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Iran Did Do It..............says Trump

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    #1262
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,733 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    If the US wasn't there there would be no need to protect ships in the area,theses aircraft carriers and gunships only cause tension in the region

    The Kremlin applauds your common sense.


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    #1263
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    How so. Iran were actively looking to capture a US or UK tanker for the past 2 weeks in retalliation for the tanker the UK impounded for smuggling oil.

    Iran is playing tit for tat.

    The US sent a battle group weeks before the tanker incident,and fair play to Iran for detaining a UK tanker or are you another poster who thinks the west can act with impunity against them brown fellas without repercussions?


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    #1264
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    cnocbui wrote: »
    The Kremlin applauds your common sense.

    Heres a book you might want to read...

    https://m.imgur.com/gallery/jNOfk


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    #1265
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    notobtuse wrote: »
    If you believe that I have a bridge in NYC to sell you. If the US wasn’t there Iran would be doing large scale piracy with everyone they had a beef with... like Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The US knows if supply is disrupted prices go up for everybody in the world. And other countries have been totally happy to free ride on that.

    There was no "piracy" before the UK got orders from the US to detain an Iranian tanker, Iran warned them what would happen,no one to blame but themselves


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    #1266
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    There was no "piracy" before the UK got orders from the US to detain an Iranian tanker, Iran warned them what would happen,no one to blame but themselves
    Are you referring to the Iranian oil tanker that was trying to take oil to Syria in violation of EU sanctions? What good are sanctions if nothing happens if they are violated.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1267
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Are you referring to the Iranian oil tanker that was trying to take oil to Syria in violation of EU sanctions?

    Yes the very one,just like the tanker the Iranians detained for breaking maritime rules...


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    #1268
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Yes the very one,just like the tanker the Iranians detained for breaking maritime rules...
    What maritime rules? Walk the plank or else... ?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1269
    overkill602
    Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    The US sent a battle group weeks before the tanker incident,and fair play to Iran for detaining a UK tanker or are you another poster who thinks the west can act with impunity against them brown fellas without repercussions?


    hello "fair play" Iran


    one of the worst human rights

    interfering/expanding its uninvited influence all over the ME

    its leaders lying while causing havoc around the straits
    Trying to get an A bomb to allow further domination of the ME
    no access to internet or freedom of speech


    Bomb the fcuking hell out of them!!


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    #1270
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    notobtuse wrote: »
    What maritime rules? Walk the plank or else... ?

    Seemingly it collided with a fishing boat...those crafty Iranians ;)


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    #1271
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    overkill602 wrote: »
    hello "fair play" Iran


    one of the worst human rights

    interfering/expanding its uninvited influence all over the ME

    its leaders lying while causing havoc around the straits
    Trying to get an A bomb to allow further domination of the ME
    no access to internet or freedom of speech


    Bomb the fcuking hell out of them!!

    Iran was invited into Syria by the legitimate government,was the US? Or France?the UK?? Australia?

    Getting the A bomb will keep these bunch of crooks that masquerade as guardians of democracy in the west(but cause bloodshed everywere)from completly destroying Iran..


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    #1272
    The Late Late Show
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭The Late Late Show


    overkill602 wrote: »
    hello "fair play" Iran


    one of the worst human rights

    interfering/expanding its uninvited influence all over the ME

    its leaders lying while causing havoc around the straits
    Trying to get an A bomb to allow further domination of the ME
    no access to internet or freedom of speech


    Bomb the fcuking hell out of them!!

    And what would that achieve? More instability and terrorism with ISIS and Al Qaeda free to ethnically cleanse Shias and all others who do not bow down before the Wahhabi hegemony. The worst states in the Middle East are the ones supported by John Bolton's evil empire.


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    #1273
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Seemingly it collided with a fishing boat...those crafty Iranians ;)
    So let me get this straight… A massive oil tanker, that takes miles to make a course correction, was accused of hitting a small fishing boat that can turn on a dime? I think we’ve gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1274
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Are you referring to the Iranian oil tanker that was trying to take oil to Syria in violation of EU sanctions? What good are sanctions if nothing happens if they are violated.

