Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You literally said the Kriegels are down a social welfare payment because Ana was murdered. I actually have no words

Also, why would I report a post because of my feelings? Thats a snowflakes job. Everyone should have their say, its called a discussion

...in response to your bitter “that’ll teach em” response to someone else’s observation that the parents of the two savages would lose their CB.
You have lots of words Kidchameleon.
You’ve used them to make your displeasure at these guilty verdicts and your sense of an injustice having been done to the families of both boys perfectly clear.
We all hear your pain.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You literally said the Kriegels are down a social welfare payment because Ana was murdered. I actually have no words

You pluck a sentence from the posters post and make it look like they're literally saying "the Kriegels are down a social welfare payment because Ana was murdered" that response was a reply to another poster who mentioned that the killers parents won't be getting children's allowance..... Context is everything.

I'm pretty sure one paper said that they may be separated quoting the Judge, but they may have taken something he said incorrectly.
Most other papers seem to think they will be mixed with the others.
I don't know Oberstown, but I get the impression it's not that big. They may be able to separate them for a week or something like that, but wouldn't think it was possible for any proper length of time.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/teen-killers-of-ana-kriegel-will-spend-next-four-years-at-oberstown-heres-what-they-can-expect-931791.html
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-inside-16538480

Mindset of evil baby-face Scottish schoolboy child killer, 16 yr old Aaron Campbell who was locked up 23hrs in his cell with play-station & TV after his trial but will be encouraged to take educational activities and anger management and sexual control. He will be going to prison when 21.

Aaron Campbell was looking for cannabis when he entered the flat and discovered Alesha MacPhail sleeping in her bed.
“It has now emerged that in the 12 months prior to the murder the teenager thought about "doing something excessive" including rape.
And when he set eyes on the child he saw it as a "moment of opportunity".
Campbell told the psychologist: "At any other time in life, murder wouldn't have been the conclusion. If I was a year younger I don't think I would have done it.
" There were emotional scenes in the public gallery at the High Court in Glasgow as more horror was heaped on Alesha's family.
They heard the schoolgirl was initially "drowsy" but as Campbell carried her out of the flat and along the shoreline she became more awake.
Alesha asked who he was and where they were going.
Campbell told her he was a friend of her father and that he was taking her home.
He even gave the child his top as she was cold.
The details of what happened at the end of their journey were, mercifully, not aired in court.
But as Campbell was sentenced it was disclosed he told the psychologist he was "mildly amused" police took two days to arrest him after Alesha's body was discovered.All I thought about was killing her once I saw her."
The teenager also admitted he had to "zip his mouth" to stop himself laughing during the trial.
Perhaps the most disturbing revelation he volunteered was that he was "quite satisfied with the murder".”
Lord Matthews said that in setting the term of 27 years, necessarily shorter than if Campbell had been an adult, it was clear to him that “reintegration or rehabilitation are remote possibilities”.

Without remorse the terrible evil he did
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47568603

mrjoneill wrote: »

Mindset of evil baby-face Scottish schoolboy child killer, 16 yr old Aaron Campbell who was locked up 23hrs in his cell with play-station & TV after his trial but will be encouraged to take educational activities and anger management and sexual control. He will be going to prison when 21.

Aaron Campbell was looking for cannabis when he entered the flat and discovered Alesha MacPhail sleeping in her bed.
“It has now emerged that in the 12 months prior to the murder the teenager thought about "doing something excessive" including rape.
And when he set eyes on the child he saw it as a "moment of opportunity".
Campbell told the psychologist: "At any other time in life, murder wouldn't have been the conclusion. If I was a year younger I don't think I would have done it.
" There were emotional scenes in the public gallery at the High Court in Glasgow as more horror was heaped on Alesha's family.
They heard the schoolgirl was initially "drowsy" but as Campbell carried her out of the flat and along the shoreline she became more awake.
Alesha asked who he was and where they were going.
Campbell told her he was a friend of her father and that he was taking her home.
He even gave the child his top as she was cold.
The details of what happened at the end of their journey were, mercifully, not aired in court.
But as Campbell was sentenced it was disclosed he told the psychologist he was "mildly amused" police took two days to arrest him after Alesha's body was discovered.All I thought about was killing her once I saw her."
The teenager also admitted he had to "zip his mouth" to stop himself laughing during the trial.
Perhaps the most disturbing revelation he volunteered was that he was "quite satisfied with the murder".”
Lord Matthews said that in setting the term of 27 years, necessarily shorter than if Campbell had been an adult, it was clear to him that “reintegration or rehabilitation are remote possibilities”.

Without remorse the terrible evil he did
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47568603

The 27 years is only the minimum. I doubt if he’ll ever be released. He’s very dangerous clearly.
Maybe when he’s very old but he’ll be totally institutionalized by then and unable to cope so it’s probably going to be his whole life.

Was thinking the same, mrjoneill.

