Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

Irish Guitarist · 21-06-2019 04:42PM

Well handled. Not quite as cool as how Keith Richards deals with unwanted guests but decent effort.

martingriff · 21-06-2019 04:43PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am answering honestly.

I would be less outraged if he tackled a man. I think that is natural if people are honest.

Yes if a woman tackled I would be outraged.

If it was not a politician i would be less outraged.

But he tackled a woman he is a man and a politician. So well here we are.

Okay

quokula · 21-06-2019 04:43PM

AlphabetCards wrote: »

Now we have it. This is nothing to do with the moment itself, it's because "THOSE POSH TORY TWATS" have something else to be beaten with.

How's the campaign to get Justin Trudeau out of office going?

Do you really seriously think accidentally hitting someone with your elbow as you push through a crowd (albeit angrily and impatiently) is in any way the same as grabbing a defenceless woman by the throat, pushing them against a wall, and dragging them across the room?

Tell me how · 21-06-2019 04:44PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I do not take abuse EVER.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You like those posh tory twats?

Either you don't understand hypocrisy, or you can give it but can't take it?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-06-2019 04:48PM

Looks like a storm in a teacup to me. An alternate headline could be.

Tory mp assists security in expelling protestor.

Obviously its a regrettable incident that shouldn't have happened.

Security should be ashamed, the protestors should be ashamed and the mp should be ashamed.

Walter Bishop · 21-06-2019 04:48PM

Amazing how a month ago, someone throwing a milkshake on Farage or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was the height of political violence and assault, now a woman gets marched out by the neck by some bollocks who shouldn't have been intervening in the first place, and *crickets*

BrokenArrows · 21-06-2019 04:49PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I do not take abuse EVER.

Not a single person has abused you here.
They argued against what you said.

Based on that you have posted the only real reason that you are angry is because it was a "tory". If it had happened in any other scenario then you wouldnt have cared.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 04:52PM

martingriff wrote: »

This is a public forum people are allowed to challenge you on your opinions they do not have to take it. If you feel there is abuse report it

Good advice thank you.

vriesmays · 21-06-2019 04:53PM

The title of this thread is blatantly sexist; she was woman handled.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 04:54PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Not a single person has abused you here.
They argued against what you said.

Based on that you have posted the only real reason that you are angry is because it was a "tory". If it had happened in any other scenario then you wouldnt have cared.

The first part is nothing to do with the argument. It's personal. It's not abusive. It's still personal though. You are expressing a view on me. And not what I think about the issue.

It's kind of irrelevant. I don't know you, you don't know me.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 04:55PM

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Amazing how a month ago, someone throwing a milkshake on Farage or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was the height of political violence and assault, now a woman gets marched out by the neck by some bollocks who shouldn't have been intervening in the first place, and *crickets*

I know how bizarre is that?

BrokenArrows · 21-06-2019 04:56PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The first part is nothing to do with the argument. It's personal. It's not abusive. It's still personal though. You are expressing a view on me. And not what I think about the issue.

It's kind of irrelevant. I don't know you, you don't know me.

BrokenArrows · 21-06-2019 04:58PM

Walter Bishop wrote: »

Amazing how a month ago, someone throwing a milkshake on Farage or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was the height of political violence and assault, now a woman gets marched out by the neck by some bollocks who shouldn't have been intervening in the first place, and *crickets*

In what world is this scenario "crickets"?
Its in all the papers, being discussed everywhere, the guy is suspended and will likely be fired.
It is literally the absolute opposite of "crickets".

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2019 04:59PM

Walter Bishop wrote:

Amazing how a month ago, someone throwing a milkshake on Farage or Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was the height of political violence and assault, now a woman gets marched out by the neck by some bollocks who shouldn't have been intervening in the first place, and *crickets*

I would have thought the shooting of Jo Cox was the height of political violence. Jo Brand suggested throwing acid on politicians would be better. I don't blame politicians if they feel under seige in the UK. This woman protested she may not have got the response she wanted or maybe she did, but the man in question in my view has no case to answer.

TheShow · 21-06-2019 05:01PM

Thread should be retitled to:
“Perpetually offended? Looking for something mundane to be offended about? Come right in.”

Rubberchikken · 21-06-2019 05:04PM

isnt there security at the doors?
i wouldnt agree with him putting himself in a position where his action is found at fault when she seems to be the one who was originally in the wrong.

BattleCorp · 21-06-2019 05:05PM

I'm on the MP's side here. He didn't grab her by the throat nor did he hop her off the pillar. She barely brushed off the pillar.

