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Brexit discussion thread IX (Please read OP before posting)

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  • #2042
    Jamiekelly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Kind of surprising you can hear 'conversations' verbatim through the walls in a building like that but you'd imagine the Guardian have vetted their sources thoroughly on a potentially controversial story like this...

    To be fair this is Boris Johnson we are talking about. He's incredibly loud and haphazard with his voice on a good day.


  • #2043
    Harry Palmr
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    The No 10 cat might want to consider moving next door if Boris Johnson moves in.

    Be interesting to see if this story gains legs or is dismissed as black propaganda.


  • #2044
    Enzokk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,988 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    So PM Jeremy Hunt then? Don't know if that is good or bad, guess its just, meh.

    As for more Brexit information, there is this handy tweet on what has been agreed between the EU and UK regarding the NI/Ireland.

    https://twitter.com/hayward_katy/status/1142132022518996992


  • #2045
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    To be fair this is Boris Johnson we are talking about. He's incredibly loud and haphazard with his voice on a good day.

    Majority of the quotes seem to be from Ms Symonds, who you'd imagine is in a pretty pivotal position now if there's any truth to this. If she decided to walk out on him and 'dish the dirt' it could do him serious damage...


  • #2046
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Majority of the quotes seem to be from Ms Symonds, who you'd imagine is in a pretty pivotal position now if there's any truth to this. If she decided to walk out on him and 'dish the dirt' it could do him serious damage...

    ... or even show herself with some damage to her appearance.

    What on earth is going on in the Tory Party?


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  • #2047
    L1011
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    If the recording has what's claimed in it; anyone other than Boris would have to go. He probably won't though.


  • #2048
    devnull
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    L1011 wrote: »
    If the recording has what's claimed in it; anyone other than Boris would have to go. He probably won't though.

    It's very notable that State TV (previously known as the BBC) is not covering this at all, despite the fact pretty much every other news outlet in the UK is and all the press are as well, but I guess it doesn't suit their agenda.

    It shouldn't surprise me because the BBC are clearly agenda driven these days and cannot be relied on to deliver impartial news, but it just shows how far it has fallen and it should be disregarded s a proper news source.

    I would be angry about paying for a TV License in the UK right now, since it seems like it is funding state sponsored news agendas for the purposes of the state rather than delivering impartial news.


  • #2049
    Ben Done
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    L1011 wrote: »
    If the recording has what's claimed in it; anyone other than Boris would have to go. He probably won't though.

    Boris is what people of his own class term a 'cad'.

    In other words, his behaviour towards women is excused, by virtue of him being posh.


    Edit: urban dictionary puts it better:
    A cad is a man who is aware of the codes of conduct which seperate a gentleman from a ruffian, but finds himself unable to quite live up to them. Cads are quite capable of disguising themselves as good chaps for some time, only revealing their true nature in circumstances of particular stress or temptation. Others embrace their caddishness whole-heartedly and delight in behaving in a manner which is, to be quite frank, not cricket.

    They are certainly intelligent, educated, often cultured and frequently very witty, but, alas, are simply unreliable.


  • #2050
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,887 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    devnull wrote: »
    It's very notable that State TV (previously known as the BBC) is not covering this at all, despite the fact pretty much every other news outlet in the UK is and all the press are as well, but I guess it doesn't suit their agenda.

    It shouldn't surprise me because the BBC are clearly agenda driven these days and cannot be relied on to deliver impartial news, but it just shows how far it has fallen and it should be disregarded s a proper news source.

    I would be angry about paying for a TV License in the UK right now, since it seems like it is funding state sponsored news agendas for the purposes of the state rather than delivering impartial news.

    I used to say I'd miss the BBC when the Tories privatised it; they've managed to mostly kill it without even doing that.


  • #2051
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,428 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    L1011 wrote: »
    If the recording has what's claimed in it; anyone other than Boris would have to go. He probably won't though.

