subject. Alex Jones maintains 911 was an inside job also, in fact, he is credited with being one of the first to start that lunacy

There isn't a single recognised organisation of structural engineers, civil engineers, architects or demolition experts in the entire world who state it was an inside job

There isn't any engineering faculty, in the world, in thousands upon thousands of universities, who formally teach that it was an inside job

And as a basis for re-investigation..

Suspects? none
Whistle-blowers or leaks? none
Former participants wanting to testify? none
Physical evidence of explosives? none
Credible evidence of any plan to do so? none

Nothing, nada, zilch

Exactly the same as Sandy Hook. And just like that event, there is a fringe of hardcore types who utterly refuse to give up on it, and a bunch of scam artists, like Gage, who makes bank off it. Just like Jones made bank off promoting Sandy Hook

Alex Jones believes everything is a conspiracy, and if he doubted 9/11 was inside job everyone would be shocked. Jason Bermas is actually one of the people credited with raising important issues about 9/11- by way of his documentry film loose change. Alex Jones is waste of time and energy he got exposed when a lawyer questioned him about Sandy hook and hopefully people watched it. Alex Jones- is a nobody he just someone using conspiracies to enrich himself personally, he has zero interest in knowing the real truth.

NIST studies are the only available work about the 9/11 building collapses up till now. It not shocking more engineering groups have not yet sided with the truthers about it. Hulsey new study about WTC7 collapse going to change the narrative, least in my opinion.

US government made sure in 2001 that everyone kept to the same narrative 19 men operating out of remote location in Afghanistan pulled off 9/11. There no state help or anything and this clearly not true as more information is coming available since the attacks happened. You prefer to ignore it, but others will not do so and will keep pushng for new 9/11 investigation. There not wasting their time on forums speaking with guys like you, as there no need to. Letting the federal court system decide is only way to solve this and truthers are doing it now and good for them. If they listening to Skeptics nothing will ever happen.

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 8:59pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Alex Jones believes everything is a conspiracy,

You think 911 is a conspiracy, you're openly a Holocaust denier, you think UFOs are real, you think JFK was an inside job.. need I go on here?

Cheerful Spring2 · 01-08-2019 9:16pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You think 911 is a conspiracy, you're openly a Holocaust denier, you think UFOs are real, you think JFK was an inside job.. need I go on here?

9/11, and JFK yes inside jobs have no doubt about this.

UFO phenomenon- yes i believe its real and some of the craft are non human designs

Holocust- i dont believe its a hoax, i have areas of concern about numbers killed, but overall i have know real issues with the historical mainstram narrative that it happened.

Dohnjoe · 01-08-2019 9:59pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

9/11, and JFK yes inside jobs have no doubt about this.

Indeed, and 911 conspiracy beliefs is an example that psychologists use when referring to people with absurd beliefs. It's enough on it's own. The fact that you believe in aliens and other conspiracies readily indicates to others that the events themselves are not the really issue here

Holocust- i dont believe its a hoax, i have areas of concern about numbers killed, but overall i have know real issues with the historical mainstram narrative that it happened.

Correct, that's a holocaust denier.

Should probably be paying more attention to the below than to quack conspiracy sites and groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

As for AE911 and this fire group. It's in Gage's vested financial interests to keep the conspiracy going, he draws 50k or 60k per year from the subscriptions. That should give you enough of a clue.

jeremyj1968 · 02-08-2019 1:16pm

I'm very surprised, and sadly also very unsurprised, as to why this story has got so little coverage. I just wish they had come forward ten or more years earlier.

The Nal · 02-08-2019 1:20pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I'm very surprised, and sadly also very unsurprised, as to why this story has got so little coverage. I just wish they had come forward ten or more years earlier.

A small panel of administrators for a volunteer fire department have asked for further investigation based on no new evidence.

Why would this be big news?

King Mob · 02-08-2019 2:19pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I'm very surprised, and sadly also very unsurprised, as to why this story has got so little coverage. I just wish they had come forward ten or more years earlier.

Why would it get any coverage?

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 3:58pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Indeed, and 911 conspiracy beliefs is an example that psychologists use when referring to people with absurd beliefs. It's enough on it's own. The fact that you believe in aliens and other conspiracies readily indicates to others that the events themselves are not the really issue here

Correct, that's a holocaust denier.

Should probably be paying more attention to the below than to quack conspiracy sites and groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
https://www.verywellmind.com/an-overview-of-the-dunning-kruger-effect-4160740

As for AE911 and this fire group. It's in Gage's vested financial interests to keep the conspiracy going, he draws 50k or 60k per year from the subscriptions. That should give you enough of a clue.

The Difference between you and I is very apparent .Skeptic brain has already solved world events that have conspiracy overtones and you guys truly do believe you have solved the UFO phenomenon question.Everyone who reports an odd or paranormal experience must be lying or mistaken aabout their experiences. Skeptic believe they are intellectually superior to all the eyewitnesses who believe they saw a UFO.

The links you provided more adequately describe you. I don’t think I more intelligent- I just don’t go looking for ridiculous explantations to debunk a sighting like Rendlesham. You went out of your way to satisfy yourself and posted links, that said the airmen and the deputy of a commander of woodbridge base in the UK actually saw a blinking lighthouse light and the markings they found on the ground are rabbit diggings. Instead of doing this- why don’t you ever consider it, happened just like they said it did?

Skeptics have to be right all the time about the UFO experiences people are having, UFO believers only need to be right one time and this changes human history for everyone

Skeptics will outright disregard the defence establishment eyewitness statements about UFOs defying known air travel physics. You ignore sightings reported by radar operators ‘civilian and military’ -countless airline pilots sightings, military jet fighter pilot sightings, military generals and colonels who serve with different countries militaries confirming these sightings, but its all irrelevant for Skeptics as they have figured it all out and they must be mistaken and never mind them.

You hate AE911- but ignore they have spend cash to do a real study and its at 300,000 thousand dollars spend so far. I not really buying your explantation the organisation sole aim is to bring in money and keep it. 50k ( 300,000 spend) is 6 years yearly take-home pay for Richard Gage and there no certainty he actually currently receiving this kind of money by donations?

You repeat the same reasoning here and disregard all statements made by FBI officials, who are on record saying the 9/11 commission report was not the whole truth about 9/11 and they felt while working and investigating the 9/11 attacks, their superiors had very different agenda and were not focused on allowing them to find out who actually planned, facilitated 9/11. It not absurd belief like you claim. 9/11 is not solved, case is not closed sorry you're wrong.

bunderoon · 02-08-2019 4:05pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Bingo

Playing devil's advocate here: Can the same be said of the official theory?

Dohnjoe · 02-08-2019 4:24pm

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

I'm very surprised, and sadly also very unsurprised, as to why this story has got so little coverage. I just wish they had come forward ten or more years earlier.

What story? who has come forward?

Cheerful Spring2 · 02-08-2019 4:32pm

The Nal wrote: »

A small panel of administrators for a volunteer fire department have asked for further investigation based on no new evidence.

Why would this be big news?

Its a local government fire department. We must not forget here fire supposedly brought down three buildings on 9/11. Never in history did it happen one time, yet on 9/11 three buildings came down and collapsed. and fire was the probable cause, NIST claim.

They fight fires for a living and they don't believe the official explantation. It news when they side with the truthers and disregard the official story.

New York Area Fire Commissioners Make History, Call for New 9/11 Investigation

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