Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

sheroman01 · 19-06-2019 10:29PM

I read the RTE full report but only getting around to the Irish Times one now which seems more in depth. The below line is appalling. Seems very coincidental:

"Back in Lucan, Dunne and his colleagues continued to comb the area. After walking the park with Boy B the garda decided to search the railway line, but he found nothing. As Dunne was walking back he was stopped by a man and his son. The man had heard about Ana going missing and suggested the garda check the back of the local sewage-treatment plant, as teenagers tended to hang around there...."

"...It was only later that day that Dunne realised this man was Boy A’s father and the teen with him was Boy A."

I wonder did the father know anything then.

The other father is no better. Imagine shouting this in court after a 14 year old has been horribly killed.

“Bunch of scumbags here. Innocent kid in f***ing prison,” he said loudly. “Are you proud of your victory?”

The above line certainly paints a picture of the type of people/families these are.

Sunflower 27 · 19-06-2019 10:29PM

dickangel wrote: »

We wouldn't have these issues if sick people didn't share pics of innocent kids, endangering their lives.

I'm surprised people didn't predict this sort of thing would happen. Years ago I was on Facebook and there is so much crap posted and shared. I came off it for that very reason.

We all know A and B are detained so any kid in school is obviously not them. The fact their picture is being shared though is beyond wrong.

HalloweenJack · 19-06-2019 10:30PM

What difference does it make if their names are out there?

People don't have to worry about them until they're released. Getting their names now will only cause trouble for their families and satisfy people's curiosity, nothing more.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 10:31PM

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

I'm surprised people didn't predict this sort of thing would happen. Years ago I was on Facebook and there is so much crap posted and shared. I came off it for that very reason.

We all know A and B are detained so any kid in school is obviously not them. The fact their picture is being shared though is beyond wrong.

They could be well to do as well who knows.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 10:32PM

HalloweenJack wrote: »

What difference does it make if their names are out there?

People don't have to worry about them until they're released. Getting their names now will only cause trouble for their families and satisfy people's curiosity, nothing more.

Because people deserve to be able to protect their children on release they SHOULD be named.

dickangel · 19-06-2019 10:32PM

smurgen wrote: »

Well a vigilante isn't going to be harming an innocent bystander in error because the real perpetrator is now detained.do you understand what i am saying?

So what's the point in sharing any pic then? Obviously for when they get out, people want to recognise them.

The point stands, it's endangering innocent kids. I certainly wouldn't sleep easy if my kids was wrongly implicated in this. "Ah sure he's grand the angry mob will figure it out when they realise he's not locked up."

tuxy · 19-06-2019 10:32PM

GarIT wrote: »

What is the buildings history? And what's the story with it now? Has it been sealed off somehow, could someone just walk in and check it out?

Here's some info. I have no way of confirming the info in the facebook post is accurate but it was shared one month before the murder.

http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=FI&regno=11360006

https://www.facebook.com/OldLucan/posts/zero-progress-on-glenwood-house-laraghcon-by-the-owners-sherborough-properties-o/1820213044684163/

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 10:34PM

dickangel wrote: »

So what's the point in sharing any pic then? Obviously for when they get out, people want to recognise them.

The point stands, it's endangering innocent kids. I certainly wouldn't sleep easy if my kids was wrongly implicated in this. "Ah sure he's grand the angry mob will figure it out when they realise he's not locked up."

Of course defaming an innocent child is not ok.

19-06-2019 10:35PM

''Geraldine and Patric Kriegel remained throughout the testimony of Prof Marie Cassidy as she dispassionately described the autopsy process and the injuries inflicted on Ana. (Boys A and B were both excused from court that day because of the graphic nature of the evidence.)''

This is so f*cking wrong.

Hal3000 · 19-06-2019 10:36PM

pjohnson wrote: »

They must be kept safe the darlings.

This is Ireland, everyone knows everyone. No way this will be kept under wraps for much longer.

Fakediamond · 19-06-2019 10:37PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

From all reports Ana was quite a strong girl, 5’ 8” and well built. It’s unlikely boy A could have overpowered her without the help of his accomplice who led her to him.

There is no forensic evidence to back that up. There would have at least some hair or clothing fibres transferred between them. So even if he washed his clothes, the fibres/hairs would have been found at crime scene.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 19-06-2019 10:40PM

The law is the law with regard to naming these boys. But the law is completely wrong here.