    Going by the Trump example in 2016 (even worse audio recordings), Johnson and his millions of supporters will just laugh it off


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  • #2052
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,047 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    devnull wrote: »
    It's very notable that State TV (previously known as the BBC) is not covering this at all, despite the fact pretty much every other news outlet in the UK is and all the press are as well, but I guess it doesn't suit their agenda.

    It shouldn't surprise me because the BBC are clearly agenda driven these days and cannot be relied on to deliver impartial news, but it just shows how far it has fallen and it should be disregarded s a proper news source.

    I would be angry about paying for a TV License in the UK right now, since it seems like it is funding state sponsored news agendas for the purposes of the state rather than delivering impartial news.
    In fairness, it's a no brainer from an editorial perspective. A neighbour called the police over arguing at Boris' apartment When the police got there they were satisfied that there was nothing to report.
    If the BBC reported it then Boris could possibly sue them for repeating unfounded and malicious claims made by a disgruntled neighbour which were designed to scupper his campaign.


  • #2053
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    I just find it fascinating that both sides accuse the BBC of being anti their side and of having an agenda to promote the other :D


  • #2054
    Sam Russell
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    In fairness, it's a no brainer from an editorial perspective. A neighbour called the police over arguing at Boris' apartment When the police got there they were satisfied that there was nothing to report.
    If the BBC reported it then Boris could possibly sue them for repeating unfounded and malicious claims made by a disgruntled neighbour which were designed to scupper his campaign.

    It's a bit more than that though.

    Neighbour calls the police about a woman crying in distress, shouting 'Get out of my apartment' plus a bit more, and obvious domestic going on. Police arrive and verify that nothing untoward is reported by occupants.

    So far so good.

    Neighbour contacts Guardian about it and police deny event occurred. Guardian give details of incident number and details of vehicles attending. Police confirm story.

    So story is - disturbance involving BJ and girlfriend. Police called. Police deny they were called. Police confirm they were called when confronted with details.

    So Police are prepared to lie about serious domestic incident involving senior Tory. That is the story.


  • #2055
    Joe_ Public
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    I dont know if the bbc is biased or not - who watches and takes account of everything to make such a judgement? - but it does seem apparent to me that most of the noise about apparent bias and agendas comes from the leave, far right side. Question Time gets savaged for having a supposed pro-remain bias every week, yet there were 3 brexiteers on the 5-person panel last night and i didn't hear a word said about it.


  • #2056
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭54and56


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    It's a bit more than that though.

    Neighbour calls the police about a woman crying in distress, shouting 'Get out of my apartment' plus a bit more, and obvious domestic going on. Police arrive and verify that nothing untoward is reported by occupants.

    So far so good.

    Neighbour contacts Guardian about it and police deny event occurred. Guardian give details of incident number and details of vehicles attending. Police confirm story.

    So story is - disturbance involving BJ and girlfriend. Police called. Police deny they were called. Police confirm they were called when confronted with details.

    So Police are prepared to lie about serious domestic incident involving senior Tory. That is the story.

    It's more than that actually. Apparently the neighbour recorded the shouting match and banging etc

    Taken from the UK Independent website:-

    The neighbour made a recording of the altercation, on which Mr Johnson can apparently be heard refusing to leave the flat and saying “get off my f***ing laptop”. On the tape, obtained by The Guardian, a woman’s voice can be heard complaining that a sofa had been damaged with red wine and saying: “You just don’t care for anything because you’re spoilt. You have no care for money or anything.”

    Release the tape, release the tape........


  • #2057
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,193 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Just a little sniff of whats to come, love this little bit of snark from the Guardian towards the police denial aswell:
    When contacted by the Guardian on Friday, police initially said they had no record of a domestic incident at the address. But when given the case number and reference number, as well as identification markings of the vehicles that were called out, police issued a statement saying: “At 00:24hrs on Friday, 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour.


  • #2058
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,887 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Ben Done wrote: »
    Boris is what people of his own class term a 'cad'.

    In other words, his behaviour towards women is excused, by virtue of him being posh.


    Edit: urban dictionary puts it better:

    Problem for him is that he may have crossed in to bounder from cad now.