    There was no violation of sanctions. The Spanish government confirmed this fact. The UK engaged in an act of piracy, but what's new, they have a long tradition of thieving and piracy, they have been at it since at least the 15th century, a nation built on a foundation of bones, slavery and wealth thieved from others.

    Now that the UK is a dysfunctional washed up old relic that is growing more irrelevant with each year that passes and on the verge of breaking up is is blindly clutching to anything that makes it feel that it is still important.


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    #1275
    The Late Late Show
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭The Late Late Show


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    There was no violation of sanctions. The Spanish government confirmed this fact. The UK engaged in an act of piracy, but what's new, they have a long tradition of thieving and piracy, they have been at it since at least the 15th century, a nation built on a foundation of bones, slavery and wealth thieved from others.

    The British and now the Americans as well have had a disgusting attitude dating back years. They think they have the right to police the world and interfere in countries 1000s of miles away from them. With John Bolton in charge in America and Boris Johnson most likely to be in charge in Britain, expect even more of this Western piracy and terrorism.


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    #1276
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    There was no violation of sanctions. The Spanish government confirmed this fact.

    Don't believe thats actually true at all .


    How come there has been zero legal action from Iran or Spain ! against this supposed non breach of sanctions.
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    #1277
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    The British and now the Americans as well have had a disgusting attitude dating back years. They think they have the right to police the world and interfere in countries 1000s of miles away from them. With John Bolton in charge in America and Boris Johnson most likely to be in charge in Britain, expect even more of this Western piracy and terrorism.

    Like I said previously theres a common denominator in all these conflicts...The US/UK...and still the posters here will clap like seals when they set their sights on their next target


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    #1278
    overkill602
    Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Iran was invited into Syria by the legitimate government,was the US? Or France?the UK?? Australia?

    Getting the A bomb will keep these bunch of crooks that masquerade as guardians of democracy in the west(but cause bloodshed everywere)from completly destroying Iran..


    Fair enough if you think the asaid regime is a legitimate government
    refugees, chemical poisoning, barrel bombings and when the people sought change a civil war ensued that your standard of democracy right there

    Iran is no better, being anti American fits you in with a certain crowd


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    #1279
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    overkill602 wrote: »
    Fair enough if you think the asaid regime is a legitimate government
    refugees, chemical poisoning, barrel bombings and when the people sought change a civil war ensued that your standard of democracy right there

    Iran is no better, being anti American fits you in with a certain crowd

    Assad enjoys majority support and guess what? He's still in power no matter how much the west tried to remove him "Assad must go" was the script they all parroted as if it were lines they were told to rehearse for the media(video since removed from YouTube) chemical poisoning? That's pretty questionable especially with a bad actor like the US and their propaganda unit the white helmets in the background,I'll give it to the Russians they played a blinder on that one and had the tide turned within a year from the wests "moderate rebels...(see headchoppers)"


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    #1280
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Since you mention introspection, you could try doing a bit of it yourself. The current state of affairs all stems from Iran's post revolution bad behaviour. Sponsoring terrorism, Pointlessly provoking and railing against Israel and many other forms and examples of utter bloody belligerence since the revolution. They are responsible for ruining a once fantastic country - Lebanon. They also made worse, an already terrible country - yemen. There is so much blood on Iran's hands you would need several oil tankers to hold it all.

    Inclusive in that relentlessly sh1theadedness was their blatant quest for acquiring nuclear weapons. That of course lead to justifiable sanctions and efforts to curb their ridiculous nuclear aspirations and then the agreement that Trump has reneged on.

    Yes, Trump is a festering sore of a moron - a blight on history - but Iran is now and always has been the culprit. They almost seem to have been begging to be bombed back into the stone age, since the revolution.

    Spare me this poor picked on Iran tripe.

