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Internet Porn and Minors!

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  • #52
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    cgcsb wrote: »
    I wonder what type of smart phone John Venables had in 1993?

    There are different kinds of psychopathic behaviour, driven by nature and nurture, by genetics and environment, or a mixture. That one psychopath in the past didn’t need an internet connection and was not influenced by online media doesn’t mean that another person in another age can’t be.

    It’s like dismissing right wing radicalisation caused by the internet by pointing out that right wing white nationalists existed before the internet. It’s not a reasonable argument.

    And remember what’s being discussed here is children’s access to porn not adults. We ban children from doing a lot of stuff.


  • #53
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    cgcsb wrote: »
    How would it work? The UK's solution is to sell the information for £0 to a single porn platform, who will manage the AgeID platform for all users. They've really not put much thought into this at all.

    ISPs could do it.


  • #54
    InTheShadows
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭InTheShadows


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Who even regulates or age verifies amateur porn even on the top porn sites like Pornhub??

    It's all a bit mad. When some girl is sucking off her BF and she could be 15,16,17,18,19, who knows. But millions upon millions of such videos on all the top porn sites. It's strange, who is tracking down all these people down asking for ID? How do porn sites get away with showing amateur porn when it's not age verified ?

    I'll be honest i stopped watching online porn some time ago because i was feeling more and more uneasy about what i was witnessing. We've got to a place where a guy choking a woman with his penis or a group of 10 or more men having sex with a woman is normalized. Also the obsession with making girls look as young as possible is rather bizarre.


  • #55
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    There are different kinds of psychopathic behaviour, driven by nature and nurture, by genetics and environment, or a mixture. That one psychopath in the past didn’t need an internet connection and was not influenced by online media doesn’t mean that another person in another age can’t be.

    It’s like dismissing right wing radicalisation caused by the internet by pointing out that right wing white nationalists existed before the internet. It’s not a reasonable argument.

    And remember what’s being discussed here is children’s access to porn not adults. We ban children from doing a lot of stuff.

    I was replying in response to smart phone use in general. It is ridiculous to claim that pornography makes someone a murder. Ted Bundy tried to claim this but the psychologists dismissed this as nonsense. The pornography available at the time would have been, at best, slightly naughty.


  • #56
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    cgcsb wrote: »
    How would it work? The UK's solution is to sell the information for £0 to a single porn platform, who will manage the AgeID platform for all users. They've really not put much thought into this at all.


    Buy a single use code with your credit card (in the earlier, pre free streaming site days of the internet, the only way for the vast majority to watch porn was to pay with a credit card), similar to phone credit, once entered it allows that IP address to access pornhub etc. I agree the idea of using passport & drivers licenses is ludicrously unnecessary, but they've made the mistakes so we don't have to.


  • #57
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,712 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Users who post content on the likes of xtube have to provide a scan of their passport. But this is, of course, easily bypassed.


    But that proves noting. Some guy shows he is over 18, so he can now post videos. He can upload any content, one thing is for sure the people who upload to pornsites are not the ones in the videos they up load. So they upload some gf sucking off her bf, and no one knows if they are 17, 16, 20,21, 18. The people in all those amateur videos are not age verified, how the porn sites get away with it is incredible.


  • #58
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    I'll be honest i stopped watching online porn some time ago because i was feeling more and more uneasy about what i was witnessing. We've got to a place where a guy choking a woman with his penis or a group of 10 or more men having sex with a woman is normalized. Also the obsession with making girls look as young as possible is rather bizarre.

    ??? surely you control the type of content you watch?


  • #59
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    cgcsb wrote: »
    I was replying in response to smart phone use in general. It is ridiculous to claim that pornography makes someone a murder. Ted Bundy tried to claim this but the psychologists dismissed this as nonsense. The pornography available at the time would have been, at best, slightly naughty.


    Extreme porn has existed since the birth of celluloid, and again we're not talking about adults, we're talking about children, and the effect of hardcore pornography on the minds of 10- 13 year old children for example. Quite frankly I'm amazed by the pushback on this.


  • #60
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Buy a single use code with your credit card (in the earlier, pre free streaming site days of the internet, the only way for the vast majority to watch porn was to pay with a credit card), similar to phone credit, once entered it allows that IP address to access pornhub etc. I agree the idea of using passport & drivers licenses is ludicrously unnecessary, but they've made the mistakes so we don't have to.

    Where does the money for the single use cards go?