The public should absolutely have the right to know the identity of anyone convicted of murder in the state. The girl had her whole life put out there and she is now gone. The weasels that killed her get protected. That's very rotten.

Protecting murdering scum is not what the criminal justice system should be there for.

washman3 · 19-06-2019 10:40PM

Aisling_Dublin wrote: »

I can't wrap my head around why the Ana's parents never took her out of the school seeing clearly that she was suffering, why didn't they take her out after the first ever bullying incident, after the death threats or even after one if the teachers confided in them about how gravely concerned she was.... Take her out to safety, home school, miss a year, find tutors, or no tutors, a vocational school maybe, anything to save her. Can't forgive them for their passivity, although they are of course their own judges and punishers now.

There's always one...:rolleyes:

Sardonicat · 19-06-2019 10:40PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Because people deserve to be able to protect their children on release they SHOULD be named.

But they'll get new identities. You're not gonna know if that nice man next door was once the kid formerly known as Boy A/B

mrjoneill · 19-06-2019 10:41PM

Fusitive wrote: »

Boy B was not a master puppeteer, if he was, he gave away the biggest clue to the case by directly putting himself in the line of suspicion by calling to Ana's house while the other boy was hiding away.

But he nearly go away without being recognized. It was a chance her father recognized him. I'm sure he believed he would not be recognized & that Ana was at home alone. If her dad didn't to see him, Gardai would not be knocking on his door that night or following nights. Ana had disappeared, prob took her own life because of the stress she was under would be the common story. The park CCTV would not have been used as there would be no reason to use it & from a distance prob not recognizable of Boy B or Boy A. Boy A would not be even in the picture. They nearly got away with it. Fair play to the Gardai they were like bloodhounds after the first scent. And they twigged early on the supposed innocent kids were twisted lying killers.

mrjoneill · 19-06-2019 10:42PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

But they'll get new identities. You're not gonna know if that nice man next door was once the kid formerly known as Boy A/B

Not as easy as that to be a "person from god knows where".

Hal3000 · 19-06-2019 10:44PM

Parents and schools have so much to answer for in this case. As far as the school and the bullying, absolutely nothing will happen on that front. They'll say their hands are tied, because they now know we except that crap. If my daughter was bullied and I had proof I would picket the school everyday with a huge sign saying "Dangerous Environment for kids" until I got action...

Dontfadeaway · 19-06-2019 10:44PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

Patrick2010 wrote: »

From all reports Ana was quite a strong girl, 5’ 8” and well built. It’s unlikely boy A could have overpowered her without the help of his accomplice who led her to him.

There is no forensic evidence to back that up. There would have at least some hair or clothing fibres transferred between them. So even if he washed his clothes, the fibres/hairs would have been found at crime scene.

Was there any evidence at the crime
scene of boy A other than semen? I know they found most of the DNA at his house.

Nodferatu · 19-06-2019 10:45PM

Lets condemn the boys and call them scum etc.
Also same people, lets protect them boys and ensure their safety and not post photos or names.

Sardonicat · 19-06-2019 10:46PM

mrjoneill wrote: »

Not as easy as that to be a "person from god knows where".

Not in Ireland, no. But I can't imagine them sticking round here whenever they are released (hopefully not for a long, long time ) given the anger felt towards them and given that the dogs on the streets of North Kildare and Lucan most certainly know who they are.

tayto lover · 19-06-2019 10:49PM

Wombatman wrote: »

People need to understand that for Boy B to be guilty of murder the prosecution must prove either:

1. He participated in the act of killing
or
2. He helped Boy A with the murder in the full knowledge of what Boy A was about to do.

From what I have read there is no proof for one.

s?

Participated in the act for sure by supplying the victim. Took her 3 km to meet Boy A. They could have met outside her house.
Knew exactly what Boy A had planned and enjoyed it all.

Even supplied the tape.

