Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

Frank Bullitt · 22-07-2019 10:31PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Well, you don't "have to". But you should

I have a friend who crossed the boarder into the states and chased by a helicopter and cops, spent a while in a prison for his troubles.

I always recommend going into the hut. Always.

Mr.Nice Guy · 22-07-2019 10:31PM

Normally the victory speech of a new party leader is fairly dull fare and what you'd expect. Johnson's speech - assuming there's not an almighty upset and it's Hunt - will be very interesting in terms of what he says and doesn't say. Will he double down on the bin the backstop rhetoric or will it be more measured?

Itssoeasy · 22-07-2019 10:32PM

I don't see how or why Theresa May could stop boris Johnson becoming prime minister.if she was seen to have done that then regardless of what you might think of Boris Johnson it would reflect badly on her. I also don't think the queen can refuse to ask Boris Johnson to "form a government" because she is a constitutional monarch.

Itssoeasy · 22-07-2019 10:34PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Normally the victory speech of a new party leader is fairly dull fare and what you'd expect. Johnson's speech - assuming there's not an almighty upset and it's Hunt - will be very interesting in terms of what he says and doesn't say. Will he double down on the bin the backstop rhetoric or will it be more measured?

I mean almighty upset is being kind. I mean has there been any hint it's not going to be boris Johnson ?

Tell me how · 22-07-2019 10:37PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I mean almighty upset is being kind. I mean has there been any hint it's not going to be boris Johnson ?

It's been so obvious that its going to be Johnson it is a wonder why Hunt didn't withdraw and give him more time to whip the EU in to shape.

(Maybe their systems wouldn't allow that given there was more than Hunt in the race at the outset.)

Sam Russell · 22-07-2019 10:41PM

Tell me how wrote: »

It's been so obvious that its going to be Johnson it is a wonder why Hunt didn't withdraw and give him more time to whip the EU in to shape.

(Maybe their systems wouldn't allow that given there was more than Hunt in the race at the outset.)

You could ask why BJ des not withdraw as so many Tory MPs are saying they will move away from the Party,particularly if TM tells him that they have approached her to indicate that.

Leroy42 · 22-07-2019 10:46PM

There is nothing stopping the UK leaving next week.

Legally I mean?

Hermy · 22-07-2019 10:50PM

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

How have none of those being anti semetic not been named?

Is the exact nature of the antisemitism known? While there is much mention of it in the news I haven't yet heard anything of the specific nature of it.

LeinsterDub · 22-07-2019 10:50PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

There is nothing stopping the UK leaving next week.

Legally I mean?

There is nothing stopping any country leaving tomorrow if that want.

declanflynn · 22-07-2019 10:52PM

Maybe Johnston is doing what he should be doing b4 negotiating a deal with anyone, setting out from an extreme position then moving a bit while the other side move a bit and a deal is agreed (assuming the deal is renegotiated ) I know that's a big assumption.
He cant be as stupid as he acts and must have good advicers

Tell me how · 22-07-2019 10:58PM

declanflynn wrote: »

Maybe Johnston is doing what he should be doing b4 negotiating a deal with anyone, setting out from an extreme position then moving a bit while the other side move a bit and a deal is agreed (assuming the deal is renegotiated ) I know that's a big assumption.
He cant be as stupid as he acts and must have good advicers

I'd like to hear who advised him to wave a kipper around last week and talk about EU rules when the law he was referring to is a UK government one.

J Mysterio · 22-07-2019 11:05PM

Boris Johnson: Fit To Be Prime Minister? on Channel 4 now

lawred2 · 22-07-2019 11:09PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I'd like to hear who advised him to wave a kipper around last week and talk about EU rules when the law he was referring to is a UK government one.

He knows well that it doesn't matter if he's wrong. The target audience won't check to even verify if he's right.. they'll just readily accept it because that's what they want to believe. Sure lies about the EU is his stock in trade.

declanflynn · 22-07-2019 11:10PM

Can Brexit be achieved quiet easily by throwing arylene and her gang under the bus ?

VinLieger · 22-07-2019 11:13PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I'd like to hear who advised him to wave a kipper around last week and talk about EU rules when the law he was referring to is a UK government one.

Theres a suspicion it was another attempt at engineering google results much like the whole "i make buses" farce.

Kippers in this case is to do with distancing himself from a story about Ukippers apparently, much like the buses thing was an attempt to push the 350 mil bus off the top of results.

