Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

corny · 14-07-2019 09:06PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Not making an excuses as it was a very bad day at the office but I'd the impression the lads were out on their legs?

Chasing shadows for the majority of the contest.

Its not like they played yesterday though. If you're slightly jaded it might tell in the last 10 minutes. Thats forgiveable but it didn't pan out like that. Kerry outworked ye, were more switched on and hungrier to make an impact from the throw in. Thats mindset.

You lads are always loathe to criticise your players and the sense that they give everything for the cause is unquestioned. I think thats a weakness tbh. The players were comfortable playing second fiddle to Kerry and they should be called out.

Squatman · 14-07-2019 09:22PM

irishgeo wrote: »

A draw next weekend would be a perfect result.

That would be the worst result. Best result is kerry win, leaving 2nd place wide open and no head to head result or dcorind difference should we get thru

Fr Tod Umptious · 14-07-2019 09:40PM

Squatman wrote: »

That would be the worst result. Best result is kerry win, leaving 2nd place wide open and no head to head result or dcorind difference should we get thru

Yea, now that they have lost to Kerry (by 10) the last place they want to be in in an equation that includes Kerry.

BENDYBINN · 14-07-2019 09:40PM

Mayo got the kickouts all wrong inthe first half......not the end of the world..better team than kerry in my view..

NabyLadistheman · 14-07-2019 09:46PM

km79 wrote: »

Rubbish

We are competing on kickouts now we have another midfielder out there
Horan in fairness would prob have liked to make the change earlier but he just couldn't

Need to keep chipping away now
Every point matters

Oh ****e

Stephen o Brien is killing us
Paddy durkan badly missed

When the game was in the mixer Clarke couldn’t find his man. Every dog on the street knows if you force Clarke to kick it long Mayo will struggle. It’s hilarious the free pass he gets in comparison to Hennelly. I would hate to see the **** that would be goin down here if it was Hennelly in goals. Everything would be hunky dory once Hennelly was dropped after the Roscommon game, apparently. People seem to forget the league final how Hennelly got us up the pitch time & time again. Clarke even gave a short one that Kerry hit the bar with ala Hemnelly v Roscommon.

I knew as soon as we met a decent decision 1 team they would target Clarke’s kickouts and do serious damage. That came to pass today. The stats for the first half would be interesting.

Fann Linn · 14-07-2019 09:46PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Mayo got the kickouts all wrong inthe first half......not the end of the world..better team than kerry in my view..

They lost by 10??

JustJoe7240 · 14-07-2019 09:48PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

They lost by 10??

Don’t bite!!!

Fann Linn · 14-07-2019 09:49PM

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

Don’t bite!!!

Thanks. Too much sun & wine.

Cartman78 · 14-07-2019 09:50PM

Not long back home (Limerick)....great day out with the young fella but hugely disappointing result and performance.

I think it was a game to far for us tbh....a week off was badly needed....the injuries and miles on the clock combined with the heat meant Mayo were struggling from the first minute.

Hopefully they can regroup quickly and beat Meath

Squatman · 14-07-2019 09:59PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Mayo got the kickouts all wrong inthe first half......not the end of the world..better team than kerry in my view..

Unfortunitely its only points that count and in that matter and all other facets, we were comprehensively beaten.

naughto · 14-07-2019 10:01PM

Every team now is going to do the same as Kerry did today on the kick out how do we change this up is there time( Iam not even thinking of hennelly going in goal)

Audioslaven · 14-07-2019 10:09PM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

When the game was in the mixer Clarke couldn’t find his man. Every dog on the street knows if you force Clarke to kick it long Mayo will struggle. It’s hilarious the free pass he gets in comparison to Hennelly. I would hate to see the **** that would be goin down here if it was Hennelly in goals. Everything would be hunky dory once Hennelly was dropped after the Roscommon game, apparently. People seem to forget the league final how Hennelly got us up the pitch time & time again. Clarke even gave a short one that Kerry hit the bar with ala Hemnelly v Roscommon.

I knew as soon as we met a decent decision 1 team they would target Clarke’s kickouts and do serious damage. That came to pass today. The stats for the first half would be interesting.