    As a person resident in Ireland I could set up a website, accessible from the UK, that effectively rebroadcasts pornhub for example, I could charge half whatever the card cost and have a nice life for myself on the costa del sol. The site would be blocked, just set up another. infinite riches :D


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  • #61
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,712 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    I'll be honest i stopped watching online porn some time ago because i was feeling more and more uneasy about what i was witnessing. We've got to a place where a guy choking a woman with his penis or a group of 10 or more men having sex with a woman is normalized. Also the obsession with making girls look as young as possible is rather bizarre.




    You'd be better off with a subscription to Girls Out West or some other site that produces its own content, you'd know it's all legit and sensual, and intimate and shot beautifully with legit models.


  • #62
    [Deleted User]
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    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    You could release software that makes accessing porn and dodgy sites harder to get to.

    It would certainly cut out any accidental porn finds.

    Education will help too.

    Using OpenDNS will do that and costs nothing. Age verification wont solve anything. It'll be easily bypassed, mark my words.


  • #63
    [Deleted User]
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    Its very nuanced, for example, 30 or 40 years ago it was common to see parents smoking around children or to see children being given a slap in public and no one thought anything of it. Any parent who smoked arond children or who slaps them in public today would be shamed or judged and this is enough of a deterrent so that for some parents smoking around children or slaping them in public is rare, of course, there are parents who do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

    It would be nice to think that people do the right thing for the right reason but sometimes they do the right thing because they are nudged into it or becaue they will be judged for it.

    Banning smartphone for children will not work but a little bit judging of parents could change the culture so that eventually it would be rare for parents to give children unmonitored access to smartphones.


  • #64
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    cgcsb wrote: »

    As a person resident in Ireland I could set up a website, accessible from the UK, that effectively rebroadcasts pornhub for example, I could charge half whatever the card cost and have a nice life for myself on the costa del sol. The site would be blocked, just set up another. infinite riches :D


    Pretty much what drug dealers do, should we roll over for that cartel and tear down our criminal justice system?


  • #65
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Using OpenDNS will do that and costs nothing. Age verification wont solve anything. It'll be easily bypassed, mark my words.


    Easily bypassed by a few maybe, same way a few people get away with driving with no tax & insurance on their cars, should we do away with tax & insurance?


  • #66
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Easily bypassed by a few maybe, same way a few people get away with driving with no tax & insurance on their cars, should we do away with tax & insurance?

    How hard do you think it would be? What percentage of teenagers do you think would know how to bypass filters using a VPN or an alternative browser like TOR?


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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
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    Teenagers will always find a way around things thats why technology is not the answer its has to become the culture that children are not given access to smartphones and if they are, they are heavily monitored they might get around the monitoring but at the very least its a signal of what is expected form them.


  • #68
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    What pwrcentage of teenagers do you think would know how to bypass filters using a VPN or an alternative browser like TOR?


    The bulk of teen internet usage is now on phones & tablet, spend time with teenagers, most know the main sites, facebook, youtube etc., some will know what putlocker is, even some will know how to download torrents, but the majority aren't that clued up on vpn's and certainly not on the likes of TOR. again I'll use tax & insurance on cars, it's easy enough to go on facebook, look up "gardai checkpoints", and plan your journey accordingly, and through that some savvy individuals can drive around untaxed & uninsured indefinitely, does that mean we should all do it?


  • #69
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    The bulk of teen internet usage is now on phones & tablet, spend time with teenagers, most know the main sites, facebook, youtube etc., some will know what putlocker is, even some will know how to download torrents, but the majority aren't that clued up on vpn's and certainly not on the likes of TOR. again I'll use tax & insurance on cars, it's easy enough to go on facebook, look up "gardai checkpoints", and plan your journey accordingly, and through that some savvy individuals can drive around untaxed & uninsured indefinitely, does that mean we should all do it?

    You are seriously deluded if you think kids these days are not "clued up" on these, the few who are not would soon be educated by their peers if such a ban/passport were to be implemented.


  • #70
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You are seriously deluded if you think kids these days are not "clued up" on these, the few who are not would soon be educated by their peers if such a ban/passport were to be implemented.


    I'm not, you greatly overestimate the knowledge of how the internet works that kids have, it's like saying everyone who drives a car knows the ins and outs of an internal combustion engine. Kids are causal users, they know snapchat, facebook & whatsapp like the back of their hand yes, but you're confusing ease of use with in depth knowledge.


  • #71
    Kingp35
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    InTheShadows wrote: »
    I'll be honest i stopped watching online porn some time ago because i was feeling more and more uneasy about what i was witnessing. We've got to a place where a guy choking a woman with his penis or a group of 10 or more men having sex with a woman is normalized. Also the obsession with making girls look as young as possible is rather bizarre.

