Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

LETHAL LADY · 01-07-2019 10:04PM

deravarra wrote: »

And I'm not all too sure that his animals are receiving the care and attention they need

Why would you think that?

threeball · 01-07-2019 10:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

He is being left alone.

If he had been left alone day one there wouldn't be any objections. The IDA brought this on themselves. They've no right to interfere in people's lives just to progress the interests of private business.

boege · 01-07-2019 10:06PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Cranks like this guy annoy me, I see no romanticism in his eccentricity

As someone who watched his farther pushed into a brain hemorrhage as a result of stress brought on by protracted council CPO on our home, this man is

MY FUGGING HERO

:D:D:D

whisky_galore · 01-07-2019 10:09PM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Why would you think that?

Did you not see the cut of that calf's arse?

Kermit.de.frog · 01-07-2019 10:09PM

threeball wrote: »

If he had been left alone day one there wouldn't be any objections. The IDA brought this on themselves.

Again, he is being left alone.

So you are happy for this guy to potentially lose a lot of jobs for Leixlip because he has a grudge?

That is not how the planning process works.

threeball · 01-07-2019 10:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Again, he is being left alone.

So you are happy for this guy to potentially lose a lot of jobs for Leixlip because he has a grudge?

That is not how the planning process works.

Like I said, if he was left alone day one there wouldn't be an objection. Any grudge he bares is totally understandable. I'd like to see your reaction if they tried to CPO your family home so they could set up a supervalu. You are standing in the way of jobs aren't you.

LETHAL LADY · 01-07-2019 10:16PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Did you not see the cut of that calf's arse?

Can't say I noticed the calf's arse

, but the cynic in me would suspect he may have had a few Dept. of Agriculture inspections during that time.

threeball · 01-07-2019 10:20PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Did you not see the cut of that calf's arse?

Bottle fed calves are very susceptible to scour. Not unusual to see calves like that. He was a bit mean with the milk though

end of the road · 01-07-2019 10:21PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Again, he is being left alone.

So you are happy for this guy to potentially lose a lot of jobs for Leixlip because he has a grudge?

That is not how the planning process works.

he won't be potentially losing any jobs. that will be intel's call.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-07-2019 10:22PM

threeball wrote: »

Like I said, if he was left alone day one there wouldn't be an objection. Any grudge he bares is totally understandable. I'd like to see your reaction if they tried to CPO your family home so they could set up a supervalu. You are standing in the way of jobs aren't you.

Again, he is NOT being CPO'ed.

You are supporting a grudge objection that puts livelihoods at risk.

I don't understand that mentality or how it's supposed to help anyone.

It will be thrown out by the planning board anyway for being absurd.

01-07-2019 10:24PM

So intel approached him directly to buy it and he said no. Then the IDA came along and attempted a CPO that the judges overturned. <snip>

I’m happy he’s objecting to planning applications and making things difficult. They were happy enough to make his life a misery so what goes around comes around.

01-07-2019 10:26PM

I was a bit sad seeing Monica shot though. I just played Monica in our friends themed werewolf game and the wolves killed me too

johndaman66 · 01-07-2019 10:26PM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Can't say I noticed the calf's arse , but the cynic in me would suspect he may have had a few Dept. of Agriculture inspections during that time.

I noticed and that calf was in a pretty poor state. Scour can be bad but that animal was exceptionally bad, it should have got more attention before it got to that point. There was also a pretty bad looking rash around the calf's neck.

ChuckLarry · 01-07-2019 10:33PM

Is it just me or is he the image of randy quaid in that movie kingpin?

threeball · 01-07-2019 10:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Again, he is NOT being CPO'ed.

You are supporting a grudge objection that puts livelihoods at risk.

I don't understand that mentality or how it's supposed to help anyone.

It will be thrown out by the planning board anyway for being absurd.

They tried to CPO him for no good reason. A bit of egg on the face of the IDA would be no harm at all. Stop them pulling this crap with some other poor unfortunate in future.

Sheep breeder · 01-07-2019 10:42PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Must be the last of the old stock, the bachelor farmer living in his own shyte and stacks of old newspapers, unable to change.
Something a bit sad about that.

Every parish in Ireland has this type of fella and just want to live their own way, like any of us and we’re all passing through.

LETHAL LADY · 01-07-2019 10:45PM

johndaman66 wrote: »

I noticed and that calf was in a pretty poor state. Scour can be bad but that animal was exceptionally bad, it should have got more attention before it got to that point. There was also a pretty bad looking rash around the calf's neck.

Fair enough, I'll admit I'm no scour expert. I just didn't think it fair to say the animals shown in the documentary were badly neglected. Did you think it odd when he covered the rabbit alluding to it being poisoned?

Muahahaha · 01-07-2019 10:51PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Of course his objection will not stand up but this is NOT the point.

The point is it gets dragged in to a time consuming sink hole no matter how ridiculous the objection is.