You are forgetting about the players making the runs for the goal keeper. We just didn't move for them. We were totally off the pace and this lead to the Clarke's kick outs going wrong. We need to stop this hennelly is better as he is not.

km79 · 14-07-2019 10:13PM

naughto wrote: »

Every team now is going to do the same as Kerry did today on the kick out how do we change this up is there time( Iam not even thinking of hennelly going in goal)

Exactly
A kick out strategy can be developed by the coaching team
Ya can’t coach brain farts out of a keeper
I can’t be arsed typing anymore

The whole team malfunctioned today . Cluxton would not have been able to find a mayo player with a kickout as they were all behind a Kerry man
It was evident from the throw in..........good job Clarke didn’t throw it in an as well.
Ball kept coming back at us as well Cos our kick passing was as bad today as it was good last weekend . Again a combination of port execution and lads being caught behind their men
It was the perfect storm for Kerry
The main problem was the margin of defeat combined with donegal tacking on a big score late on
Indeed we left about 5 points behind us over the last portion of the game starting with the penalty which I felt Cillain would miss
As I felt Clarke would save the one last weekend

Audioslaven · 14-07-2019 10:27PM

km79 wrote: »

Aos is clearly carrying an injury and was basically on his own too for the first half
McLoughlin has either not started or been subbed after 50 minutes of last 3 games. So he clearly isn’t right either
Keegan not right .
Vaughan is not fit . Seamie obviously not .
Durkan out along with Diarmuid and Ruane (and Parsons )

This really is the crux of the issue. We just don't have replacements of the calibre of these guys. If we had Ruane and Doc today, we would be alot better. Not saying we would have won but we are clearly tired/some are carrying slight injuries. AOS was as you said carrying an injury, it was so obvious. He just wasn't able to drive forward like he does. The same for Keegan.

Lisbon67 · 14-07-2019 10:29PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

You are forgetting about the players making the runs for the goal keeper. We just didn't move for them. We were totally off the pace and this lead to the Clarke's kick outs going wrong. We need to stop this hennelly is better as he is not.

That’s not entirely true though is it. It’s his kick outs as well, I remember one specific example where Donal Vaughan got himself into a great position but the ball hung in the air so long that Stephen OBrien has time to make a huge sprint back from the forward line to intercept.

Also hate all this criticism of Hennelly’s shot stopping, he’s every bit the shot stopper Clarke is. Clarke is steadier under a high ball, Hennelly has better kicking. Nothing else in it.

Bunny Colvin · 14-07-2019 10:36PM

Disappointing how that fared out. We looked second best for most of it but still didn't do ourselves any favours. Some of the balls we gave away in the first half were very poor. We needed to hang onto it a bit more and let Kerry chase after us. Their forwards are top class but giving them the ball they way we did was daft. Some player's didn't show up either but I can't criticise the player's too much. Playing in that kind of heat can't have been easy, along with the knocks we've picked up.

Meath is now obviously a must-win game. Let's see how we pick ourselves up and what kind of recovery some of the lads can make.

Bunny Colvin · 14-07-2019 10:41PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

This really is the crux of the issue. We just don't have replacements of the calibre of these guys. If we had Ruane and Doc today, we would be alot better. Not saying we would have won but we are clearly tired/some are carrying slight injuries. AOS was as you said carrying an injury, it was so obvious. He just wasn't able to drive forward like he does. The same for Keegan.

Paddy was a big loss too. His running would have helped us out no end.

irishgeo · 14-07-2019 10:55PM

We only lost 7 of our 15 kickouts. Now how many turnover ball we gave away would be more interesting

Audioslaven · 14-07-2019 11:04PM

Lisbon67 wrote: »

That’s not entirely true though is it. It’s his kick outs as well, I remember one specific example where Donal Vaughan got himself into a great position but the ball hung in the air so long that Stephen OBrien has time to make a huge sprint back from the forward line to intercept.

Also hate all this criticism of Hennelly’s shot stopping, he’s every bit the shot stopper Clarke is. Clarke is steadier under a high ball, Hennelly has better kicking. Nothing else in it.

Hennelly can pin a ball better. I will agree that is better but everything else he is not, so in all aspects of goal keeping Clarke is better imo.

Vaughan is not at the pace required and he actually didn't judge the flight as he did turn slightly when he knew it was going a little over his head.
We can argue over the kick out and players judging the flight of the ball.