Of course he’s guilty. Didn’t fool the jury thankfully.

mrjoneill · 19-06-2019 10:52PM

washman3 wrote: »

There's always one...:rolleyes:

Maybe there was not many alternative schools in the option. The bullying how awful it is was exposed in the Syrian refugee kids in England and this school did nothing till the video hit social media and the reaction to it. The kid in this case had his arm broken previous to this & his sister was also being bullied to the extreme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44qZK7uheSw
The school needs to be fully exposed & there is a need for an independent inquiry to be made & heads need role if necessary. Its the only way of dealing with such. Its such a pity the so many kids that turned up at her funeral did not befriend her when alive. The hypocrisy of it all annoys me a lot

Grayson · 19-06-2019 10:52PM

NeonWolf wrote: »

I don't want to derail the thread but I have been thinking about how Paddy Jackson and his buddies were spared no anonymity and found innocent, yet these two absolute scumbags have their identities protected after taking a girls life in the most callous manner.

Strange old world .

different jurisdiction, different ages.

ILoveYourVibes · 19-06-2019 10:53PM

mrjoneill wrote: »

Not as easy as that to be a "person from god knows where".

Not in Ireland maybe. It is elsewhere.

_blaaz · 19-06-2019 10:57PM

Nodferatu wrote: »

Lets condemn the boys and call them scum etc.
Also same people, lets protect them boys and ensure their safety and not post photos or names.

Tbf its a bit weird to be posting pics of kids to the internet!

tuxy · 19-06-2019 10:59PM

_blaaz wrote: »

Tbf its a bit weird to be posting pics of kids to the internet!

Probably the same people that were posting the video of a decapitated person on the M50 so not weird to them.

gozunda · 19-06-2019 11:00PM

volchitsa wrote: »

She'd been hit on the back of the head to start off. That alone would have made her much more vulnerable than if both had started off face to face and then it degenerated from there. So not impossible that a strong boy who knew some martial arts could have overpowered her on his own.
It is odd the other boy seems to have stood there and done nothing, but there was none of his DNA on her, not identifiable anyway. That's actually why I wonder if he wasn't in fact the instigator.

Tbh the thought of what this young girl went through is truely horrendous

Afaik the Gardai reckoned she was attacked just inside the doorway of the room - so likely boy B led her there and Boy A attacked without warning wearing his zombie mask etc - she would have been both frightened and disoriented and at an immediate disadvantage.

That said I'm glad that at least Boy A did get a good hiding from Ana despite all his 'protective' gear. It is truely sad that she didn't get free tbh.

Boy B was there for sure. As to his role after - we dont know. I thought that Boy A would have came out and have given details of what B did

The problem was that Boy A couldn't - he claims he was not there. If he had admitted the attack - then the gardai would have been able to properly investigate exactly which one was the true instigator

Boy B is a lot more responsible for whatever happened than he has ever admitted imo. I believe boy B's backpack had spare clothes - perhaps why no DNA was found on him

mrjoneill wrote: »

He prob though Ana was at home alone & it was only chance her dad saw him. If her dad didn't see him the case could very well have the "disappeared " about it. Where exactly would the search begin? There is a possibility both of these scvmbags planned to go back bury the body which would have been found only accidentally & the forensics would have degenerated that they would have no value. Boy B prob had not the physical capacity to do it alone so he would not draw attention. I would look at him going to the house knowingly aware there was a kill plan going on as he furthering that agenda or led that agenda.

I believe that could indeed be true. Ana fighting back left boy A with injuries that he could not hide. Both boys had to come up with a different plan by either pretending Ana was attacked by a stranger or that possibly they could hide the body. Neither scenario was possible in the end - so they believed that by not telling the Gardai where she was - they just might get lucky and get away with the murder ...

pablo128 · 19-06-2019 11:03PM

I'd say part of the reason B was there was to record the attack. Hence the phones were first to dissappear when the heat was on him.

tuxy · 19-06-2019 11:07PM

pablo128 wrote: »

I'd say part of the reason B was there was to record the attack. Hence the phones were first to dissappear when the heat was on him.

I have no idea what phones you are talking about, there is no report of phones going missing after the fact.

Boy B had no phone on him and used Ana's phone to check the time at one stage. They had no problem getting Boy A's phone and they found out what he had been searching for.

pablo128 · 19-06-2019 11:09PM

tuxy wrote: »

I have no idea what phones you are talking about, there is no report of phones going missing after the fact.

Boy B had no phone on him and used Ana's phone to check the time at one stage. They had no problem getting Boy A's phone and they found out what he had been searching for.

Yeah that's what he said alright. He's also a proven liar. If you knew you had an incriminating video on your phone, would you hand it over to the Gardai, or even admit having a phone?

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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