Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You have no right, no information and (excuse me if i'm wrong) no special powers of psychic insight, to allow you legitimately assert your personal certainties.

The man raised a child. The man loved a child. The child stands accused of murder. For which, in the case of his child, there is no forensic evidence, and clear forensic evidence against another child.

You have no right, no information and (excuse me if i'm wrong) no special powers of psychic insight, to allow you legitimately assert "The man loved a child"

Maybe he doesnt love his son?

If he loved his child he would have been present when his son and wife were speaking to Gardai on their doorstep, instead of walking around the house, going to bed early, who sleeps that early and for the night when the son they love is speaking to Gardai for an hour when a girl he knew has gone missing.

Or maybe he spent the night destroying evidence cause he knew the son he loved was involved.

Fusitive wrote: »

Boy B was not a master puppeteer, if he was, he gave away the biggest clue to the case by directly putting himself in the line of suspicion by calling to Ana's house while the other boy was hiding away.

He prob though Ana was at home alone & it was only chance her dad saw him. If her dad didn't see him the case could very well have the "disappeared " about it. Where exactly would the search begin? There is a possibility both of these scvmbags planned to go back bury the body which would have been found only accidentally & the forensics would have degenerated that they would have no value. Boy B prob had not the physical capacity to do it alone so he would not draw attention. I would look at him going to the house knowingly aware there was a kill plan going on as he furthering that agenda or led that agenda.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The unfairness in a lot of peoples eyes that Ana was not afforded the same protection . Her life , her difficulties , her struggles , her pain , her horrific death was on every single newspaper for weeks on end . No one gave her protection from that

And her character smeared repeatedly. I think if you are found guilty your names should be released.

dickangel wrote: »

There's also been an image of an innocent kid circulating where it's wrongly claimed he was one of the boys.

Well the boy who done it is detained so surely that would let any would be vigilante know they're wrong.

dickangel wrote: »

There's also been an image of an innocent kid circulating where it's wrongly claimed he was one of the boys.

If they released the identity of the boys we wouldn't have these issues.

anewme wrote: »

People recounting here in graphic detail what happened to Ana in that place is too much to bear.

Locals want it levelled, despite its history and I dont blame them.

What is the buildings history? And what's the story with it now? Has it been sealed off somehow, could someone just walk in and check it out?

GarIT wrote: »

What is the buildings history? And what's the story with it now? Has it been sealed off somehow, could someone just walk in and check it out?

The windows and doors have been closed up with bricks since the tragedy

I read the RTE full report but only getting around to the Irish Times one now which seems more in depth. The below line is appalling. Seems very coincidental:

"Back in Lucan, Dunne and his colleagues continued to comb the area. After walking the park with Boy B the garda decided to search the railway line, but he found nothing. As Dunne was walking back he was stopped by a man and his son. The man had heard about Ana going missing and suggested the garda check the back of the local sewage-treatment plant, as teenagers tended to hang around there...."

"...It was only later that day that Dunne realised this man was Boy A’s father and the teen with him was Boy A."

I wonder did the father know anything then.

The other father is no better. Imagine shouting this in court after a 14 year old has been horribly killed.

“Bunch of scumbags here. Innocent kid in f***ing prison,” he said loudly. “Are you proud of your victory?”

The above line certainly paints a picture of the type of people/families these are.

What difference does it make if their names are out there?

People don't have to worry about them until they're released. Getting their names now will only cause trouble for their families and satisfy people's curiosity, nothing more.

HalloweenJack wrote: »

What difference does it make if their names are out there?

People don't have to worry about them until they're released. Getting their names now will only cause trouble for their families and satisfy people's curiosity, nothing more.

Because people deserve to be able to protect their children on release they SHOULD be named.

''Geraldine and Patric Kriegel remained throughout the testimony of Prof Marie Cassidy as she dispassionately described the autopsy process and the injuries inflicted on Ana. (Boys A and B were both excused from court that day because of the graphic nature of the evidence.)''


This is so f*cking wrong.

Patrick2010 wrote: »

From all reports Ana was quite a strong girl, 5’ 8” and well built. It’s unlikely boy A could have overpowered her without the help of his accomplice who led her to him.

There is no forensic evidence to back that up. There would have at least some hair or clothing fibres transferred between them. So even if he washed his clothes, the fibres/hairs would have been found at crime scene.

Aisling_Dublin wrote: »

I can't wrap my head around why the Ana's parents never took her out of the school seeing clearly that she was suffering, why didn't they take her out after the first ever bullying incident, after the death threats or even after one if the teachers confided in them about how gravely concerned she was.... Take her out to safety, home school, miss a year, find tutors, or no tutors, a vocational school maybe, anything to save her. Can't forgive them for their passivity, although they are of course their own judges and punishers now.

There's always one...:rolleyes:

Fusitive wrote: »

Boy B was not a master puppeteer, if he was, he gave away the biggest clue to the case by directly putting himself in the line of suspicion by calling to Ana's house while the other boy was hiding away.

But he nearly go away without being recognized. It was a chance her father recognized him. I'm sure he believed he would not be recognized & that Ana was at home alone. If her dad didn't to see him, Gardai would not be knocking on his door that night or following nights. Ana had disappeared, prob took her own life because of the stress she was under would be the common story. The park CCTV would not have been used as there would be no reason to use it & from a distance prob not recognizable of Boy B or Boy A. Boy A would not be even in the picture. They nearly got away with it. Fair play to the Gardai they were like bloodhounds after the first scent. And they twigged early on the supposed innocent kids were twisted lying killers.