Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

EKRIUQ · 24-07-2019 10:01PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Boris Johnson is doing the political version of gutting a house. Also they’ve shown the inside of 10 Downing Street on sky news and I’d never seen inside before. I expected more honestly.

It's not too bad inside, knock yourself out

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5033577,-0.1276221,2a,75y,32.4h,96.17t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sTJOv9FaKwWsAAAQ0MEmb3A!2e0!3e2!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DTJOv9FaKwWsAAAQ0MEmb3A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D260.79105%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

Professor Moriarty · 24-07-2019 10:01PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

The people of NI or the unionists of NI?
What has he done for the Nationalist community?

Galvanised them.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2019 10:07PM

Haha during Theresa May’s speech today that I’m only watching now on sky the “stop brexit” lad interrupted.

Water John · 24-07-2019 10:09PM

To know what Johnson is really like, look at what he did to Hunt, 'take you're friend's job or go to the backbenches.'

careless sherpa · 24-07-2019 10:12PM

Berserker wrote: »

I'd be happy with that. The man has spent his life working hard to the people of NI. You could do an awful lot worse.

I don't think you could actually pick anyone worse. The man is a sectarian bigot

Water John · 24-07-2019 10:15PM

Beth Rigby analysis is correct, he is going for broke.
It has all the looks of an election team.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-07-2019 10:16PM

This is a very Brexit cabinet. A lot of pressure about to come on us.

Expect rough time ahead.

FrancieBrady · 24-07-2019 10:17PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is a very Brexit cabinet. A lot of pressure about to come on us.

Expect rough time ahead.

They are gonna starve us or threaten us?

Serious question, what 'pressure' can they bring to bear exactly, that hasn't been tried?

Kermit.de.frog · 24-07-2019 10:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They are gonna starve us or threaten us?

Serious question, what 'pressure' can they bring to bear exactly, that hasn't been tried?

Obvious one is ending the CTA which would be a very serious threat. It matters far more to us than to them.

The card has not been played yet but I fully expect something on it if things are not going their way soon.

Leonard Hofstadter · 24-07-2019 10:23PM

Looks like he's going for an election.

Call me Al · 24-07-2019 10:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is a very Brexit cabinet. A lot of pressure about to come on us.

Expect rough time ahead.

I think he is pandering to Tory supporters, and attempting to woo the Brexit Party voters. Call an election once the Tories are perceived as being the most Brexit party of them all and they'll win back their support plus the other brexit supporters. Overall majority without a reliance on the DUP, and he can do what he wants.

BluePlanet · 24-07-2019 10:24PM

Hope Barnier, Tusk, Leo and Coveney keep a recording of all the stuff BJ comes out with behind closed doors.

FrancieBrady · 24-07-2019 10:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Obvious one is ending the CTA which would be a very serious threat. It matters far more to us than to them.

The card has not been played yet but I fully expect something on it if things are not going their way soon.

Actions have consequences, this is not the UK acting in a bilateral way, it would be seen as an act against the EU. What do you think a bullying action like that would do?

54and56 · 24-07-2019 10:27PM

Water John wrote: »

Beth Rigby analysis is correct, he is going for broke.
It has all the looks of an election team.

This is Battle of The Bulge stuff by the Brexiteers. One last attempt to throw the kitchen sink at changing the inevitable outcome.

Can it have a different outcome though?

lawred2 · 24-07-2019 10:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Obvious one is ending the CTA which would be a very serious threat. It matters far more to us than to them.

The card has not been played yet but I fully expect something on it if things are not going their way soon.

Yeah could see that going well for them alright :rolleyes:

First Up · 24-07-2019 10:41PM

They would have fun trying to prevent a CTA in Ireland.

Larbre34 · 24-07-2019 10:41PM

54&56 wrote: »

This is Battle of The Bulge stuff by the Brexiteers. One last attempt to throw the kitchen sink at changing the inevitable outcome.

Can it have a different outcome though?

Nope. Not when they've no cards to play.

VinLieger · 24-07-2019 10:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Actions have consequences, this is not the UK acting in a bilateral way, it would be seen as an act against the EU. What do you think a bullying action like that would do?

