Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

Road-Hog · 17-07-2019 11:12PM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

According to the documentary on C&I Channel, Robert Thompson was regarded as being the more intelligent of the two. Apparently he has steered clear of the law and has not been back to prison, as Venables has. The comment that was made was that maybe Thompson possibly was smart enough to be able to evade being caught out in anything by Police.

Did I read somewhere that Thompson is a member of the LGBT 🏳️*🌈 part of society since his release...?

tuxy · 17-07-2019 11:31PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

Did I read somewhere that Thompson is a member of the LGBT 🏳️*🌈 part of society since his release...?

Perhaps, reports say he lives with his partner who is a man and knows about his past.

Tokyo · 17-07-2019 11:49PM

Road-Hog wrote: »

Did I read somewhere that Thompson is a member of the LGBT 🏳️*🌈 part of society since his release...?

Mod: Care to explain the relevance of this in the context of this thread?

Gadgetman496 · 18-07-2019 01:05AM

forumdedum · 18-07-2019 01:10AM

tuxy wrote: »

Robert Thompson was the one the police considered the ring leader in that murder. What's your opinion of him since he left prison?

I have heard nothing about him.

Are they certain he was the ringleader?

I'm not sure why you asked that question. Assuming he did not slip up then there is no need to send him back to prison.

Venables, like Thompson, was warned not to slip up but he did. He should have been put back in for a long time in my opinion. After what was done to that child they were lucky not to have been sentenced for life.

Maybe I'm missing something here

ScottCapper · 18-07-2019 01:18AM

They should be hanged

tuxy · 18-07-2019 01:26AM

forumdedum wrote: »

Venables, like Thompson, was warned not to slip up but he did. He should have been put back in for a long time in my opinion. After what was done to that child they were lucky not to have been sentenced for life.

I believe they did get a life sentence since Thompson is out on life licence. It is still undecided if or when Venables will be released.

Vicarious Function · 18-07-2019 03:42AM

A remark has been made further back in this thread as to the relevance of some stuff being brought up here re the Bulger case. The fact that the perpetrators of that murder were two juveniles, Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, who have gone through the British system serves as an example of how the system here could work, as regards the sentencing of the two boys A and B.

As it happens, the judge in the British case chose to name the two perpetrators at their sentencing. During the court case Thompson and Venables had also been also known as Boy A and Boy B. Since then, varying opinions have been expressed as to the wisdom, or not, of the decision to name the two individuals.

Interesting to surmise as to whether our two will be named at the sentencing. Apparently it is within the Judges power to make that decision. Or is it?

18-07-2019 05:35AM

Vicarious Function wrote: »

Interesting to surmise as to whether our two will be named at the sentencing. Apparently it is within the Judges power to make that decision. Or is it?

They won't be. They're protected by the Children's Act. The killers have been granted immunity ' from identity for life by all accounts, too. It was the topic of discussion on here for quite a while. Some feel that they should be named once they hit 18, others when they're released.

Also worth noting;

"The court has unlimited powers of imprisonment and fine for contempt of court and a person can also be jailed for up to three years if they break the relevant law in the Children Act."

Road-Hog · 18-07-2019 06:43AM

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod: Care to explain the relevance of this in the context of this thread?

None really. Didn’t mean to offend anyone.

Road-Hog · 18-07-2019 06:45AM

forumdedum wrote: »

I have heard nothing about him.

Are they certain he was the ringleader?

I'm not sure why you asked that question. Assuming he did not slip up then there is no need to send him back to prison.

Venables, like Thompson, was warned not to slip up but he did. He should have been put back in for a long time in my opinion. After what was done to that child they were lucky not to have been sentenced for life.

Maybe I'm missing something here

From memory he most certainly was regarded as the ring leader and most ‘evil’ of the two

volchitsa · 18-07-2019 09:07AM

Road-Hog wrote: »

From memory he most certainly was regarded as the ring leader and most ‘evil’ of the two

Yes but I think what we should conclude from that is that hindsight has shown this not to be so, because Thompson has apparently become a fairly normal person whereas Venables has remained obsessed with child sex abuse.

Why Venables was assumed to be the naive middle class boy led astray or even intimidated by the much rougher Thompson isn't clear. Perhaps Venables was manipulating the adults around him, even psychiatrists, but there may also have been certain amount of class prejudice contributing to people projecting that model onto the two boys.

That's why I think it would be a mistake to assume that Boy B's requests for Lego and such are genuine evidence of a childlike nature. They might be, or they might not. Given the crime he took part in, and his systematic lies about what happened, it would be a dangerous assumption.

Kidchameleon · 18-07-2019 10:11AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Ana’s parents are down one child benefit too..

Very very insensitive post there. Do you think they consider themselves "down child benefit"? Do you actually think they ever thought that??? They have lost their child for christ sake, I dont think they are too worried about a few measily euros.

