Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

18-06-2019 11:25AM

amadangomor wrote: »

Cop on will you, I work there and I am far from superrich.

Unless you own Intel I don't think sovereign states are competing against each other to give you a lower corporation tax to locate in their respective country.

L1011 · 18-06-2019 11:28AM

JustAThought wrote: »

Someone has to stand up for the rights of future generations to clean water and for the protection of the environment. Fair dues to him for having it addressed.

Something he has limited concern for, if you've seen the pigsty of a "farm" or know of some of the stuff that has been done there over the years.

end of the road wrote: »

objections that are invalid are thrown out.

This is an appeal. Its invalid and will be thrown out; after a lengthy and costly process - not a quick admin decision.

There are serial cranks in Ireland that need to be restricted from access to planning appeals systems. We have Isaac Wunder orders to stop people from abusing the courts; we need the same for ABP.

elperello · 18-06-2019 12:07PM

L1011 wrote: »

Something he has limited concern for, if you've seen the pigsty of a "farm" or know of some of the stuff that has been done there over the years.

This is an appeal. Its invalid and will be thrown out; after a lengthy and costly process - not a quick admin decision.

There are serial cranks in Ireland that need to be restricted from access to planning appeals systems. We have Isaac Wunder orders to stop people from abusing the courts; we need the same for ABP.

What kind of stuff has been done there over the years?

It's only lengthy and costly if substantial planning issues are raised in the appeal.

Thomas Reid does not fall into the serial objector category. Trouble was brought to his door, he did not go looking for it.

Skylinehead · 18-06-2019 01:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unless you own Intel I don't think sovereign states are competing against each other to give you a lower corporation tax to locate in their respective country.

Would you rather we went back to the 1960s?

fly_agaric · 18-06-2019 01:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Unless you own Intel I don't think sovereign states are competing against each other to give you a lower corporation tax to locate in their respective country.

It's a slightly different issue (race to the bottom on tax/countries being played off on that by MNCs vs having efficient administration/processes for planning).
Am not fully versed, but article in Irish Times a poster linked said he was only person appealing and this was appeal no. 7 (were all the other 6 total failures??) he's made to ABP re various expansions/developments at the Intel plant over the years! Is there any point where that just becomes vexatious + a massive waste of time.
The Intel plant is located there now, they were let build it (edit: or were begged to come in and build it!). Semiconductor technology will continue advance and so the plant will require ongoing new developments for new fabrication processes etc. if it is not eventually to be aged out and shut down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/farmer-appeals-intel-planning-permission-for-3-5bn-kildare-facility-1.3928451

marieholmfan · 18-06-2019 02:56PM

He's planning to sell it for houses anyway.

elperello · 18-06-2019 03:03PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

He's planning to sell it for houses anyway.

Any link for that.
I wish him peace wherever he ends up.

Seth Brundle · 18-06-2019 03:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If Intel don't build the new fab then LOTS of people will be out of a job. He'll still get his farmers dole. He'll still pay no property tax on his land worth a fortune. The rest of us have to earn our money and if we are fortunate to have a huge mortgage on a modest house, pay tax on it.

1. Who exactly will be out of a job?
2. What farmers dole?
3. In terms of property tax, there's absolutely nothing to suggest that he does not pay his dues.

Seth Brundle · 18-06-2019 03:06PM

marieholmfan wrote: »

He's planning to sell it for houses anyway.

Where did you hear that?

BOHSBOHS · 26-06-2019 06:07PM

For those interested....... the Lonely Battle of Thomas Reid ...will be on rte1 this coming monday at 9.35pm

blackwhite · 01-07-2019 08:49PM

On RTÉ now

01-07-2019 09:03PM

Program on RTÉ right now about this.

TheValeyard · 01-07-2019 09:05PM

It's an interesting documentary. Nice to see a different perspective on things.

threeball · 01-07-2019 09:13PM

Why should this lad just give up everything in his world just so some multinational can expand and make billions more. They could shut up shop in 5yrs time and all you're left with is empty buildings and acres of land covered in concrete. Everything that man lives for is given no credence whatsoever and is accused of halting "progress".

blackwhite · 01-07-2019 09:18PM

threeball wrote: »

Why should this lad just give up everything in his world just so some multinational can expand and make billions more. They could shut up shop in 5yrs time and all you're left with is empty buildings and acres of land covered in concrete. Everything that man lives for is given no credence whatsoever and is accused of halting "progress".

