Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

splinter65 · 23-07-2019 04:04PM

Igotadose wrote: »

1. Neither appears to be too smart or have any substantial life achievements prior to entering politics
2. Both are obese
3. Both have bad hair
4. Both shoot from the lip, and regularly say bigoted things ('postboxes' for Boris, Trump... just look for a headline anytime in the past 2-3 years).
5. Both represent parties that are minority in the countries, based on the most recent elections

If you think that BJ is “not too smart” then that means you’ve read absolutely nothing about him and you know nothing about him.
Even a cursory glance at his academic career, the scholarships he won, winning prizes for classics at Oxford and nearly getting a first despite hardly having time for any work with his other “activities” disproves your theory.
I’m not a fan of his but I find it cringe making when people judge others based on appearances without making any enquiries.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 04:08PM

splinter65 wrote: »

If you think that BJ is “not too smart” then that means you’ve read absolutely nothing about him and you know nothing about him.
Even a cursory glance at his academic career, the scholarships he won, winning prizes for classics at Oxford and nearly getting a first despite hardly having time for any work with his other “activities” disproves your theory.
I’m not a fan of his but I find it cringe making when people judge others based on appearances without making any enquiries.

He got a 2:1 not a first. According to his biographer on LBC earlier. It was Cameron got the first and it always rankles Boris.

A Dub in Glasgo · 23-07-2019 04:09PM

Enzokk wrote: »

I guess that is why you had the attack dogs out again against Jo Swinson attacking her voting record..

Her voting record is a matter of record and she was caught red handed lying on the Ian Dale show a couple of weeks ago

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 04:15PM

I’d say border in the sea and NI remaining in the SM is top of his agenda now. He’ll find some way to placate the DUP. Only possible way he can deliver this deal and the EU obviously would be more than up for that.
He’ll be able to sell it and spin it as a victory too.

Professor Moriarty · 23-07-2019 04:20PM

Even before he takes office and starts disappointing and irritating the public, a YouGov poll today:

Which of the following best reflects your reaction to Boris Johnson becoming leader?
Dismayed: 37%
Pleased: 18%
Disappointed: 10%
Delighted: 10%
Don’t mind either way: 17%

So only 28% have a positive view of his appointment. Best of luck, Johnson.

Enzokk · 23-07-2019 04:35PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Her voting record is a matter of record and she was caught red handed lying on the Ian Dale show a couple of weeks ago

Sure, a lot of LibDems will have terrible voting records from that time. But let me ask you, is Corbyn a Europhile? Look at his record and tell me that this is the same politician you see everyday?

Strazdas · 23-07-2019 04:47PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Her voting record is a matter of record and she was caught red handed lying on the Ian Dale show a couple of weeks ago

The voting record thing is a total red herring. What was she supposed to do....vote against everything her party was doing? That would soon have marked her down as a maverick and a troublemaker.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 04:56PM

‘One small step for Boris, one giant leap for Scottish independence’

Very good

WomanSkirtFan8 · 23-07-2019 05:09PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

‘One small step for Boris, one giant leap for Scottish independence’

Very good

Indeed. It's also significantly advanced the case for an United Ireland by about a million fold as well.

kuro68k · 23-07-2019 05:10PM

I feel like I need to apologise for my country's behaviour.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 05:13PM

WomanSkirtFan8 wrote: »

Indeed. It's also significantly advanced the case for an United Ireland by about a million fold as well.

You can’t reality mention that on boards without being swarmed by the same three accounts screaming NO at you and insisting the polls are all wrong and it’ll never happen.

But back on topic yeah it does.

Just heard a DUP mouthpiece on LBC saying they’ll support Johnson. Unless he crosses them/ doesn’t do their bidding.

They’re not long for this whip master position they’re in right now.
He’s gonna chuck them under the bus to get his brexit.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 05:27PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You can’t reality mention that on boards without being swarmed by the same three accounts screaming NO at you and insisting the polls are all wrong and it’ll never happen.