If I write a stupid letter to An Bord Pleanala and pay the fee with ZERO basis for complaint it's the same thing.

Reform is needed to stop serial objectors and to make them liable after a certain treshold.

If objections are a time consuming sinkhole then that is on ABP, focus your ire at them rather than at people exercising their democratic rights.

Seth Brundle · 01-07-2019 11:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Again, he is NOT being CPO'ed.

You are supporting a grudge objection that puts livelihoods at risk.

I don't understand that mentality or how it's supposed to help anyone.

It will be thrown out by the planning board anyway for being absurd.

Exactly whose livelihoods will be put at risk and how will they be put at risk?
You’re just trying to sensationalise his simple objection!

whisky_galore · 02-07-2019 06:19AM

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Fair enough, I'll admit I'm no scour expert. I just didn't think it fair to say the animals shown in the documentary were badly neglected. Did you think it odd when he covered the rabbit alluding to it being poisoned?

Yeah, thought he was in full tinfoil hat mode there, like representatives of Intel or the IDA going around poisoning rabbits was a thing.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-07-2019 06:30AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Exactly whose livelihoods will be put at risk and how will they be put at risk?
You’re just trying to sensationalise his simple objection!

His simple objection is delaying a project that will go to Israel and cost us jobs.

No bull**** planning there.

Apple did it - they bailed out and said "fcuk this" (rightfully) - they went to Denmark. A warning.

Don't be stupid. These companies will pull the plug.

They don't have to be here and if dealing with delinquent planning they won't be here.

Seth Brundle · 02-07-2019 06:34AM

You have not answered my question.
Whose livelihoods will be put at risk and how?

screamer · 02-07-2019 06:40AM

I watched that program about him in RTE. whilst I think he’s cracked not to sell his farm for the right price, it is his farm. Looking at his house and yard, it seems he’s a bit of a hoarder, a simple living man set in his ways, he will never sell his land, I don’t think he’d survive elsewhere. He should not have to sell his farm nor his land if he doesn’t want to. In fact, I think to force him to do so would be against the common good, as where would CPO stop????? The whole cpo thing came across as very underhanded too.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-07-2019 06:42AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You have not answered my question.
Whose livelihoods will be put at risk and how?

If the new Fab is not built the plant will shut completely in the next 5 years.

5,000 jobs gone.

That close enough to your answer?

threeball · 02-07-2019 06:49AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the new Fab is not built the plant will shut completely in the next 5 years.

5,000 jobs gone.

That close enough to your answer?

They could pull plant anyway. Dell Did it. Once it makes economic sense they move. Are we to bend over backwards and remove any obstacles, citizens or otherwise on the whim of a corporation?

You seem to be very quick to run roughshod over people's rights for the sake of a foreign corporation whose only motivation is profit.

Seth Brundle · 02-07-2019 06:54AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the new Fab is not built the plant will shut completely in the next 5 years.

5,000 jobs gone.

That close enough to your answer?

Ok, that wasn't too hard.
Now where did you get that info that the plant will definitely close if they don't get this new fab?

Paul_Mc1988 · 02-07-2019 07:03AM

Seth Brundle wrote:

Ok, that wasn't too hard. Now where did you get that info that the plant will definitely close if they don't get this new fab?

Running towards the end of the 14 nm process. Should have been ramping down already but the other fabs that were to be producing 10nm are having issues. The new fab will be 7nm. The company is under pressure from competition from AMD who are already on 7nm. Any significant delay and that fab will get the plug pulled and bye bye 5000+ jobs.

HopsAndJumps · 02-07-2019 07:09AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Ok, that wasn't too hard.
Now where did you get that info that the plant will definitely close if they don't get this new fab?

If the new fab doesn't go ahead due to delay, thats 1800 planned intel jobs + contractor and support jobs. The current plant will be starting the end of its life cycle in approximately 3 years time. Intel would not likely re-invest in Leixlip if they got stung with the proposed development. So that's the current 5000 jobs + thousands of support jobs gone.

02-07-2019 07:12AM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Ok, that wasn't too hard.
Now where did you get that info that the plant will definitely close if they don't get this new fab?

The chip business is brutal.

Its hugely expensive, invest big or die for these companies with each new process.

Shefwedfan · 02-07-2019 07:12AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

His simple objection is delaying a project that will go to Israel and cost us jobs.

No bull**** planning there.

Apple did it - they bailed out and said "fcuk this" (rightfully) - they went to Denmark. A warning.

Don't be stupid. These companies will pull the plug.

They don't have to be here and if dealing with delinquent planning they won't be here.

Apple left, who cares? If companies had their way Ireland would be one big data centre....

Look at Facebook, big monster of a yoke and f**k all jobs when finished and ruined the countryside

Why is everyone so quick to bend over backwards for these companies who don’t give a care long term about anyone?

Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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