Road-Hog · 18-07-2019 11:24AM

volchitsa wrote: »

Yes but I think what we should conclude from that is that hindsight has shown this not to be so, because Thompson has apparently become a fairly normal person whereas Venables has remained obsessed with child sex abuse.

Why Venables was assumed to be the naive middle class boy led astray or even intimidated by the much rougher Thompson isn't clear. Perhaps Venables was manipulating the adults around him, even psychiatrists, but there may also have been certain amount of class prejudice contributing to people projecting that model onto the two boys.

That's why I think it would be a mistake to assume that Boy B's requests for Lego and such are genuine evidence of a childlike nature. They might be, or they might not. Given the crime he took part in, and his systematic lies about what happened, it would be a dangerous assumption.

I don’t recall veneables being from a ‘middle class’ background. Thought they were both from same area...??

Neyite · 18-07-2019 11:46AM

Road-Hog wrote: »

I don’t recall veneables being from a ‘middle class’ background. Thought they were both from same area...??

I think they were both considered working class but that Thompson came from a more neglectful and chaotic home and was exposed to violent games and pornography etc by older brothers? Venables supposedly came from a normal enough home with nothing subsequently coming to light that was any kind of indicator or marker for the kind of violence and torture that he went on inflict. It's been a couple of decades since I read a book on it. It was written by the Police Psychologist on the case I think.

Suckit · 18-07-2019 12:15PM

After Venables was released and arrested again, he was allowed anonymity as an adult bringing attention to them again, which led to the public falsely identifying Scott Bradley as Robert Thompson. He couldn't go anywhere without being abused, and in the end took his own life.
He left a note citing the abuse as the reason.

splinter65 · 18-07-2019 02:55PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Very very insensitive post there. Do you think they consider themselves "down child benefit"? Do you actually think they ever thought that??? They have lost their child for christ sake, I dont think they are too worried about a few measily euros.

Your accusing me, or anyone else of insensitivity? Now your really taking the proverbial. Not worth a response in fact.
What you should do here is report my post that you find insensitive and let the mods deal with it. More or less all the other posters have you on ignore at this stage.

splinter65 · 18-07-2019 03:04PM

Suckit wrote: »

After Venables was released and arrested again, he was allowed anonymity as an adult which led to the public falsely identifying Scott Bradley as Jon Venables. He couldn't go anywhere without being abused, and in the end took his own life.
He left a note citing the abuse as the reason.

I didn’t know anything about this. How very sad.

ScottCapper · 18-07-2019 05:20PM

Atleast chemically castrate the two of them

sullzz · 18-07-2019 05:24PM

ScottCapper wrote: »

Atleast chemically castrate the two of them

Yes, because that will stop them killing.

tuxy · 18-07-2019 05:26PM

ScottCapper wrote: »

Atleast chemically castrate the two of them

Didn't take you long to downgrade the previous sentence you were calling for. You will probably be campaigning for their release by tomorrow.

ScottCapper · 18-07-2019 05:35PM

tuxy wrote: »

Didn't take you long to downgrade the previous sentence you were calling for. You will probably be campaigning for their release by tomorrow.

Our beautifal country is two soft it will probably never happen as long as these lefties are in power.

ScottCapper · 18-07-2019 05:35PM

sullzz wrote: »

Yes, because that will stop them killing.

It will stop any sexual desires didn’t he rape her?

sullzz · 18-07-2019 05:41PM

ScottCapper wrote: »

It will stop any sexual desires didn’t he rape her?

Did boy B?

ScottCapper · 18-07-2019 05:50PM

sullzz wrote: »

Did boy B?

Nah, give him a deep sentence and hang boy A

ScottCapper · 18-07-2019 05:54PM

An eye for an eye seems fair

sullzz · 18-07-2019 05:59PM

ScottCapper wrote: »

Nah, give him a deep sentence and hang boy A

Death for either of them would be too easy of a way out for them .
They should be made feel the pain Ana's parents will feel for the rest of their lives since their innocent young daughter was viciously taken from them.

ScottCapper · 18-07-2019 06:03PM

sullzz wrote: »

Death for either of them would be too easy of a way out for them .
They should be made feel the pain Ana's parents will feel for the rest of their lives since their innocent young daughter was viciously taken from them.

Agreed

Kidchameleon · 19-07-2019 06:13AM

splinter65 wrote: »

Your accusing me, or anyone else of insensitivity? Now your really taking the proverbial. Not worth a response in fact.
What you should do here is report my post that you find insensitive and let the mods deal with it. More or less all the other posters have you on ignore at this stage.

You literally said the Kriegels are down a social welfare payment because Ana was murdered. I actually have no words

Also, why would I report a post because of my feelings? Thats a snowflakes job. Everyone should have their say, its called a discussion

Collie D · 19-07-2019 06:24AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

You literally said the Kriegels are down a social welfare payment because Ana was murdered. I actually have no words

If only

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