I don’t think anyone (on here at least) is advocating for his farm being forcibly taken from him. Nobody should be press-ganged into giving up their property to a private business.
CPOs should be reserved for vital public infrastructure projects only.

His most recent planning objection however - to developments which wouldn’t impact on his farm - appears to be borne out of (very understandable) spite towards Intel from their previous battles

Call me Al · 01-07-2019 09:19PM

threeball wrote: »

Why should this lad just give up everything in his world just so some multinational can expand and make billions more. They could shut up shop in 5yrs time and all you're left with is empty buildings and acres of land covered in concrete. Everything that man lives for is given no credence whatsoever and is accused of halting "progress".

He won this case. Quite rightly too.
But that case is over.

Nobody is now asking him for anything this time.
That doesn't mean to say the IDA wouldn't take the lands if they got them. But this new intel project is not dependent on Thomas Reid's property to progress.

01-07-2019 09:23PM

Leave the man alone I say. He’s working his own farm doing no harm to anybody. It might be a mess but it’s his mess and he’s no sitting about watching judge rinder and waiting for his dole.

Mad_maxx · 01-07-2019 09:27PM

Cranks like this guy annoy me, I see no romanticism in his eccentricity

Call me Al · 01-07-2019 09:31PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Leave the man alone I say. He’s working his own farm doing no harm to anybody. It might be a mess but it’s his mess and he’s no sitting about watching judge rinder and waiting for his dole.

The IDA are no longer trying CPO his land. They lost.
Intel are leaving him alone.
Unless there's another case in the works?

NIMAN · 01-07-2019 09:33PM

Irish farmers attachment to land has to be admired.

Some bend when cold hard cash is waved in front of them, others will never let their land go. Ever.

cj maxx · 01-07-2019 09:38PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Irish farmers attachment to land has to be admired.

Some bend when cold hard cash is waved in front of them, others will never let their land go. Ever.

Add zeros to the price and you’d be amazed. If the land is worth 300k give him 3 million. He’s happy , he’s won , intel won’t care

NIMAN · 01-07-2019 09:40PM

cjmc wrote: »

Add zeros to the price and you’d be amazed. If the land is worth 300k give him 3 million. He’s happy , he’s won , intel won’t care

This man said he wouldn't take 10 million.

One of the clips from the PK radio show said that often farmers are only given market value of their land, so they aren't given super sweet deals to get rid of them.

cj maxx · 01-07-2019 09:43PM

NIMAN wrote: »

This man said he wouldn't take 10 million.

One of the clips from the PK radio show said that often farmers are only given market value of their land, so they aren't given super sweet deals to get rid of them.

Oh , ????

threeball · 01-07-2019 09:43PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Cranks like this guy annoy me, I see no romanticism in his eccentricity

So what. Just because you think he's a crank and doesn't conform to how you want to live you think it's ok to steam roll his way of life. How he lives his life is his own business. I'd take a million of him ahead of the scumbag lay abouts free loading off the state and robbing everyone blind. Perhaps your annoyance would be better directed at them.

deravarra · 01-07-2019 09:48PM

Ironic that he's walking around a Tesco store that might not have been built except for developments like that at the Intel site

01-07-2019 09:50PM

deravarra wrote: »

Ironic that he's walking around a Tesco store that might not have been built except for developments like that at the Intel site

Then he would be walking around the local convenience shop but they had to sell up cos Tesco took their customers.

deravarra · 01-07-2019 09:51PM

And I'm not all too sure that his animals are receiving the care and attention they need

deravarra · 01-07-2019 09:52PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Then he would be walking around the local convenience shop but they had to sell up cos Tesco took their customers.

And may not be able to afford the higher prices those convenience shops charge....

whisky_galore · 01-07-2019 09:55PM

Must be the last of the old stock, the bachelor farmer living in his own shyte and stacks of old newspapers, unable to change.
Something a bit sad about that.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-07-2019 09:57PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Leave the man alone I say.

He is being left alone.

Kildare farmer objects to €8bn Intel investment...

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