Anyway its irrelevant as the team were totally off the pace and allowed Kerry dictate everything in the game.

I can only hope we can regain some strength and composure, have a real go against Meath and get a result, with a draw or win for Kerry vs Donegal.

PARlance · 14-07-2019 11:19PM

km79 wrote: »

Exactly
A kick out strategy can be developed by the coaching team
Ya can’t coach brain farts out of a keeper
I can’t be arsed typing anymore

The whole team malfunctioned today . Cluxton would not have been able to find a mayo player with a kickout as they were all behind a Kerry man
It was evident from the throw in..........good job Clarke didn’t throw it in an as well.
Ball kept coming back at us as well Cos our kick passing was as bad today as it was good last weekend . Again a combination of port execution and lads being caught behind their men
It was the perfect storm for Kerry
The main problem was the margin of defeat combined with donegal tacking on a big score late on
Indeed we left about 5 points behind us over the last portion of the game starting with the penalty which I felt Cillain would miss
As I felt Clarke would save the one last weekend

You can't coach brain farts but you can't coach class either. Bit of respect should be given to Hennelly for his role to date and especially the League win. No need to be so precious, if you don't want to talk about the topic, then you don't have to.

Clarke is an excellent keeper with the exception of his kickouts, which are a major weakness. Nobody should be surprised by, or deny, this.
He's too laboured, predictable and mechanical in his run up... absolutely no disguise in them. Added to that, when he goes long, they're lofted and an invitation for the opposition to run onto.

Clarke would be my number one but I would be doing 3 things:
1. Seeing if there's anything at all to be done to improve his technique (very late in the day for this and probably not much that can be done), but failing that I would be
2. Making sure there's movement ahead for short ones, there was none today. But credit to Kerry, their press was excellent.
3. Making sure long kickouts are sent into space rather than at our man. We're sitting ducks under the long ball, you have to kick it into space so we have a chance to run onto them as well.

Today was no surprise for me. Dublin and Kerry have the players to go full press on us for sustained periods. It was on the cards.

I don't blame Clarke for today at all, Horan has to be looked at. A manager works with the strengths/weaknesses within the squad. Top teams will target Clarke's kick-outs, this should have been worked on from day 1. Instead, we turned up today with no plan and left him looking like a rabbit in headlights.

blanch152 · 14-07-2019 11:29PM

irishgeo wrote: »

We only lost 7 of our 15 kickouts. Now how many turnover ball we gave away would be more interesting

Have Stephen Cluxton or Niall Morgan ever lost 7 out of 15 kickouts?

Grandeeod · 14-07-2019 11:30PM

If Mayo win an AI after losing two games.................wouldn't be a win at all!

PARlance · 14-07-2019 11:33PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Have Stephen Cluxton or Niall Morgan ever lost 7 out of 15 kickouts?

It's extremely rare for Cluxton to be put under any such pressure as it's a very dangerous against Dublin. But we do know that he's not impartial to feeling the pressure when it's applied.

Happyilylost · 14-07-2019 11:40PM

irishgeo wrote:

We only lost 7 of our 15 kickouts. Now how many turnover ball we gave away would be more interesting

If Kerry scored 1-23 that would mean Clarke took at least 24 kickouts not including Kerry wides which I'm sure there was a few of. Don't think that figure is accurate.

NabyLadistheman · 14-07-2019 11:47PM

They said on The Sunday game that Kerry won 9/11 Clarke’s kick-outs up to the 30th minute..so someone’s stats are wrong

PARlance · 14-07-2019 11:51PM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

They said on The Sunday game that Kerry won 9/11 Clarke’s kick-outs up to the 30th minute..so someone’s stats are wrong

There's a really poor taste joke there somewhere.

Audioslaven · 15-07-2019 12:27AM

PARlance wrote: »

You can't coach brain farts but you can't coach class either. Bit of respect should be given to Hennelly for his role to date and especially the League win. No need to be so precious, if you don't want to talk about the topic, then you don't have to.

Clarke is an excellent keeper with the exception of his kickouts, which are a major weakness. Nobody should be surprised by, or deny, this.
He's too laboured, predictable and mechanical in his run up... absolutely no disguise in them. Added to that, when he goes long, they're lofted and an invitation for the opposition to run onto.

