Changes in the GAA - super thread

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I’m actually shocked at how big the prize is. Beating the rest of the country physically and mentally on the field for a half decade in succession would be massive. But the more I read here the more it becomes clear that total psychological victory is close at hand. The rest of the country are about to throw in the towel, defeated forever on and off the field and looking for politicians or GAA presidents to break Dublin because their finest collections of young men were incapable of doing so.

I only ever dreamed of this turn of events as a young teenager on the Hill in the late nineties. Ultimate victory.

its not exactly a fair competition for nearly every other county though, is it?

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

This made me laugh. It was politicians and GAA presidents who created this situation in the first place. I still don't understand how a Taoiseach, a noted Dublin fan, could be allowed get away with diverting millions of taxpayers money into Dublin GAA, under the dodgy guise of increasing participation.

Ah would you stop the country is full of politicians who get funding for pet projects and local things for political gain. Bertie did what every poxy politician done and does. Look at Ross with his local clubs doing well or Enda they all do it. I’d be surprised if there isn’t an organization within a couple of miles of your house who didn’t get something just because a politician pushed for it for political gain.

blanch152 wrote: »

You see the purpose of the Games Development Funding is to increase juvenile participation, as I have been saying.

Now we have people saying that it is working at juvenile level, because there are kids of all types playing the games. The complaint is that the money is wasted because the kids are not coming through at senior club and senior county level. But the money was never about getting players to come through at senior level.

If the Games Development money results in lots of extra kids playing football, hurling and camogie, but none of them ever play senior for Dublin, it is money very well spent for the exact reasons it was needed.


Edit: In case you didn't know, most of the GDO work is done in schools.

then isn't it a failed model if a large number of children from minority backgrounds do not go on and play for clubs?
I mean, the club is the foundation of the GAA
its actually wasted money

beggars_bush wrote: »

then isn't it a failed model if a large number of children from minority backgrounds do not go on and play for clubs?
I mean, the club is the foundation of the GAA
its actually wasted money

Why? The purpose of the money is to increase juvenile participation in sport and create an interest in and knowledge of the games.

If it works in schools, that is money well spent, it doesn't have to transfer on into senior club and inter-county.

The whole debate over the Dublin funding is now being shown up as a complete waste of time. There is general acceptance that it has increased and improved participation in Dublin schools but the knock-on effects are not being seen in the clubs. That just demonstrates that it was never about the senior team and that the bitterness and jealousy about Dublin financially doping its way to All-Ireland success was just wrong.

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

The player registration rate in Dublin is well below most other counties though, just 15% more than Cork despite a bigger population.
Non national participation is poor as a couple of Dublin posters on here concede.
And attendances at Dublin matches are down.

What is up though is a well trained base of players in Dublin. They have done really well at U21 level in recent years. You can't exactly pin that success on Jim Gavin and as it happened over a number of years, you can't argue its just a golden generation.

In summary, the millions pumped into Dublin has produced U21 and senior county success but not a whole lot more. They are still lagging in participation in many areas and demographics and the stats back this up.

Finally, it was wrong to single out Dublin as requiring more funds to "professionalise" the coaching and setup. Every urban area in Ireland has the same issues as Dublin.

No, what is up is participation in schools, where the GDOs spend most of their time.

On attendances, I have explained to you several times that two of the lowest three attendances in the last 70 years were 1981 and 1982, when Kerry got four-in-a-row and were going for five. All successful teams cause attendances to fall, the same happened hurling when Kilkenny were winning. You just refuse to listen and acknowledge.

Finally, like anything else, you need to prove cause and effect. Saying that the money has led to U21 and senior success does not prove it. There have been a small number of teams that Dublin have harvested a lot of players from, but there are many others who have not done so.

Dessie Farrell's 2014 team was incredible, featuring David Byrne, Robbie McDaid, Eric Lowndes, Johnny Small, Jack McCaffrey, Brian Fenton, Niall Scully, Conor Mullally, Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello, Conor McHugh, and Emmet O Conghaile. By contrast later teams like the 2016 one were only to give Brian Howard and Con O'Callaghan.

Fann Linn wrote: »

More tickets available so for the final.

Must be hard when you can get the luas or local bus to games

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

From talking to the ordinary salt of the earth dub they are not interested in the gaa any more.

Lot of them say it has gone way too far and no interest in Dublin any longer.

Dublin has multiple advantages due to the topics discussed on this thread.

Joe and Josephine Soap have little to no interest any longer.

There will be bigger attendances than in 1981 and 1982 when they hit all-time lows.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

From talking to the ordinary salt of the earth dub they are not interested in the gaa any more.

Lot of them say it has gone way too far and no interest in Dublin any longer.

Dublin has multiple advantages due to the topics discussed on this thread.

Joe and Josephine Soap have little to no interest any longer.

Well, you must have missed me and my mates. All of us are still as interested as ever. I lived through the humiliation of the Kerry four-in-a-row and won't be satisfied until that is confined to history.

Think there are thousands of Dubs who feel the same.

As for the bitterness and jealousy, we don't care,

beggars_bush wrote: »

Must be hard when you can get the luas or local bus to games

AIG pays for taxis to pick us up these days.

blanch152 wrote: »

Meath will beat Dublin in Leinster at least once in the next five years. The likes of Sonny who posts elsewhere on this site have that right. The likes of you who can't see the way that two generations of Dubs have come together at the right time are lost in bitterness.

They wont.
But even if they did, so what? Dublin still go on and rattle off in the region of 8 out of 10 od the next all irelands afterwards. The day they have an off day and lose a game isnt going to change a whole lot in the bigger scheme of things.
For example, celtic sometimes lose a game, they are still looking for 10 in a row afterwards...