  • #2059
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,839 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    The Guardian show how the media do a job correctly. They have obtained the case no and ref no, before talking to police. They had also listened to the recording.
    BBC make a bad judgement call.


  • #2060
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The BBC have a habit of jumping the wrong way due to editorial uncertainty and general lack of confidence - they are battling the government with regard to it's governance and funding on an ongoing basis. They also royally ****ed up with things like the Cliff Richard/Police swoop live on Breakfast News for which they rightly copped a lot of flak.

    They'll come to this story eventually but right now they are glad Trump nearly started a new gulf war :)


  • #2061
    [Deleted User]
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    devnull wrote: »
    It's very notable that State TV (previously known as the BBC) is not covering this at all, despite the fact pretty much every other news outlet in the UK is and all the press are as well, but I guess it doesn't suit their agenda.

    It shouldn't surprise me because the BBC are clearly agenda driven these days and cannot be relied on to deliver impartial news, but it just shows how far it has fallen and it should be disregarded s a proper news source.

    I would be angry about paying for a TV License in the UK right now, since it seems like it is funding state sponsored news agendas for the purposes of the state rather than delivering impartial news.


    They did report it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48721211
    The Guardian has reported police were called to the London home of Boris Johnson and his partner on Friday after a neighbour heard a loud argument.
    The paper said Carrie Symonds could be heard telling Mr Johnson to "get off me" and "get out of my flat".
    The Metropolitan Police told the BBC it "spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well".
    In a statement, it said "there was no cause for police action". A spokesman for Mr Johnson said: "No comment".
    The Guardian reported that a neighbour had told the newspaper they heard a woman screaming followed by "slamming and banging"


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  • #2062
    Harry Palmr
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    Oh here we are - Newsnight talking about this with David Grossman.


  • #2063
    Headshot
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Oh here we are - Newsnight talking about this with David Grossman.

    Anything interesting from it?


  • #2064
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,428 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Oh here we are - Newsnight talking about this with David Grossman.

    Not a surprise. Imagine if two years ago, the cops had been called to Varadkar or Coveney's house when they were running for FG leader. That definitely would have made big headlines.


  • #2065
    54and56
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,861 ✭✭✭54and56


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Oh here we are - Newsnight talking about this with David Grossman.

    They gave it a very light touch and skipped on to discussing the issues to be discussed at the hustings tomorrow.

    BBC tiptoeing very carefully around this.


  • #2066
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The fact the police are not taking action means that there's only a certain distance this can travel, it'll need a second angle and preferably from a different source (ie not a neighbour in the lefty Graun) for this to "haunt" Johnson.


  • #2067
    10000maniacs
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    Police were called to Boris Johnson's apartment after aa blazing row with his girlfriend last night. Getting more statesmanlike by the day is Boris. We must have all posted at the same time. LOL Somebody mentioned it earlier in the thread..


  • #2068
    Headshot
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    Wonder when we'll hear the recording?


  • #2069
    Spanish Eyes
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    I think Johnson is trying to get out of the PM job now.

    In fairness whether what happened in the flat is true or not, he is a cad and a bounder imo and won't get away with that when PM.

    Betting he will exit stage left and leave it to his opponent. His ego has been massaged enough by now and he doesn't care anymore.

    But if he does go for PM he will not last long anyway. Thinks he is clever. Maybe he is and has a few ideas up his sleeve. But he will have to behave and be a statesman.


  • #2070
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,839 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    AFAIK it's M/s Symonnd's flat and Boris is the lodger. That is why she's telling him to get out of her flat.
    BBC really trying to minimise it, one Times journo on trying to make it a story about the neighbour. Yeah, let's blame Watergate on Deep Throat.

    Susan Boniface on Sky paper review is right, to kill the story Johnson has to have Symonnd's with him tomorrow in Birmingham, Hunt will now definitely have his wife with him.


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  • #2071
    LeinsterDub
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    Adam Fleming was unbelievable on brexitcast this week. Making out it was outrageous that the EU's climate change policy was vetoed by 3 countries. I mean you can't have it both ways. You can't have a highly effective and efficient EU that simultaneously respects the will of each country


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