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Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,835 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-mark-field-under-fire-after-grabbing-protester-by-neck-11745967

    Should they be charging him with assault or not, should he be made to resign, given the shooting of MP Jo Cox, the "joke" of throwing acid and other things I think not, peaceful protest doesn't mean rushing up to a top table of "dignatories"

    Who else would be to blame?

    Society?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Right to protest at a private event? Do you agree with protests at politicians homes also?


    The right to protest peacefully needs to be protected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    The right to protest peacefully needs to be protected.


    As does the right to a peaceful private event.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    As does the right to a peaceful private event.

    I agree its a balance.


    But the thing is it WAS peaceful until he did what he did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    She doesn't need to be armed to be a threat. She could easily have walked up to one of the women and gave them a punch in the face or something.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    But the thing is it WAS peaceful until he did what he did.


    Still a private event which she had no right to be at and he was not privy to her intentions. He responded to a threat next time she might get a far more forceful response.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    She doesn't need to be armed to be a threat. She could easily have walked up to one of the women and gave them a punch in the face or something.

    FFS.
    So could every person at every time, including those sitting there at the event.

    Whats your point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    She doesn't need to be armed to be a threat. She could easily have walked up to one of the women and gave them a punch in the face or something.
    :pac:

    Punch the women to save the women?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Still a private event which she had no right to be at and he was not privy to her intentions. He responded to a threat next time she might get a far more forceful response.


    Why didn't the police ask her for ID then? Or stop her?

    They could have.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Why didn't the police ask her for ID then? Or stop her?


    Irrelevant question.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was killed by a woman offering him flowers.

    And a bomb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    I think his reaction in the moment was an overreaction. And once he had started he probably felt he had to see it through. In hindsight I think he will see he was too rough. But there is no need for a huge drama over it either. A mea culpa apology from him to her and move on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Irrelevant question.


    It's not. She went through security and a metal detector.

    She must have had a ticket or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi was killed by a woman offering him flowers.

    And a bomb.
    A metal detector would have detected that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    FFS.
    So could every person at every time, including those sitting there at the event.

    Whats your point?

    What a stupid fucking question. She marched out of nowhere and no one had any idea what her intention was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    if i were big, tough and committed enough to stage such a protest i wouldn't cry about it if i got a judo chop to the wind pipe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I think his reaction in the moment was an overreaction. And once he had started he probably felt he had to see it through. In hindsight I think he will see he was too rough. But there is no need for a huge drama over it either. A mea culpa apology from him to her and move on.

    I think you’ve probably nailed it..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What a stupid fucking question. She marched out of nowhere and no one had any idea what her intention was.

    Wrong. Again.
    The group of protestors had already been speaking outside the hall for several minutes.

    She wasn't even the first to enter the room. What point were you trying to make or was it just more whataboutery?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭Allinall


    She got what she wanted- attention, and what she deserved- a bit of a roughing up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    It's not. She went through security and a metal detector.
    It is the MP was not aware of her intentions, to him she was a threat and he responded, justified in my opinion.
    She must have had a ticket or something.

    Bull.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Allinall wrote: »
    She got what she wanted- attention, and what she deserved- a bit of a roughing up.
    Protesters use to stand in front of tanks, set themselves on fire and smear the walls with feces. Now its front page news if one gets "manhandled".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭vetinari


    It must be terrifying for some the posters here to leave their house.
    Threats everywhere! Who knows if the guy sitting next to you on the bus might punch you?
    I don't think there's enough of a history of peaceful protesters actually being terrorists in Britain to justify viewing them as a threat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    Wrong. Again.
    The group of protestors had already been speaking outside the hall for several minutes.

    She wasn't even the first to enter the room. What point were you trying to make or was it just more whataboutery?

    What's your point?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    On RTE news now. Bunch of gob****es. Peaceful protest, lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What's your point?

    That you are talking nonsense suggesting that she could have attacked anyone and therefore deserved to be manhandled as she was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    That you are talking nonsense suggesting that she could have attacked anyone and therefore deserved to be manhandled as she was.

    What's your point?


  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Once again both sides are going completely over the top:

    "Oh you guys must be so scared of women"

    "She could have had a gun"

    What happened was a silly bint was somewhere she was not supposed to be and was going to make a scene.

    There were high profile people there and the woman was making her way there.

    An MP saw this, took her by the scruff of her neck and walked her out.

    Jobs a good un. No harm done.

    She was an idiot, he was a little bit too aggressive, go about your day.

    ****ing lunacy of him having to apologise. What a funny world this has become


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    What a stupid fucking question. She marched out of nowhere and no one had any idea what her intention was.
    No there was a group all with the greenpeace sash. She wore it too. They did know in fairness. The police would not have let her in otherwise.

    I think you have to apply to be able to protest there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    vetinari wrote: »
    It must be terrifying for some the posters here to leave their house.
    Threats everywhere! Who knows if the guy sitting next to you on the bus might punch you?
    I don't think there's enough of a history of peaceful protesters actually being terrorists in Britain to justify viewing them as a threat.

    lol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,192 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What's your point?

    Well, this is about the level of maturity in the discussion I expected.


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