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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,884 ✭✭✭✭ Varik


    Only if the translation and voiceover were completely redone, and AFAIK (open to correction, but seems they added more voiceover rather than completely redoing what was there originally) they weren’t. If her localisation work is still in the game in any form, she deserves a credit. I’d make the same argument about a remaster of a game - the original team deserve their credit alongside the remastering studio.

    Besides, the stated policy of not crediting people who’ve left the company is fundamentally crappy - as said, if they worked on the game in any noteworthy capacity, they deserve credit for that.
    Varik wrote: »
    She was an editor on one of the games and VA director on both for the original release, the rest of her roles would have to be redone for a new release

    As I said, the rest of her roles would have been redone (ESRB handler, Marketing, QA). Would have just put her down in each role as special thanks or such for what was carried over.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 26,869 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    Varik wrote: »
    As I said, the rest of her roles would have been redone (ESRB handler, Marketing, QA). Would have just put her down in each role as special thanks or such for what was carried over.

    Ah my apologies there, I misread your post But yes absolutely no problem with new crediting where fresh work had to be done, only where the remaining original work isn’t credited - the localisation work in particular in this case. And as you say a special thanks credit for the origInal marketing / admin work would seem reasonable and fair.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭ Robert ninja


    The CNET hitpiece was originally leaked by the writer's own staff earlier and now there's a part 2.
    1 2 3 4
    As a response from so many journo-activists meddling instead of just reporting, some creators are considering responding by using their same tactics against them


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,884 ✭✭✭✭ Varik


    That's going to be fun, old Vs new media.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭ gizmo


    Varik wrote: »
    That's going to be fun, old Vs new media.
    The interesting thing is, at their worst they suffer from exactly the same fundamental problem - ratings driving content, rather than the more desirable scenario where the two are flipped. Where they appear to differ is the degree, and to an extent, the manner in which, they're willing to chase those numbers.

    For reference, the CNET article which has kicked this particular debate off is this, Meet the angry gaming YouTubers who turn outrage into views.

    What I found most interesting about the article is not that it's one of the first articles I've seen which explicitly mentions some of the most notable Youtubers in this space but that some of them actually replied, demonstrating, in their own words, the problem.

    Chris Zakrzewski of Upper Echelon Gamers, initially started his channel to talk about a game he was clearly into, The Division, but over time found a considerably larger audience when he leaned into the "critical" side of commentary and when I say critical, I don't mean analysis. You can actually see this shift if you scroll through the overview of his videos on his channel here. When asked would he consider changing that formula, as he says in the article, it was a hard no.

    The Youtuber Downward Thrust had a similar trajectory in terms of his own content and even goes on to describe how he cultivated his new audience with the now common "catchy" headline and thumbnail image. His comments about the pressure he feels to be more negative because of other channels are rather sad but, on the upside, at least he's decide to move away from that and create more "thoughtfully crafted videos".

    CleanPrinceGaming had a rather similar start on Youtube, again demonstrable if you look at his videos from old to new on his channel. His attempt at the more positive What's So Great series, as described in the article, is interesting too as it showed how quickly he was willing to jettison it when it didn't "find an audience" as they say.

    As for The Quartering, johnny_ultimate made a joke earlier about him creating seven videos in response to Captain Marvel and Brie Larson. This was an utterly ridiculous assertion. The number is closer to the thirty mark. What makes it most relevant in this context is that when questioned on the subject, he didn't defend the value or news worthiness of this content, he simply pointed to the video views and related subscriber boosts it offered.

    It's probably worth pointing out the folk above have nearly all taken a rather negative view on the article since its publication. What was intriguing was how they addressed it though, they tended to defend their content as standing up for the consumer against the industry and particular negative practices and yet missed the point that it was the manner in which they created this content, the "angry" side of things, that was the focus of the piece.

    They're also bizarrely claiming it's an attempt to get them shut down by contacting advertisers in order to get them demonetised whereas in reality, it's highlighting the fact that companies haven't a clue what kind of content their names are appearing alongside, they simply rely on Google/Youtube to do their jobs for them. If there's going to be a shift in this space, it'll be one which more closely mirrors that of the TV and print space where the job is carried out by dedicated marketing people looking to protect their own brands.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭ Robert ninja


    It helps if you can remember as to why there's a demand for holding publishers' feet to the fire as well and calling out bad practices. It's resonating with people because it's what's lacking among mainstream outlets (not because it's just negative) whom have staff that don't understand video games, don't know how to play video games, have no love of or passion for them and often openly hate them and the audience or see their job as an excuse to spew their politics.

    Remember the "entitled gamer" crap?
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/01/22/upset-dmc-fans-are-entitled-because-thats-what-we-call-people-who-complain-about-video-games/
    totalbiscuit did a video ways back https://youtu.be/0sYp-eggD1Q

    No matter how many videos you list that are negative of X game or Y celebrity (those poor millionaires and conglomerates), it's dwarfed by the amount of gamer-hating, greed-apologising shlock and damage that outlets have been releasing for years now.