    How is the above normalised? You are the one that clicked on the videos and chose to watch them.
    El_Bee wrote: »
    Extreme porn has existed since the birth of celluloid, and again we're not talking about adults, we're talking about children, and the effect of hardcore pornography on the minds of 10- 13 year old children for example. Quite frankly I'm amazed by the pushback on this.

    Can you link me to any peer reviewed studies that illustrates the effect of porn on teenagers that would justify banning porn? Genuine question as you seem to be very pro a ban being introduced.


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  • #72
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    I'm not, you greatly overestimate the knowledge of how the internet works that kids have, it's like saying everyone who drives a car knows the ins and outs of an internal combustion engine. Kids are causal user, you're confusing ease of use with in depth knowledge.

    Ah would you stop!


  • #73
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I watched a bit of porn when i was 13/14 and probably had a good fap in the process. A friend used to find his parents stash and when they were out we’d all go around to his house for a matinee. I’m 48 now and it never done me any harm. Those kids were born evil bast*rds.
    I'm willing to bet that that porn was not extremely dark, depicting violence and degradation.

    Why such resistance to actually really young kids having their access to the above restricted? :confused:


  • #74
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Can you link me to any peer reviewed studies that illustrates the effect of porn on teenagers that would justify banning porn? Genuine question as you seem to be very pro a ban being introduced.


    No one said anything about banning porn, you're coming from an intellectually dishonest position from the get go, so why would I do the legwork for you?.


  • #75
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ah would you stop!


    Stop what?


  • #76
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    El_Bee wrote: »
    I'm not, you greatly overestimate the knowledge of how the internet works that kids have, it's like saying everyone who drives a car knows the ins and outs of an internal combustion engine.
    If I needed a car to go to where I was getting my end away, you'd be damned sure I'd learn in double quick time, or ask someone who knew already. The internet sees censorship as a fault and will route around it. Look at the Irish IPs who locked out torrent sites at the behest of government and other bodies who as usual were clueless about how this stuff works(mostly because they were unqualified and old). And yet Irish people are still downloading torrents. A goodly proportion of the threads in the TV forum hereabouts couldn't exist without illegal downloads, unless the folks over there are all Americans with subs to US Netflix, Hula and Amazon.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #77
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Stop what?

    :rolleyes:


  • #78
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    El_Bee wrote: »
    No one said anything about banning porn, you're coming from an intellectually dishonest position from the get go, so why would I do the legwork for you?.

    Apologies, banning porn for teenagers and thus the need for a "porn passport". Are there any studies that justify the need to do this or is it simply a knew jerk reaction a horrendous murder case?

    This just reminds me of the witch hunt around video nasties in the 80's/90's and video games more recently where studies were conducted and no proof was found that these things made kids more prone to violence.


  • #79
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Apologies, banning porn for teenagers and thus the need for a "porn passport". Are there any studies that justify the need to do this or is it simply a knew jerk reaction a horrendous murder case?

    This just reminds me of the witch hunt around video nasties in the 80's/90's and video games more recently where studies were conducted and no proof was found that these things made kids more prone to violence.


    https://lmgtfy.com/?q=studies+on+the+effect+of+pornography+on+adolecents


  • #80
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Wibbs wrote: »
    If I needed a car to go to where I was getting my end away, you'd be damned sure I'd learn in double quick time, or ask someone who knew already. The internet sees censorship as a fault and will route around it. Look at the Irish IPs who locked out torrent sites at the behest of government and other bodies who as usual were clueless about how this stuff works(mostly because they were unqualified and old). And yet Irish people are still downloading torrents. A goodly proportion of the threads in the TV forum hereabouts couldn't exist without illegal downloads, unless the folks over there are all Americans with subs to US Netflix, Hula and Amazon.


    What are the numbers now compared to when access to torrent sites were unrestricted?


  • #81
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    El_Bee wrote: »
    https://lmgtfy.com/?q=studies+on+the+effect+of+pornography+on+adolecents

    I'll take that as a no then. Thought so.


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  • #82
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm generally the last person to be calling for bans of things/asking for more government regulation/interference in our private lives, however with regards to smartphones+social media I genuinely wouldn't mind if they were completely outlawed for minors, U16 at least - regular phones are all they need/should need at that age.
    The rise of smartphones and social media's influence is starting to take effect much earlier and I have no doubt it is linked with the growing narcissism and anxiety we're seeing a lot more of in young people. Apart from maps, I can't see any marginal benefits that smartphones have over standard mobiles for children - it's the extras such as internet access, live videochatting etc which are causing most of the problems.