But back on topic yeah it does.

Just heard a DUP mouthpiece on LBC saying they’ll support Johnson. Unless he crosses them/ doesn’t do their bidding.

They’re not long for this whip master position they’re in right now.
He’s gonna chuck them under the bus to get his brexit.

Johnson might get Brexit alright, but it will not be a No Deal Brexit. Parliament will ensure that. As for the DUP I think he will just soften the Red Lines somehow. Sure what the F do they really care about NI anyway, and a plague on all your houses.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 05:29PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Johnson might get Brexit alright, but it will not be a No Deal Brexit. Parliament will ensure that. As for the DUP I think he will just soften the Red Lines somehow. Sure what the F do they really care about NI anyway, and a plague on all your houses.

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 05:36PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Exactly, it is a no brainer. I doubt anyone in NI would care apart from the die hards. Hopefully.

I do realise there are numbers involved here in trying to get it through Parliament without the DUP who will no doubt vote against, but I do think there are enough rational people in Parliament who may support the Government from all sides on this.

He could play a blinder yet

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 05:41PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Exactly, it is a no brainer. I doubt anyone in NI would care apart from the die hards. Hopefully.

I do realise there are numbers involved here in trying to get it through Parliament without the DUP who will no doubt vote against, but I do think there are enough rational people in Parliament who may support the Government from all sides on this.

He could play a blinder yet

You have all kinds of machinations and deals being made cross parties to stop no deal.
You’re going to see border in the sea making the backstop irrelevant and unneeded become the thing. Probably sooner than we think.
There’s the way forward.
They’d all row in behind this in large numbers
DUP goose is in n the oven and about to be cooked.

First Up · 23-07-2019 05:42PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

Who will stop supporting the Tory government, even if enough Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and PC back that version of Brexit.

That means an election sooner or later - probably sooner as the other parties won't resist the smell of blood once the Brexit WA is sorted.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 05:42PM

*border in the sea would freak DUP out but it would also possibly dampen any notions or moves to a United ireland. At least in the short term. That might placate them. If that’s even possible.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 05:44PM

First Up wrote: »

Who will stop supporting the Tory government, even if enough Labour, Lib Dems, SNP and PC back that version of Brexit.

That means an election sooner or later - probably sooner as the other parties won't resist the smell of blood once the Brexit WA is sorted.

Think johnson and the Tories would sail through in a post exit election. Especially given the alternatives and no doubt relentless victory chants of we delivered brexit.
Who knows though

splinter65 · 23-07-2019 05:45PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

He got a 2:1 not a first. According to his biographer on LBC earlier. It was Cameron got the first and it always rankles Boris.

True. But it’s totally ridiculous to describe him as anything approaching stupid. It’s such a lazy observation.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 05:51PM

splinter65 wrote: »

True. But it’s totally ridiculous to describe him as anything approaching stupid. It’s such a lazy observation.

He plays the game at being a funny eccentric buffoon. But I bet he is as hard nosed as the rest of them.

My one concern is that he appears to be lazy, talks a mile a minute, no one takes him seriously as a Statesman. But they may be surprised.

I bet his minions will do all the work and he will parrot the results. So be it.

No one will care if things settle down on a mutually agreed basis. He has a chance now to get rid of the stupid red lines and dress it up as a victory. I hope he will do this. May was far too rigid and silly in that regard, and had no escape route.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 05:52PM

splinter65 wrote: »

True. But it’s totally ridiculous to describe him as anything approaching stupid. It’s such a lazy observation.

I don’t think he’s even a bit stupid. It’s all a big character act. Built to allow him say the occasional stupid not too directly racist or controversial thing in order to get away with it

J Mysterio · 23-07-2019 05:53PM

Absolutely damning article in the Irish Times. The Irish Times view on BJ.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-boris-johnson-britain-s-new-nadir-1.3964815?mode=amp

How far can Britain fall? The Brexit debacle has already left the country bitterly divided, its parliament paralysed, its influence diminished and its reputation shattered.

