Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

The one thing I will say is the Brexiteer's are really gonna regret forcing a No Deal if they really end up causing one because ultimately while we don't truly want them to leave the moment they do so the gloves come off and they'll truly find themselves finding out how powerless they truly are not to mention any agreement with they EU will likely need the approval of Ireland or be utterly shot down if they cross us expecially if the damage causes us enough hardship.

Noone truly want's this except the Brexiteers but ultimately it's up to the British People to sort out their own country, sadly it seems like everything else in all this Political stupidity and arrogance over there is prevailing in the short term and only a Hard Crushing Reality Check is going to change things, sadly it might end up causing the UK to break up before England finally cops on.

Lackadaisical wrote: »

Wow Sterling's taking a real hammering now €1.00 = 0.9112

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/EURGBP:CUR

For the sake of historical context. IEP = €1.2697, so in old money IEP 1.00 = GBP 1.16 (1.15695064)
Might give you a sense of how much it's slipped over the last few years.

I'll be honest while this could in theory be the start of the real slide to be perfectly honest it's only once the pound starts hitting 95p to the €1 and heads towards parity that we'll know the real effect of Brexit beginning to show that everyone warned them about.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

There's been one national since the referendum. Now that we see that a no deal Brexit is both likely and more calamitous than originally thought, I think that the electorate deserve another chance. If they vote for the Brexit Party or Johnson's Tories then that's it.

I'll be honest the simple truth is the British State as the way it's setup could ultimately be on the path to failure simply because of it's design, English ignorance/arrogance is essentially dragging everyone down though not without a sizable help from the more ignorant DUP. The problem as well is the polarization and an essentially inept Corbyn and a chancer like Boris it's shaping up to be the ultimate Political Perfect Storm: a disaster brought about because the worst kinds of people seized control of the state then promptly sink it by driving it into the rocks so they can profit off the carnage. I ultimately see the UK disintegrating and a UI, Scotish Republic and Rump state of little england being the end result, the only hope is that people like yourself who recognise this danger and are being damaged by the ignorance of others are somehow able to get through this mess alright and that the whole lot of these who were to ultimately cause such an unimigated disaster are hung by their political and legal Bollocks in the afternath, I do believe in karma and what goes around must come around eventually.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

robinph wrote: »

Whilst I completely understand the need to just get on with it and tell the UK to go stuff themselves, please remember that the UK population are people too and most don't want any of this.

Thank you. There are plenty of people here who are appalled by this. Then there are the Irish businesses who depend heavily on trade with the UK (Tony Connelly's Brexit & Ireland being an excellent read for anyone interested) and 3 million EU migrants along with plenty of British expats who didn't vote for Brexit.

The property owners, the Shire Tories, the bankers, middle classes et al will be fine. It's the working class who will pay the price. I think people deserve a chance to appraise the revelations of the last three years and to be asked if they are sure they wish to proceed. If so, on their heads be it.

But they have been given ample warnings, and they refuse to listen. Its all bias, pro-EU anti UK traitors. TM was a sell out coward. People are classed as remoainers.

At any if the 3 votes these people could have stood up, particularly the recent EU elections where only 37% bothered to vote. Given the clear dangers one can only assume that those not bothering to vote just don't care.

Whether that is because they are being lied to or just not bothering is a moot point. Lied to 3 years ago but still haven't copped it?

Infini wrote: »

The one thing I will say is the Brexiteer's are really gonna regret forcing a No Deal if they really end up causing one because ultimately while we don't truly want them to leave the moment they do so the gloves come off and they'll truly find themselves finding out how powerless they truly are not to mention any agreement with they EU will likely need the approval of Ireland or be utterly shot down if they cross us expecially if the damage causes us enough hardship.

Noone truly want's this except the Brexiteers but ultimately it's up to the British People to sort out their own country, sadly it seems like everything else in all this Political stupidity and arrogance over there is prevailing in the short term and only a Hard Crushing Reality Check is going to change things, sadly it might end up causing the UK to break up before England finally cops on.

Only the cynical Brexiteers will regret crashing out, i.e. the ones who are heading up Brexit for political power, although I'm sure they're fairly regretting the whole thing already, but it's a little too late to go back.