  • #83
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Panthro wrote: »
    Give them all Nokia 3310s.
    Closest thing you'll find to a boob there is (.) (.)

    NSFW post reported.


  • #84
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    I'll take that as a no then. Thought so.


    There are several through that link, which you probably knew already before you ever posted, I just thought I'd highlight your dishonesty one more time.


  • #85
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Apologies, banning porn for teenagers and thus the need for a "porn passport". Are there any studies that justify the need to do this or is it simply a knew jerk reaction a horrendous murder case?

    This just reminds me of the witch hunt around video nasties in the 80's/90's and video games more recently where studies were conducted and no proof was found that these things made kids more prone to violence.

    Again banning it or the idea of a porn passport won't work its much more subtle than that.

    Its like underage drinking most teenagers drink underage but society still signals that the legal age of drinking is 18 because for some people alcohol is addictive.


  • #86
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    I've just checked there, the UK porn block can be bypassed in less than two minutes by googling three letters, clicking the first result, clicking download and then clicking next 3 times.

    No matter how much of an idiot you are you can do it. Once one kid figures it out it will spread across the country by word of mouth within weeks if not days.

    I'm not in the we shouldn't do anything because one thing doesn't work camp, I don't think many are, but this thing just doesn't work.


  • #87
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    GarIT wrote: »
    I've just checked there, the UK porn block can be bypassed in less than two minutes by googling three letters, clicking the first result, clicking download and then clicking next 3 times.

    No matter how much of an idiot you are you can do it. Once one kid figures it out it will spread across the country by word of mouth within weeks if not days.

    I'm not in the we shouldn't do anything because one thing doesn't work camp, I don't think many are, but this thing just doesn't work.


    As I've already said, it's very easy to look up gardai checkpoints and use that to drive around with no tax & insurance, so should we all cancel our policies? and just because their system doesn't work, why would we copy something from a country that though Brexit was a good idea anway? Are we that Dependent on the UK to show us how to wipe our arses?


  • #88
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    El_Bee wrote: »
    There are several through that link, which you probably knew already before you ever posted, I just thought I'd highlight your dishonesty one more time.

    You have absolutely no credibility at this stage. The below is from the very first link through your highlighted link.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6088458/
    Cross-sectional evidence suggests that pornography use is related to lower mental well-being among adolescents but it remains unclear if changes in well-being are related to the dynamics of pornography use within this population. We examined the relationship between pornography use, subjective well-being, symptoms of depressions and anxiety, and self-esteem in two independent panel samples (N = 455; N = 858) of Croatian adolescents using cross-lagged path analysis and lagged linear mixed models. After controlling for impulsiveness and family environment—factors that are unlikely to be influenced by pornography use—earlier levels of pornography use were not significantly associated with subsequent decreases in subjective well-being across gender and panel. However, pornography use was associated with increases in both self-esteem and symptoms of depression and anxiety, albeit only among adolescent women in one of the two panels. In addition, low subjective well-being was associated with a subsequent increase in pornography use, but only in female adolescents in one panel. This study’s results are not consistent with concerns about pornography use negatively contributing to male adolescents’ psychological well-being, but suggest potential antagonistic links between pornography use and specific facets of mental well-being in adolescent women. Such links should be considered tentative until verified with further research.

    I've highlighted the most important bit in bold for you.


  • #89
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Wibbs wrote: »
    If I needed a car to go to where I was getting my end away, you'd be damned sure I'd learn in double quick time, or ask someone who knew already. The internet sees censorship as a fault and will route around it. Look at the Irish IPs who locked out torrent sites at the behest of government and other bodies who as usual were clueless about how this stuff works(mostly because they were unqualified and old). And yet Irish people are still downloading torrents. A goodly proportion of the threads in the TV forum hereabouts couldn't exist without illegal downloads, unless the folks over there are all Americans with subs to US Netflix, Hula and Amazon.

    The motivation is the key. I watched internet porn in the dial up days as a young lad, dial up was a far more effective barrier than any block the UK state could come up with.


  • #90
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    El_Bee wrote: »
    What are the numbers now compared to when access to torrent sites were unrestricted?

    There are more factors than just that. Torrenting as a medium is dying as people are looking for more convenient methods even where there is no ban. In some areas usage has gone down due to the site owners being tracked down and arrested. That wouldn't be happening with a porn ban for under 18s.