Tell me how · 22-07-2019 11:13PM

lawred2 wrote: »

He knows well that it doesn't matter if he's wrong. The target audience won't check to even verify if he's right.. they'll just readily accept it because that's what they want to believe. Sure lies about the EU is his stock in trade.

I think we are at the level now (election for PM effectively who must deliver Brexit) that if you think it is just your base who are paying attention to what they are hearing and seeing, it again is indicative or either poor advice or stupidity or both.

If he went on with that nonsense at a GE it might be a strategic level but here and now, it is embarrassing. Or it should be.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-07-2019 11:14PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

Boris Johnson: Fit To Be Prime Minister? on Channel now

Unlike the BBC's Brexit doc this one will be shown more than once.

On Channel 4 +1 at midnight

And tomorrow night 00:05 on 4seven

Itssoeasy · 22-07-2019 11:14PM

declanflynn wrote: »

Can Brexit be achieved quiet easily by throwing arylene and her gang under the bus ?

Well the DUP are kept Theresa May in power and unless something has changed that I'm not aware of then if the conservatives don't have a confidence and supply agreement then Johnson wouldn't command a majority of the House of Commons then the government could fall.

BobbyBobberson · 22-07-2019 11:25PM

Just switched on, the conservative party conference piece really is something.

ancapailldorcha · 22-07-2019 11:35PM

Posts with insults deleted.

reslfj · 22-07-2019 11:56PM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Leroy42 wrote: »

There is nothing stopping the UK leaving next week.

Legally I mean?

There is nothing stopping any country leaving tomorrow if that want.

No EU member state can leave the EU without a deal before the two years mentioned in A50 has passed or an agreed A50 extension has passed.

Lars

traco · 23-07-2019 12:15AM

In terms of sitting days isn't conference season going to impact also from mid Sept -early Oct? Summer recess starts Thursday I think until early Sept so that doesn't leave a whole lot of debating time or even the opportunity to pass the legislation which I think they need to have in place for themselves even for a hard crash out on Oct 31??

Hunt now going to EU for support on policing shipping in the Hormuz straits as big Donnie gave them the flick. Johnson is going to be squeezed hard from noon tomorrow. I imagine we will see the silly clown grin disappear very quickly in the coming days when reality really starts to hit home.

LeinsterDub · 23-07-2019 12:21AM

declanflynn wrote: »

Can Brexit be achieved quiet easily by throwing arylene and her gang under the bus ?

Only by forming a unity government with Labour which won't happen

ThePanjandrum · 23-07-2019 12:23AM

20silkcut wrote: »

What will they do to pressure Varadkar??

As Leo says himself he is the EU.
The EU is him.

I thought you claimed to be an independent nation. Did no-one tell Leo?

BobbyBobberson · 23-07-2019 12:33AM

Just catching up on last weeks Brexit Panorama programme, really good viewing.

beggars_bush · 23-07-2019 12:33AM

It'll be a few months of talking the UK up, then GE

Capt'n Midnight · 23-07-2019 12:33AM

May has had a huge turnover in cabinet posts

So Boris will have fun setting up a cabinet given the divisions in the party and the remaining talent available.

From the third episode of Yes Minister 1980

But they are the people's representatives, democratically chosen.

MP's aren't chosen by the people, but by their local party.
35 men in grubby raincoats or 35 women in silly hats.

But the government are selected from the best of them.

Bernard, there are only 630 MP's.
If one party has just over 300 it forms a government.
Of that 300, one hundred are too old and too silly, one hundred too young and too callow which leaves just about a hundred MP's to fill one hundred governmental posts.
There's no choice at all.
They've had no selection, no training.

J Mysterio · 23-07-2019 12:44AM

Absolutely fascinating to see an exhausted Rory Stewart contemplating a Johnson government here.

https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1153252750232367105
I'm sure he still has a bright political future, but this is a man who looks weary and worn out by the Brexit madness.

BobbyBobberson · 23-07-2019 12:49AM

BobbyBobberson wrote: »

Just catching up on last weeks Brexit Panorama programme, really good viewing.

My good god, the David David footage is incredible. The lack of self awareness is astonishing.

Peregrinus · 23-07-2019 01:51AM

ThePanjandrum wrote: »

I thought you claimed to be an independent nation. Did no-one tell Leo?

We are an independent nation. Ireland is independent within the EU, as opposed to Northern Ireland which is dependent within the UK. The comparison is instructive.

Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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