Clarke would be my number one but I would be doing 3 things:
1. Seeing if there's anything at all to be done to improve his technique (very late in the day for this and probably not much that can be done), but failing that I would be
2. Making sure there's movement ahead for short ones, there was none today. But credit to Kerry, their press was excellent.
3. Making sure long kickouts are sent into space rather than at our man. We're sitting ducks under the long ball, you have to kick it into space so we have a chance to run onto them as well.

Today was no surprise for me. Dublin and Kerry have the players to go full press on us for sustained periods. It was on the cards.

I don't blame Clarke for today at all, Horan has to be looked at. A manager works with the strengths/weaknesses within the squad. Top teams will target Clarke's kick-outs, this should have been worked on from day 1. Instead, we turned up today with no plan and left him looking like a rabbit in headlights.

In fairness, I don't think there is any disrespect to Hennelly. Hennelly is prone to mistakes that cost us games - the choice of word may be a little OTT but it is true.

Clarke as you said is not to blame for the loss or any loss that I can remember. Collectively as a team, we were poor today and I can't specifically blame any one player as everyone was poor. Its even hard to blame Horan when his senior players don't turn up.

It may be just the end of the road for some of the older players and we are witnessing a gradual decline of the team over the last two years. This may be the year that some may leave the stage but I still think they will come back the next day and give their all. If it is good enough so be it but we do look like a dead man walking after today's game.

km79 · 15-07-2019 12:33AM

PARlance wrote: »

You can't coach brain farts but you can't coach class either. Bit of respect should be given to Hennelly for his role to date and especially the League win. No need to be so precious, if you don't want to talk about the topic, then you don't have to.

Clarke is an excellent keeper with the exception of his kickouts, which are a major weakness. Nobody should be surprised by, or deny, this.
He's too laboured, predictable and mechanical in his run up... absolutely no disguise in them. Added to that, when he goes long, they're lofted and an invitation for the opposition to run onto.

Clarke would be my number one but I would be doing 3 things:
1. Seeing if there's anything at all to be done to improve his technique (very late in the day for this and probably not much that can be done), but failing that I would be
2. Making sure there's movement ahead for short ones, there was none today. But credit to Kerry, their press was excellent.
3. Making sure long kickouts are sent into space rather than at our man. We're sitting ducks under the long ball, you have to kick it into space so we have a chance to run onto them as well.

Today was no surprise for me. Dublin and Kerry have the players to go full press on us for sustained periods. It was on the cards.

I don't blame Clarke for today at all, Horan has to be looked at. A manager works with the strengths/weaknesses within the squad. Top teams will target Clarke's kick-outs, this should have been worked on from day 1. Instead, we turned up today with no plan and left him looking like a rabbit in headlights.

That's a fair analysis of it

MayoAreMagic · 15-07-2019 09:47AM

While clarke kicked out to david moran a bit too much, who is to my mind the best fielder in the game, I dont think he is to blame for all the lost restarts. They were 50-50 balls where we seen vaughan lose out in the air to stephen obrien of all people, while oshea was outfetched a couple of times by guys who shouldnt be outfetching him.
Guys werent making the runs to go short half enough.
We were trying to force passes all day and we deserved to lose.
Saying that, I think the ref didnt help our case at all, and several times penalised us wrongly, which resulted in a score for kerry. He lost it at the first whistle, and I dont get why the instigator of this pushing and shoving at the throw in cant just be booked on the spot. We still lose the game, but Id argue that if it is a solid ref who takes no sh*t like david gough reffing that game we lose it by around 5 points. Not much to crow about now but it could make all the difference later on.

TCDStudent1 · 15-07-2019 10:25AM

Lisbon67 wrote: »

That’s not entirely true though is it. It’s his kick outs as well, I remember one specific example where Donal Vaughan got himself into a great position but the ball hung in the air so long that Stephen OBrien has time to make a huge sprint back from the forward line to intercept.

Also hate all this criticism of Hennelly’s shot stopping, he’s every bit the shot stopper Clarke is. Clarke is steadier under a high ball, Hennelly has better kicking. Nothing else in it.

I think Hennelly is much more prone to making an unforced error while in possession of ball.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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