Was reading today that the Judge and legal team were back in court again today, dealing with Facebook and Twitter. The Judge is adamant that no photos or other identification of either boys be shared on social media, or there will be serious consequences. He's set a date of up to November 22 i.e after the sentencing is complete, for this ruling to apply. Can we expect that after that date, there will be no more rulings such as this?

Thinking of Boy B, he had so much opportunity to express remorse, but it never seemed to happen. The closest he seemed to come to remorse was when he said he was sorry he didn't listen to his father when he said he could have done something to get help. Also, the way he tried to make out that Ana was to be avoided, not somebody you'd want to be seen with. Even after what they did, he seemed to justify it.

I've nothing to add re Boy A. He seems to be a complete and utter psychopath of the most dangerous kind, that there is no hope for. He should never be let out in society again.

spurious wrote: »

Ah here, Fine Gael described as lefties???:eek:

Shatter, Fitzgerald and Flanagan have been terrible minsters in regards to justice and law reform, and I'm not even going to get started on Zappone

corpusvile wrote: »

Yeah okay but...Fine Gale as lefties though???:D

SSM, Abortion, extra money for SW recipients, retaining the USC, attempting to introduce water charges; whatever about them being left wing, they're certainly not right wing!

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Was thinking the same, mrjoneill.

Was reading today that the Judge and legal team were back in court again today, dealing with Facebook and Twitter. The Judge is adamant that no photos or other identification of either boys be shared on social media, or there will be serious consequences. He's set a date of up to November 22 i.e after the sentencing is complete, for this ruling to apply. Can we expect that after that date, there will be no more rulings such as this?

Thinking of Boy B, he had so much opportunity to express remorse, but it never seemed to happen. The closest he seemed to come to remorse was when he said he was sorry he didn't listen to his father when he said he could have done something to get help. Also, the way he tried to make out that Ana was to be avoided, not somebody you'd want to be seen with. Even after what they did, he seemed to justify it.

I've nothing to add re Boy A. He seems to be a complete and utter psychopath of the most dangerous kind, that there is no hope for. He should never be let out in society again.

I think they both should be referred to as ‘animal A and B’ rather than ‘Boy’.....or is this being unkind to the animal kingdom......maybe ‘monster’ A and B.....both are beyond ‘reform’........but that won’t stop some ‘expert’ claiming they are safe to release back into society in less than ten years time and they could easily become one of our next door neighbors.

Road-Hog wrote: »

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Was thinking the same, mrjoneill.

Was reading today that the Judge and legal team were back in court again today, dealing with Facebook and Twitter. The Judge is adamant that no photos or other identification of either boys be shared on social media, or there will be serious consequences. He's set a date of up to November 22 i.e after the sentencing is complete, for this ruling to apply. Can we expect that after that date, there will be no more rulings such as this?

Thinking of Boy B, he had so much opportunity to express remorse, but it never seemed to happen. The closest he seemed to come to remorse was when he said he was sorry he didn't listen to his father when he said he could have done something to get help. Also, the way he tried to make out that Ana was to be avoided, not somebody you'd want to be seen with. Even after what they did, he seemed to justify it.

I've nothing to add re Boy A. He seems to be a complete and utter psychopath of the most dangerous kind, that there is no hope for. He should never be let out in society again.

I think they both should be referred to as ‘animal A and B’ rather than ‘Boy’.....or is this being unkind to the animal kingdom......maybe ‘monster’ A and B.....both are beyond ‘reform’........but that won’t stop some ‘expert’ claiming they are safe to release back into society in less than ten years time and they could easily become one of our next door neighbors.

Animals would never carry on the way that A and B would. Maybe refer to them as murderer A and murderer B. Have other suggestions but dont want to risk a ban.

gozunda wrote: »

Eerily there are certain similarities with one of the other inmates there. For everyone else's sake I hope they are kept apart...

https://www.thejournal.ie/teenager-attempted-murder-dun-laoghaire-4747882-Jul2019/

I read this earlier and what really struck make made me very angry us that when the parents sought help for his violent compulsions he wasn't admitted buto the parents were told to keep him under observation for 24hrs and we're essentially left to try and deal with this alone. If someone is deemed to be a serious danger to themselves or others to the degree that they need to be watched 24hrs a day, surely they have reached the criteria for involuntary admission to a secure mental health facility? That young woman is lucky to be alive. This attack could have been prevented if this boy has been admitted and assessed when his parents took him for help. If the professionals knew he was a risk why did it take an attempt on a young woman's life and this boy'so arrest before he was placed somewhere secure and a full assessment carried out? His life is ruined, her life is ruined and his parents 'lives are ruined despite their best efforts to prevent something like this from occurring.

Road-Hog wrote: »

I think they both should be referred to as ‘animal A and B’ rather than ‘Boy’.....or is this being unkind to the animal kingdom......maybe ‘monster’ A and B.....both are beyond ‘reform’........but that won’t stop some ‘expert’ claiming they are safe to release back into society in less than ten years time and they could easily become one of our next door neighbors.

Nicknames like monster a or animal b would only glorify them, attract cult like status. Infantile names like boy a and b are good enough for them.