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  • #91
    Seanachai
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I'm in a group chat with a bunch of lads i grew up with (18 in the group, average age late 40's early 50's) some of the things they send to the group are shocking and believe me i have seen some sights in my lifetime so it takes a lot to shock me.

    Even if you close down every porn site there are still apps like whatsapp where content gets shared.

    There's a whole network of drug dealing done through apps now, they can't un-ring the bell with this technology


  • #92
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    El_Bee wrote: »
    As I've already said, it's very easy to look up gardai checkpoints and use that to drive around with no tax & insurance, so should we all cancel our policies? and just because their system doesn't work, why would we copy something from a country that though Brexit was a good idea anway? Are we that Dependent on the UK to show us how to wipe our arses?

    That's a completely different situation. And potential checks at the website level is like putting up an ankle high fence to keep people out. There are other potential solutions, most involve education and parents getting involved. But this proposal isn't a solution at all.


  • #93
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    You have absolutely no credibility at this stage. The below is from the very first link through your highlighted link.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6088458/



    I've highlighted the most important bit in bold for you.




    You're arguing IN FAVOUR adolescents to be allowed view hardcore pornography, and I have no credibility?
    Here:
    https://aifs.gov.au/publications/effects-pornography-children-and-young-people-snapshot

    we can throw links at each other all day, at the end of the day our moral cowardice got a young girl killed, but sure what's to be done, nothing it seems.


  • #94
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    El_Bee wrote: »
    You're arguing IN FAVOUR adolescents to be allowed view hardcore pornography, and I have no credibility?
    Here:
    https://aifs.gov.au/publications/effects-pornography-children-and-young-people-snapshot

    we can throw links at each other all day, at the end of the day our moral cowardice got a young girl killed, but sure what's to be done, nothing it seems.

    Don't be facetious, you know that's not what I'm saying.

    What I am saying is that in order to ban something (or introduce measures to restrict something) you need credible justification for doing so. Hyperbole like "our moral cowardice got a young girl killed" is completely irrelevant, especially when there is literally no proof that this is true.

    It's a complete knee jerk reaction and won't solve anything.


  • #95
    Wibbs
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    El_Bee wrote: »
    at the end of the day our moral cowardice got a young girl killed, but sure what's to be done, nothing it seems.
    Oh FFS. The level of truly simple, I hesitate to call it "thinking" when a tragedy occurs never ceases to surprise me. It seems to get worse if anything. In another thread on the matter it was suggested we need more of all things feminism because yeah that would have stopped this happening. Are people who appear to be generally bright enough actually this thick when hard sums come into it? Jesus.

    In 1973 a seven year old boy was murdered in an attic in Palmerstown Dublin by a 16 year old, in what looked to be a satanistic type rite. Pre internet. No doubt in good oul Catholic Ireland(where the case was kept out of the news) it was blamed on satanic forces or evil fillums or books.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    cgcsb
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    El_Bee wrote: »
    at the end of the day our moral cowardice got a young girl killed.

    :eek: is such blatant trolling allowed thee days?


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    Wibbs
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    :eek: is such blatant trolling allowed thee days?
    I seriously doubt that's what it is CG. In general people don't tend to self examine or examine long and deeply held ideas and when terrible tragedies happen they really don't. Or rather the long held certainties shake at such tragedies and they look around for equally simplistic answers because they're comforting. Reality rarely is.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #98
    cgcsb
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    I seriously doubt that's what it is CG. In general people don't tend to self examine or examine long and deeply held ideas and when terrible tragedies happen they really don't. Or rather the long held certainties shake at such tragedies and they look around for equally simplistic answers because they're comforting. Reality rarely is.

    Possibly, I just think it's bizzar when people jump to such extreme conclusions with no rational basis whatsoever.


  • #99
    TheValeyard
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    Wasnt the Jamie Bulger case blamed on horror films or that Film 'Childs Play'. Banning horror films wouldnt stop child murder.

    It would be impossible to block internet porn. Anyone with half a brain could bypass any filter. Education is key. Sure they still have massive and almost impossible job of removing illegal porn, and/ or drug, weapons, medicines from the web

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #100
    suicide_circus
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    porn made these boys commit this murder to the same extent that playing Doom made the boys who carried out the Columbine school massacre do what they did


  • #101
    TheValeyard
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    porn made these boys commit this murder to the same extent that playing Doom made the boys who carried out the Columbine school massacre do what they did

    Or bowling.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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