    If you understood the region at all you be aware it was Isreal who invaded Southern Lebanon and bombed cities and towns. Hezbelloh origins are solely defensive to protect the Shia population in Lebanon. Hamas and other groups in Gaza and West bank only exist because of Isreal slaughter of palestians and only defensive measure they have to fight back against the occuptation of their lands. We seem to forget Israel does not allow the palestians to have land they fully control themselves, there still rules in place to restrict travel, and they are essentially in a prison and only can leave if Israel allows them to.

    Syria was a peaceful country and secular before the civil war and prosperous. Under Assad they had religious freedoms. Assad despite what the west claims adopted western idealisms to govern his country. What the west did during the civil war is side with Islamic fundamentalism and movements like Isis and Al Nusra. Majority of the groups were head choppers who believe in raping women and slaughters as many christens as possible. There very few groups who cared about the Syrian people. Iran was forced into action to prevent groups similar to ISIS taking hold in Syria and spreading their idelogy to other places in the region.

    Houtis are from Yemen- Saudis and UAE are invaders trying to impose their will and place a puppet regime in power.

    Iran shias have not attacked Europe or US cities. You find plenty of sunni groups killing cilivians in Paris, New York, Washington and countless other places across the world.

    Iran is not to blame they signed a agreement in good faith with international powers, a deal that took 12 years of talks to make. Trump tore up this deal and and blamed Iran for everything. Iran has every right to react the way they do when international agreements are not worth a damn.


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    #1281
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    smurfjed wrote: »
    @Cheerful Spring2



    You really need to talk to some Venezuelan's and ask their opinion. They thought that Maduro was going to be different to Hugo, but alas he just brought a different set of cronies who needed to rape and pillage the country, ask yourself, why did Russia stick their nose in to this affair, what were they trying to achieve?

    If it was bad as you say. The Venezuluean people and military would have rose up and took the country back. The coup was pitful with very few supporters coming out to help. US falsehoods and lies does not work nowadays, we have social media, twitter, and youtube to verify stuff inside the country. People from this country are making videos and posting them and revealing what really happening inside the country and majority of the poor still support Maduro. The well of in the country tend to support Guido.

    You don't overthrow leaders by coups, you elect them out and Maduro won the election in a fair contest. Guido came along a tried to start a military coup in the country that potentially may have started a civil war. US does not give a **** because it does affect them or their people.


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    #1282
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    If it was bad as you say. The Venezuluean people and military would have rose up and took the country back.

    Why have tens of thousands of protesters taken to the streets Vs a heavily armed corrupt force supposedly under the control of foreign advisors (little green men)

    Anyway back to Iran .

    No mention anywhere except one of two twatters saying the mighty Iranian navy has been deployed and others saying they have orders to attack foreign military vessels (good luck with that ted )
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    #1283
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    If you understood the region at all you be aware it was Isreal who invaded Southern Lebanon and bombed cities and towns. Hezbelloh origins are solely defensive to protect the Shia population in Lebanon. Hamas and other groups in Gaza and West bank only exist because of Isreal slaughter of palestians and only defensive measure they have to fight back against the occuptation of their lands. We seem to forget Israel does not allow the palestians to have land they fully control themselves, there still rules in place to restrict travel, and they are essentially in a prison and only can leave if Israel allows them to.

    Syria was a peaceful country and secular before the civil war and prosperous. Under Assad they had religious freedoms. Assad despite what the west claims adopted western idealisms to govern his country. What the west did during the civil war is side with Islamic fundamentalism and movements like Isis and Al Nusra. Majority of the groups were head choppers who believe in raping women and slaughters as many christens as possible. There very few groups who cared about the Syrian people. Iran was forced into action to prevent groups similar to ISIS taking hold in Syria and spreading their idelogy to other places in the region.

    Houtis are from Yemen- Saudis and UAE are invaders trying to impose their will and place a puppet regime in power.

    Iran shias have not attacked Europe or US cities. You find plenty of sunni groups killing cilivians in Paris, New York, Washington and countless other places across the world.