Indeed and dont forget the Dems in the US have said they would stand by Ireland too, cant imagine ending the CTA or even threatening to do so would make them to happy.

Its almost like soft power is incredibly important to cultivate amd maintain.....

Water John · 24-07-2019 10:42PM

JRM leader in the House.

Larbre34 · 24-07-2019 10:45PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is a very Brexit cabinet. A lot of pressure about to come on us.

Expect rough time ahead.

The only possible pressure that could come on Ireland would be from Brussels. This mob will wind Brussels up so much that Ireland will probably end up treated even more favourably within the EU as a result.

VinLieger · 24-07-2019 10:45PM

Water John wrote: »

JRM leader in the House.

Bizarre pick tbh, probably the only way to get him into cabinet as he would refuse any role where he could be held to task by the public

It will mean we get to see Mogg V Bercow though

listermint · 24-07-2019 10:46PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Obvious one is ending the CTA which would be a very serious threat. It matters far more to us than to them.

The card has not been played yet but I fully expect something on it if things are not going their way soon.

Knock yourself out . There's nothing I need the CTA for Britian is a busted flush.

Pretending they have more cards up their sleeve is hilarious. Get them out October. Can't wait. In tired of this charade.

Larbre34 · 24-07-2019 10:48PM

The writings on Julian Smith suggest he's a bit remainey with a small 'r'. Pragmatist and known May loyalist. The DUP won't have it all their own way.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2019 10:55PM

You know JRM will love being leader of the house having just looked up the history and duties of the position.

Strazdas · 24-07-2019 10:55PM

Nick Boles not holding back on Twitter :

https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1154093304327356416

The comments underneath are rather making his point for him.....Brexit Party types deliriously happy with Johnson's cabinet

J Mysterio · 24-07-2019 10:56PM

The European parliament has vowed to block Boris Johnson’s plan to ditch the Irish backstop from the Brexitwithdrawal agreement – warning that it is not up for negotiation.

Guy Verhofstadt, chair of the parliament’s Brexit steering group, blasted the new prime minister’s “irresponsible” claims during the Tory leadership contest which he argued had increased the risk of no deal.

After a meeting of the legislature’s steering group, MEPs said in a statement that an orderly exit was “only possible if citizens’ rights, the financial settlement and the backstop, that in all circumstances ensures no hardening of the border on the island of Ireland, safeguards the Good Friday Agreement and protects the integrity of the single market, are guaranteed”.

It noted that any withdrawal agreement would “require the European parliament’s consent”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-verhofstadt-backstop-ireland-deal-mep-a9018701.html

FrancieBrady · 24-07-2019 10:57PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

The writings on Julian Smith suggest he's a bit remainey with a small 'r'. Pragmatist and known May loyalist. The DUP won't have it all their own way.

Reading about him there and he seems an odd choice on a day that purged the cabinet of remainers. He seems as mistake prone as his predecessor too.

J Mysterio · 24-07-2019 10:59PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Reading about him there and he seems an odd choice on a day that purged the cabinet of remainers. He seems as mistake prone as his predecessor too.

They might have felt it best to throw a curveball there to confuse matters and placate us a little, rather than put in another hardcore Brexiteer and antagonize us further.

Bit cynical · 24-07-2019 11:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Obvious one is ending the CTA which would be a very serious threat. It matters far more to us than to them.

The card has not been played yet but I fully expect something on it if things are not going their way soon.

I don't think this is likely to happen. How could ending the CTA or the threat of it work in Johnson's favour? Our politicians and the EU would love it if he did that. Here's why the backstop is needed, they would say.

No, the whole emphasis of Johnson's policy will be to try to show the EU that the backstop is not needed. If he pulled anything like that the EU and the world would go "told you so" and would be justified in insisting upon the need for the backstop.

Therefore the big threat from the UK will not be that that border infrastructure will be introduced or that the CTA will be abolished but rather that those things will not happen (or at least not happen to the extent envisaged).

This would be a much bigger worry politically for Varadkar and Coveney.

Akrasia · 24-07-2019 11:01PM

Johnson playing a dangerous game by picking such a one sided cabinet when his government majority is so slim and his party is already split.

A couple of defectors will win a motion of no confidence for the opposition

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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