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Air BnB [and other platforms] to be effectively outlawed in high demand areas

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    #962
    4ensic15
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    Looks like you need things spelled out for you so here goes...
    This is the comment I was replying to. I wasn't referring to a vacant property.

    So there is no relavance to my question about the legal ramifications of leaviung a property vacant.

    What are those legal ramifications?


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    #963
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    So there is no relavance to my question about the legal ramifications of leaviung a property vacant.

    What are those legal ramifications?

    I'm not repeating myself again.
    I'm not referring to leaving properties vacant.
    You're asking about something I never referred to.


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    #964
    4ensic15
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    I'm not repeating myself again.
    I'm not referring to leaving properties vacant.
    You're asking about something I never referred to.

    You referred to legal ramifications. That is what i am asking about. Were you making it up?


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    #965
    Jamsiek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭Jamsiek


    4ensic15 wrote: »
    You referred to legal ramifications. That is what i am asking about. Were you making it up?

    I said there were legal ramifications to tax evasion
    Nothing about leaving your house vacant
    Is this news to you? :rolleyes:


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    #966
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Take it to PM


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    #967
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Jamsiek wrote: »
    This is the comment I was replying to. I wasn't referring to a vacant property.
    It seems 4ensic15 is correct; there is no vacant property tax yet.
    Jamsiek wrote: »
    The market will still be there anyway and the cost of buying to live will become more affordable as a result.
    Actually, no. The powers that be were content to put a cap on how tall apartment buildings could have been built in the past, and too late have gotten rid of the rule. Had they gotten rid of the rule whilst buildings were being built in Dublin city centre, we may not have been in the crisis that we are in now.


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    #968
    hong9651
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭hong9651


    Under the new regulations:
    • ‘Short-term letting’ is defined as the letting of a house or apartment, or part of a house or apartment, for any period not exceeding 14 days.
    • If you share a spare room or rooms in your own home (your ‘Principal Primary Residence’ or ‘PPR’), you can do so all year round but you must notify your local authority annually.
    • If you share your entire PPR while you are away, you can do so for up to 90 days of the year, but you must notify your local authority.
    • If you share your entire PPR for more than 90 days of the year, you must apply for a change of use planning permission from your local authority.
    • If you own a property which is not your PPR, and you use it for short-term letting, you must apply for a change of use planning permission from your local authority.

    Does the new law mean that the landlord is allowed to let the apartment to tenants who will stay 14+ days at a time?


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    #969
    machalla
    Registered Users Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭machalla


    hong9651 wrote: »
    Under the new regulations

    Does the new law mean that the landlord is allowed to let the apartment to tenants who will stay 14+ days at a time?

    Yes, as does not qualify as short term letting under the definition if it's greater than 14 days.


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    #970
    beauf
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    <SNIP>


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    #971
    dontparkhere
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭dontparkhere


    I’m new to Airbnb this year.
    Majority of guests have been American and all bar 1 were from abroad.
    Renting a property to someone located here is just redistributing money (most likely from asset poor to asset rich) whereas with hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

    Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.


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    #972
    CoffeeBean2
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭CoffeeBean2


    I'm going to grab some popcorn, this should be good.


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    #973
    TSQ
    Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭TSQ


    CoffeeBean2 wrote: »
    I'm going to grab some popcorn, this should be good.

    Hahahaha


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    #974
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,716 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    dontparkhere wrote: »
    hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

    Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.

    Ah, I see... Good point well made.


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    #975
    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,716 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    dontparkhere wrote: »
    I’m new to Airbnb this year.
    Majority of guests have been American and all bar 1 were from abroad.
    Renting a property to someone located here is just redistributing money (most likely from asset poor to asset rich) whereas with hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

    Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.

    THe one thing the tourism industry needs is high quality thinkers like yourself running the main point of contact between the country & it's guests... and it seems by your comment that you are personally attracting these new visitors. Well done to you.

    I look forward to recieving my share of the gains you have generated.


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    #976
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    dontparkhere wrote: »
    I’m new to Airbnb this year.
    Majority of guests have been American and all bar 1 were from abroad.
    Renting a property to someone located here is just redistributing money (most likely from asset poor to asset rich) whereas with hosting tourists you are bringing new money into the economy.

    Disclaimer:I haven’t read through much of this thread and this has most likely been said multiple times before.

    If you’re letting a whole property, I assume that you’ve gotten planning permission and are paying tax on your profits as well as business rates. That way we all benefit from your entrepreneurial spirit.


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    #977
    dontparkhere
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭dontparkhere


    Bluefoam wrote: »
    THe one thing the tourism industry needs is high quality thinkers like yourself running the main point of contact between the country & it's guests... and it seems by your comment that you are personally attracting these new visitors. Well done to you.

    I look forward to recieving my share of the gains you have generated.

    Should have read this thread first, a touchy subject I see.