    Iran is not to blame they signed a agreement in good faith with international powers, a deal that took 12 years of talks to make. Trump tore up this deal and and blamed Iran for everything. Iran has every right to react the way they do when international agreements are not worth a damn.
    The deal Iran made was with Obama, not the US. Obama did it by executive order because he knew he would never get it passed in Congress. Iran took the money Obama gave him and funneled it into terrorist efforts. The deal was followed while Obama was POTUS. What is done by EO can be undone by EO. Iran knew Trump’s intentions from his campaign and they knew it would be voided by Trump... they’re no dummies. They could have gone the negotiation route with Trump when he became president, but chose not to.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1284
    Hedgelayer
    Registered Users Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Hedgelayer


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    If you understood the region at all you be aware it was Isreal who invaded Southern Lebanon and bombed cities and towns. Hezbelloh origins are solely defensive to protect the Shia population in Lebanon. Hamas and other groups in Gaza and West bank only exist because of Isreal slaughter of palestians and only defensive measure they have to fight back against the occuptation of their lands. We seem to forget Israel does not allow the palestians to have land they fully control themselves, there still rules in place to restrict travel, and they are essentially in a prison and only can leave if Israel allows them to.

    Syria was a peaceful country and secular before the civil war and prosperous. Under Assad they had religious freedoms. Assad despite what the west claims adopted western idealisms to govern his country. What the west did during the civil war is side with Islamic fundamentalism and movements like Isis and Al Nusra. Majority of the groups were head choppers who believe in raping women and slaughters as many christens as possible. There very few groups who cared about the Syrian people. Iran was forced into action to prevent groups similar to ISIS taking hold in Syria and spreading their idelogy to other places in the region.

    Houtis are from Yemen- Saudis and UAE are invaders trying to impose their will and place a puppet regime in power.

    Iran shias have not attacked Europe or US cities. You find plenty of sunni groups killing cilivians in Paris, New York, Washington and countless other places across the world.

    Iran is not to blame they signed a agreement in good faith with international powers, a deal that took 12 years of talks to make. Trump tore up this deal and and blamed Iran for everything. Iran has every right to react the way they do when international agreements are not worth a damn.

    You have all your fact's right, I hear you...
    I read a lot of books too.

    And it's not the Shias we should be worried about that's for sure.

    Iran or Persia are not out for world domination or do they want to destroy Israel, there's a lot of miss understood people who abound in ignorance.

    Iran saying death to Israel means death to ideology or fck you Israel, it doesn't mean total anhilation of the population etc...

    You'd want to have done a lot of reading and research to understand the middle East and the differences of Shi'as and Sunni's..

    The Salafists want world domination and us all to be Sunni Muslim s...

    Not the case with the Shia's...

    Some people are really thick.


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    #1285
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Gatling wrote: »
    Why have tens of thousands of protesters taken to the streets Vs a heavily armed corrupt force supposedly under the control of foreign advisors (little green men)

    Anyway back to Iran .

    No mention anywhere except one of two twatters saying the mighty Iranian navy has been deployed and others saying they have orders to attack foreign military vessels (good luck with that ted )

    Intel guys on Twitter track this. They broke the news Stena oil tankers was taken two hours before it even hit official media news cycle. They are the best source for news.

    They have got update satellite images and they have spotted Iran frigates have left the dock and are now out on patrol. This is very rare they leave port. Official media is useless nowadays, twitter and other social media sites is far better.

    I have heard nothing about attack orders, they have only left the docks in Iran.

    Venzeulea part, im lost what you saying there?


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    #1286
    Screw Attack
    Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭Screw Attack


    Gatling wrote: »
    I've never said America is innocent or they haven't made serious ****ing mistakes but there is other countries involved too ,
    But certain posters are only interested in anti US agendas

    I don't support American foreign policies , trump ,Bolton ,I didn't support the invasion of Iraq 2nd time around ,nor do I believe Saudi are a beacon of hope and democracy and decency (they absolutely do not belong in the civilised or on the UN councils)


    But if people on here want to go back to the battle of little big horn (another disaster) to say America did this and America did that.