As for the ordinary Brexiteer - those who've swallowed every bit of rhetoric - the UK could quite literally spontaneously catch on fire the moment the UK leaves, and those folks would say, "Isn't this wonderful? Think of all the money we'll save on heating!"

Sam Russell wrote: »

This was the SoS for Brexit that did not know how close Dover was to Calais, and admitted that he had not read the 38 page Good Friday Agreement that required the backstop - you know, the backstop that was the sticking point in the Brexit negotiations.

I bet he never read the 585 page Withdrawal Agreement either.

He is just plain thick.

And he's a self proclaimed "details man". He's a lawyer apparently. I wouldn't trust him Todo the conveyancing on my house.

robinph wrote: »

Whilst I completely understand the need to just get on with it and tell the UK to go stuff themselves, please remember that the UK population are people too and most don't want any of this.

While I'm sure there are plenty of people in the U.K tearing their hair out at the moment, as a whole it's hard to have much sympathy for them. They voted for this, and I'm far from sure that even with a second referendum they wouldn't do so again.

VinLieger wrote: »

It is dropping fast the last 2 hours, we very likely will see it drop below its lowest rate in 5 years this week possibly even 10 if it continues like this

Time to buy a car over there before brexit

road_high wrote: »

I predict the European economy will adapt very quickly as will ours along with it. Maximum use of alternative trading arrangements especially intra EU will fairly quickly replace UK based ones I think. As time ticks on the EU “will need them” less and less. That’s my prediction

This is the other dangerous play for the UK, even if brexit was called off so many businesses have developed new relationships and adjusted their supply chains that many would not feel the need to switch back any time soon, a lot of permanent long term damage has been already done and doesn't have a quick fix

VinLieger wrote: »

This is the other dangerous play for the UK, even if brexit was called off so many businesses have developed new relationships and adjusted their supply chains that many would not feel the need to switch back any time soon, a lot of permanent long term damage has been already done and doesn't have a quick fix

Historical inertia is one of the biggest reason our food supply chain is so tied to England- it comes from Colonial times whereby they imported all the raw ingredients from the colonies, processed them into higher values and sold them to the rest of us at considerable profit- this is why they fondly love the empire- it was very profitable and protected English industrial interests.
We need to make more use of the wider European market for trading anyhow so this may be the cajoling we need as an economy

Lemming wrote: »

I am four pages behind, so apologies if this has already been addressed, but I seem to recall from sometime ago that the Australians said that they would wait to see what shape any UK/EU trade arrangements took before considering entering into any notional uture trade deals. A sentiment that I recall generally being echoed by other nations too.

That is very true, the UK has set itself up as a gateway to the EU single market for a lot of companies in other countries as well. So in addition to losing this advantage they will have to negotiate a deal with the EU first before any other serious trade deals will be negotiated.

If they do go for a quickie US deal that allows a lowering of standards from the single market then the deal they will get from the EU will be a basic deal. This would then mean the deal other countries will do with them will be with this in mind, that their access to the EU is just as limited as their own.

Leroy42 wrote: »

But they have been given ample warnings, and they refuse to listen. Its all bias, pro-EU anti UK traitors. TM was a sell out coward. People are classed as remoainers.

At any if the 3 votes these people could have stood up, particularly the recent EU elections where only 37% bothered to vote. Given the clear dangers one can only assume that those not bothering to vote just don't care.

Whether that is because they are being lied to or just not bothering is a moot point. Lied to 3 years ago but still haven't copped it?

I think it is a bit more nuanced than that. What we have seen is that Labour not taking a firm position on remain has meant some of their vote has gone to the Lib Dems but a lot has just not bothered to vote. This would have had an impact and you would assume once it comes to the "serious" elections those will turn out again, either to vote Labour or an alternative if Corbyn is still there.

beggars_bush wrote: »

Time to buy a car over there before brexit

It will be one way traffic with cars rolling off the boats before Oct 31st, if this weakness is sustained.

192 might not be a great year for the motor garages

Johnson turns up to Scotland today and goes directly to Faslane Nuclear Naval base just outside Glasgow for some reason. He then arrives at the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh to some protesters, I don't think he will be doing the rounds with the public

https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/1155847499262976000

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Eoghan Harris has lost the plot. He is sounding like an Irish version of Mark Francois on RTE Radio at the moment.

He has a bit of a habit of rallying against popular opinion, often completely contradicting his own in a very short space of time.