    You must be mistaken, I host Airbnb guests I’m not the entrepreneur who designed the service.

    What do you mean tax? Tourism works in the cash economy?

    I operate within the law, pay my taxes and the rest most likely stays in the local economy. I am not a large chain of hotels that pays minimum wage and sucks whatever profits they can out of the country.

    While I agree with regulation of airbnb, Ireland is expensive and needs to be a competitive place for tourists and Airbnb (and others) offers this.

    Private landlords are becoming fewer with the drive for “professionalism” off the industry.
    Ultimately there will be fewer indivials and larger companies who pay less tax and take profits out of the country, resulting in reduced competition

    I am beginning to ramble, I am not a landlord it is my own home


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    #978
    L1011
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    You are liable for tax on the AirBnB earnings and Revenue will already know how much you have taken in

    The "cash economy" is more correctly known as tax evasion


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    #979
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    L1011 wrote: »
    You are liable for tax on the AirBnB earnings and Revenue will already know how much you have taken in

    The "cash economy" is more correctly known as tax evasion

    I think that one went over your head, the poster was being sarcastic, anyone who Hosts on Airbnb is aware details of income earned goes to Revenue.


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    #980
    L1011
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    I think that one went over your head, the poster was being sarcastic, anyone who Hosts on Airbnb is aware details of income earned goes to Revenue.

    I'll let the poster state if they were being sarcastic rather than assuming.


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    #981
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    L1011 wrote: »
    I'll let the poster state if they were being sarcastic rather than assuming.

    The first line of the next paragraph was the giveaway. Just saying.


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    #982
    L1011
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    The first line of the next paragraph was the giveaway. Just saying.

    Or of lack of knowledge.

    This is pointless and off topic - drop it now.


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    #983
    dontparkhere
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭dontparkhere


    L1011 wrote: »
    You are liable for tax on the AirBnB earnings and Revenue will already know how much you have taken in

    The "cash economy" is more correctly known as tax evasion

    Tongue in cheek comment, just being a bit smart :o


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    #984
    Fan of Netflix
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭Fan of Netflix


    If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.


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    #985
    arctictree
    Registered Users Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭arctictree


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If you’re letting a whole property, I assume that you’ve gotten planning permission and are paying tax on your profits as well as business rates. That way we all benefit from your entrepreneurial spirit.

    You have to pay business rates if you let out a property? First I heard of that.


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    #986
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

    Thankfully it is not up to you, that certainly would be an interesting piece of legislation, reminiscent of communism in Stalinist Russia.


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    #987
    CoffeeBean2
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭CoffeeBean2


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

    Spot on, we should take from those that have, and give to those that haven't.

    Those that formally had should be publicly punished. And those that formally didn't have, but now have due to the redistribution, should also be publicly punished. Punishment all around I say, who's with me?

    And for that one poster who can't spot sarcasm ^^^


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    #988
    Fan of Netflix
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭Fan of Netflix


    CoffeeBean2 wrote: »
    Spot on, we should take from those that have, and give to those that haven't.

    Those that formally had should be publicly punished. And those that formally didn't have, but now have due to the redistribution, should also be publicly punished. Punishment all around I say, who's with me?

    And for that one poster who can't spot sarcasm ^^^
    Your type prefer to take from the poor and give to the rich. It's why we have record homelessness and social decay while the millionaire/billionaire landlords take more and more.
    I could educate you on the global banking system, the failures of Fine Gael and US multinationals stealing the wealth of our people but it is off topic and I will obey moderator instructions.


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    #989
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    If it was up to me AirBnB and other rogue landlords would have their property seized by the state and redistributed to those in need of social housing. FG don't have the balls to do it.

    That's exactly what they're doing with getting a HAP tenant in and finding any excuse not to pay HAP. :pac:


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    #990
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    Your type prefer to take from the poor and give to the rich. It's why we have record homelessness and social decay while the millionaire/billionaire landlords take more and more.
    I could educate you on the global banking system, the failures of Fine Gael and US multinationals stealing the wealth of our people but it is off topic and I will obey moderator instructions.

    You're aware the vast majority of LL's own one property for BTL? Hardly millionaires and billionaires.


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    #991
    [Deleted User]
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    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    Your type prefer to take from the poor and give to the rich. It's why we have record homelessness and social decay while the millionaire/billionaire landlords take more and more.
    I could educate you on the global banking system, the failures of Fine Gael and US multinationals stealing the wealth of our people but it is off topic and I will obey moderator instructions.

    Ha ha, that’s a lot of nonsense for one paragraph.

    Us multinationals stealing the wealth of our people being one of the highlights, considering they are an absolutely crucial part of our economy, provide massive employment and provide a large number of our highly skilled/highly paid jobs.

    I can tell you one thing for sure, there is no one working in multinationals that are homeless.


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