Yes, he used some physical force to stop her reaching the top table but in my opinion he didn't go over the top. He used reasonable force to remove her from the room.

I'm not advocating violence against protesters but protesters can't expect to be allowed free reign inside a building to cause mayhem.

What was he supposed to do, sit there like a gombeen and allow her to interrupt the event?

My idea of lawful protests is protesting on the street, not unauthorised entry into a private place where they have no business being there.

NIMAN · 21-06-2019 05:06PM

Happened to see the BBC News channel on the last hour, and it was the main story.

As someone said in the thread, 10 years ago it would never have made any news at all, let alone be a top story.

It was a non-event, but in this age everything is hyped up beyond belief and its a big deal even though you'd see rougher horse play in a playschool.

Tell me how · 21-06-2019 05:06PM

martingriff wrote: »

Actually the what if scenario should be answered.

1) if it was a man he tackled would you care and be outraged. - If he still used disproportionate force then yes, I would care (I'm not outraged about this either
2) if it was a woman who did the tackling would you care and be outraged.
3) if it was anyone else but a politican would you care and be outraged

1) if it was a man he tackled would you care and be outraged. - If he still used disproportionate force then yes, I would care. (I'm not outraged about this either)
2) if it was a woman who did the tackling would you care and be outraged. - If it constituted disproportionate force, I would care. (I'm not outraged about this either)
3) if it was anyone else but a politican would you care and be outraged - Yes.(I'm not outraged about this either)

feargale · 21-06-2019 05:13PM

ciaran76 wrote: »

I bet if it was a bloke he wouldn't have done it !

I bet if he did it to a bloke there wouldn't be any of the misandrous sexist s**t that has ensued.

Irish Guitarist · 21-06-2019 05:15PM

If someone threw a milkshake at me in the street damn right I'd consider it assault.

If I was sitting in a restaurant with a few people and someone marched out of nowhere with God knows what intention I'd try to remove them before they did something to me or one of the people I was with.

This isn't based on whether I like these people or not.

vetinari · 21-06-2019 05:15PM

I think he'd still be in trouble if he did it to a bloke.
Peaceful protesters interrupted your black tie dinner.
Big whoop, how thin skinned are you?
Wait for security to escort them out.

vetinari · 21-06-2019 05:16PM

As to the people with the "what with they were armed" bull, there's no way on earth this guy goes anywhere near that woman if he thought she was armed!

feargale · 21-06-2019 05:17PM

vetinari wrote: »

I think he'd still be in trouble if he did it to a bloke.
Peaceful protesters interrupted your black tie dinner.
Big whoop, how thin skinned are you?
Wait for security to escort them out.

Oh the irony!

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2019 05:17PM

vetinari wrote:

As to the people with the "what with they were armed" bull, there's no way on earth this guy goes anywhere near that woman if he thought she was armed!

So you can say without any doubt what his actions would be in an armed scenario? Can you provide your evidence for this claim?

Danzy · 21-06-2019 05:19PM

vetinari wrote: »

As to the people with the "what with they were armed" bull, there's no way on earth this guy goes anywhere near that woman if he thought she was armed!

If he only thought she was going to pour ketchup on someone, his measured response would have been enough

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 05:27PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

If someone threw a milkshake at me in the street damn right I'd consider it assault.

If I was sitting in a restaurant with a few people and someone marched out of nowhere with God knows what intention I'd try to remove them before they did something to me or one of the people I was with.

This isn't based on whether I like what these people or not.

I have no issue with saying throwing the milkshake at farrage was way too far and assault. But this was too.

silverharp · 21-06-2019 05:30PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I have no issue with saying throwing the milkshake at farrage was way too far and assault. But this was too.

If farage broke into your house you probably should throw a milkshake at him. Maybe the guy should have thrown is gazpacho soup at her

21-06-2019 05:31PM

Sometimes people react without thinking to a perceived threat. It's hard to see what threat he could have perceived there, her hands were in view etc., but it's a possibility. On balance I think he was waaayyyyyy too rough in his reaction, but I don't blame him for reacting in itself.

Don't blame him for taking action, but those actions were highly disproportionate to the possible threat. A grovelling apology and donation to charity should be enough, I don't think it's necessary for the guy to resign.

Sonny noggs · 21-06-2019 05:33PM

Lux23 wrote: »

She has a right to protest. He had a right to have her removed, but he didn't need to drag her by the throat. He only has himself to blame.

Right to protest at a private event? Do you agree with protests at politicians homes also?

Do you blame him or not, MP manhandles woman protester

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