    I don't know what the Iranians know or believe about possible American reactions to Iranian interference with shipping in the Persian Gulf. Saddam Hussein thought their would be no problem with America regarding his seizure of Kuwait but he was dead wrong.

    Regarding America's allies in a war with Iran, the US has very few, maybe none at all. The UK will probably fight alongside the US and my guess is that Israel would as well. France will without doubt openly oppose any US-Iran war as will most of the NATO countries. Poland and Hungary might send a few soldiers but they won't count for much. The German military is for **** and it doesn't matter either.

    I do agree that Trump has managed to alienate countries that would normally support American initiatives. I'm thinking about Canada and Australia.


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    #1287
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Intel guys on Twitter track this. They broke the news Stena oil tankers was taken two hours before it even hit official media news cycle. They are the best source for news.

    What it was in the news straight away and most of the stuff on social media is made up by newly registered accounts .

    Do you honestly believe some random twatter has access to real time satellite's.

    Didn't russia leak fake pictures from their satellite's showing a fake military aircraft attacking flight MH17 over Ukraine .
    After russian forces shot it down .


    Seems you can trust twatters
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    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    notobtuse wrote: »
    The deal Iran made was with Obama, not the US. Obama did it by executive order because he knew he would never get it passed in Congress. Iran took the money Obama gave him and funneled it into terrorist efforts. The deal was followed while Obama was POTUS. What is done by EO can be undone by EO. Iran knew Trump’s intentions from his campaign and they knew it would be voided by Trump... they’re no dummies. They could have gone the negotiation route with Trump when he became president, but chose not to.

    Obama was President of United states, he signature carried significance and he signed a deal with other countries. Are you actually saying we better off now with the deal gone?

    IAEA said Iran complied with the deal. There actually no reason to scrap a deal that was working. Iran could not enrich uranium with inspectors in the country, it can not happen. Stop believing in US lies.

    Israel wants Iran to end its ballistic program and support for groups outside Iran. There trying to destabilise Iran ability to defend itself. Iran nuclear deal was good enough to stop their nuclear ambittion. Iran if they truly wanted to build the bomb can do it now, they had the know how in the 90s, and only take them a few months to test one. The nuclear deal restricted their access to the materials, if they wanted to they can easily move ahead now with the deal scrapped lets be honest. All they would have to do is kick out IAEA and start producing high grade uranium at 90 per cent and so far they have not done so.

    150 billion was there money frozen by sanctions, they got nothing for free.


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    #1289
    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Gatling wrote: »
    What it was in the news straight away and most of the stuff on social media is made up by newly registered accounts .

    Do you honestly believe some random twatter has access to real time satellite's.

    Didn't russia leak fake pictures from their satellite's showing a fake military aircraft attacking flight MH17 over Ukraine .
    After russian forces shot it down .


    Seems you can trust twatters

    Yes i have seem them and it someone else images so i can't post them. without permission. You have no understanding of how it works, so i leave at that.


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    #1290
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »
    Yes i have seem them and it someone else images so i can't post them. without permission

    Hahaha

    Are they classified ......


    See you post something you read on twatter and repeat it verbatim and ends up being wrong and badly falsefied but you claim it's reliable ...
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    Cheerful Spring2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    Announced today.

    Jeremy_Hunt says European-led maritime protection mission will be established to ensure safe passage of commercial ships in Gulf in wake of Iran tanker seizure

    says "there will be a gradual building up of presence". The arrival of @RoyalNavy's HMS Duncan (Type 45 destroyer) by 29 July is "the first step in this process"


    Hunt says it is with a "heavy heart" he is making this announcement of increased military presence in the Gulf. UK's desire remains for de-escalation of tensions with Iran but "we must react to the world around us as it is and not as we wish it to be"

    "If Iran continues on this dangerous path they must accept the price will be a larger western military presence in the waters along their coastline" as Britain + allies protect freedom of navigation for international shipping


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