  • Registered Users Posts: 14,807 ✭✭✭✭ Enfilade




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,725 ✭✭✭ marcbrophy


    Enfilade wrote: »

    If you search "game" on the Windows store app, you will see a title called "Xbox Game Pass PC Games" but you get an error message when you click into it. It'll probably go live later today :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,807 ✭✭✭✭ Enfilade




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    I remember when the Quartering got a "please f*ck off" letter from Bethesda and he tried to spin it that he now had a contact in the company.
    God loves a trier.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,606 ✭✭✭✭ ERG89


    I remember when the Quartering got a "please f*ck off" letter from Bethesda

    Ha Ha Ha that's the best news I've read all week :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ FAILSAFE 00


    Great to see The quatering cleaning up on YouTube. His channel is blowing up with subscribers.

    Highly entertaining videos :)


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 26,869 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    Great to see The quatering cleaning up on YouTube. His channel is blowing up with subscribers.

    Highly entertaining videos :)

    Valiant attempt FAILSAFE, but you’re mistaking our pointing and laughing at TheQuartering with outrage :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭ nix


    I honestly dont know why people watch the quatering, he literally reads news off websites, very slowly and drawn out so he bypasses the 10min marker for the $$$$ :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ FAILSAFE 00


    nix wrote: »
    I honestly dont know why people watch the quatering, he literally reads news off websites, very slowly and drawn out so he bypasses the 10min marker for the $$$$ :confused:

    Entertainment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,606 ✭✭✭✭ ERG89


    nix wrote:
    I honestly dont know why people watch the quatering, he literally reads news off websites, very slowly and drawn out so he bypasses the 10min marker for the $$$$

    It's YouTube a lot of sh!te on it attracts a large amount of flies so to speak, just look at the trending tab on there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,022 ✭✭✭✭ Dyr


    nix wrote: »
    I honestly dont know why people watch the quatering, he literally reads news off websites, very slowly and drawn out so he bypasses the 10min marker for the $$$$ :confused:

    Was it something to do with him exposing those paedo GMs in the Magic scene that Wizards of the Coast were ignoring?

    What is it with sex predators and the right side of history? Makes you wonder :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭ kunst nugget


    Bambi wrote: »
    Was it something to do with him exposing those paedo GMs in the Magic scene that Wizards of the Coast were ignoring?

    What is it with sex predators and the right side of history? Makes you wonder :confused:

    What, like those left leaning organisations, the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭ nix


    Bambi wrote: »
    Was it something to do with him exposing those paedo GMs in the Magic scene that Wizards of the Coast were ignoring?

    What is it with sex predators and the right side of history? Makes you wonder :confused:


    Wow wow wow, he exposed them? or do you mean he read aloud an article done by someone else of them being exposed? :confused:


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 26,869 CMod ✭✭✭✭ johnny_ultimate


    Mod note: Annyhow folks we’ve had our little tangent, let’s get back to news please.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭ Robert ninja


    nix wrote: »
    I honestly dont know why people watch the quatering, he literally reads news off websites, very slowly and drawn out so he bypasses the 10min marker for the $$$$ :confused:
    Reaction and commentary has been a thing on the internet for over a decade now. Pick a topic and you'll likely find someone who does very similar stuff. I like YongYeah in the same way except he just heavily scripts it instead of adlibbing. TheQuatering is borderline live in the way he does it. Everyone's got their style.
    ERG89 wrote: »
    It's YouTube a lot of sh!te on it attracts a large amount of flies so to speak, just look at the trending tab on there.
    The trending tab is actually literally just hand-picked content from YT staff.


    Great to see The quatering cleaning up on YouTube. His channel is blowing up with subscribers.

    Highly entertaining videos smile.png

    It's great to see him doing so well and he deserves it. Dude literally got a blue checkmark to apologise via court order for physically assaulting him in their soyrage. :D He'll unfortunately probably just get demonitised, shadowbanned and driven off the platform for wrongthink like a lot are right now.


    In news
    So hard to find anything not E3 related but seems DOA is on point with their guest characters as usual, if nothing else
    https://nichegamer.com/2019/06/09/dead-or-alive-6-dlc-characters-mai-shiranui-kula-diamond-announced/


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,630 ✭✭✭✭ Zero-Cool


    Another report from Jason Schreir about ****ty game companies, this time Treyarch. Wow, being a QA tester for Black Ops 4 sounded shyte.

    https://kotaku.com/the-human-cost-of-call-of-duty-black-ops-4-1835859016


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,149 ✭✭✭✭ super_furry


    Schreir really is doing great work in exposing all this bull**** at the moment. The only way it's ever going to change it through stronger labour laws or unionisation and the former seems very unlikely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,867 ✭✭✭✭ Penn


    Promotional posters released for The Witcher TV series
    https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/the-witcher-netflix-shares-official-look-at-fantasy-show/

    witcher-poster.jpg?quality=50&format=jpg

    (posters for Geralt, Yennifer and Ciri also on that link)


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,022 ✭✭✭✭ Dyr


    Netflix is the new straight-to-DVD.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,423 ✭✭✭✭ J. Marston


    The quality of their stuff has plummeted in recent years but I'm holding out hope that this is good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭ kunst nugget


    Bambi wrote: »
    Netflix is the new straight-to-DVD.

    That literally makes no sense in this instance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,022 ✭✭✭✭ Dyr


    "The worst series are the ones we create"


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,884 ✭✭✭✭ Varik


    Zero-Cool wrote: »
    Another report from Jason Schreir about ****ty game companies, this time Treyarch. Wow, being a QA tester for Black Ops 4 sounded shyte.

    https://kotaku.com/the-human-cost-of-call-of-duty-black-ops-4-1835859016

    i-vwGpxxv-2100x20000.jpg


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