And now, a new nadir: Boris Johnson is set to become prime minister. That means things could still get a lot worse.

Johnson is a profoundly unserious man wildly unsuited to high office. That’s to put it generously. In normal times, his ineptitude – on full display during his time as foreign secretary – would hold his country back. In these times of crisis, his character flaws could prove catastrophic.

Enzokk · 23-07-2019 06:02PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Border in the sea. He’ll make this happen and sell it to all as the way forward. Backstop then is totally unnecessary.
He gets to look like a hero for delivering brexit and they leave with the agreement on the table.
Happily ever after for everyone except the DUP

He needs DUP votes so he cannot go with the sea border. He could get Labour votes to get it through but the DUP would not vote in a vote of confidence and bring the government down, so why would Labour back the deal? If he gets Brexit through the arithmetic stays the same and if he sacrifices the DUP they will lose him crucial votes elsewhere.

He could try and get a general election as soon as he has gotten Brexit through, but the backstop would be in the WA and the Brexit Party will spin that as a loss so they would hurt them at the polls. Basically it is a mess, and his proclamations on the leadership election bid has made it worse for him.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-07-2019 06:13PM

Enzokk wrote: »

He needs DUP votes so he cannot go with the sea border. He could get Labour votes to get it through but the DUP would not vote in a vote of confidence and bring the government down, so why would Labour back the deal? If he gets Brexit through the arithmetic stays the same and if he sacrifices the DUP they will lose him crucial votes elsewhere.

He could try and get a general election as soon as he has gotten Brexit through, but the backstop would be in the WA and the Brexit Party will spin that as a loss so they would hurt them at the polls. Basically it is a mess, and his proclamations on the leadership election bid has made it worse for him.

Listening to various and numerous MPs the last few days they’re all railing against no deal. So if he found a workaround and that being border in the sea he’d have support across all parties by the looks of it. Simply to avoid no deal. He would no longer need the DUP.
It gets rid of the dreaded backstop. And none of them not one have mentioned being worried about the imaginary and balatantly false notion that it’s somehow sacrificing NI.
This I wish paddy power would take bets on cos I’d back it as a certainty

Joe_ Public · 23-07-2019 06:18PM

Labour still wouldn't support an agreement simply based on a change to the backstop, that isn't their issue with the WA as it currently stands. Though you might get enough labour rebels to squeeze it through the hoc, but I suspect if it was all that simple we wouldn't be in the position we're now in.

Strazdas · 23-07-2019 06:21PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Absolutely damning article in the Irish Times. The Irish Times view on BJ.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-boris-johnson-britain-s-new-nadir-1.3964815?mode=amp

Johnson is a profoundly unserious man wildly unsuited to high office.

That's a very fair comment. He's a spoofer and bluffer who doesn't really believe in anything, bar his own reputation and image

Inquitus · 23-07-2019 06:43PM

Well here we go, all aboard the Bojo Express, destination unknown, calamity perhaps unavoidable. Qudos to the man, selling himself out to anything, and everything, that might have given him a sniff of making PM has finally paid off, not a shred of dignity left intact, widely regarded at home and abroad as a buffoon, but there he sits as PM of the once Great Britain.

Spanish Eyes · 23-07-2019 06:49PM

Remember though, that he was elected Leader of the Tory Party by a sliver of the electorate, all died in the wool Tories, and this person is inflicted on the UK by that tiny cohort.

Taking back control is right.

serfboard · 23-07-2019 06:55PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Well here we go, all aboard the Bojo Express, destination unknown

Indeed. I find myself quite intrigued at seeing how he is going to (try to) resolve the Brexit problem he helped to create.

Beechwoodspark · 23-07-2019 06:57PM

Same old same old from Bo Johnson

I suspect he will end up p1ssing off all sides

Firing squad from all angles (metaphor).

Resign while talking scutter

Get plenty of lucrative Board memberships from Tory England and republican America.

Job done for Boris.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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