Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

tuxy · 07-06-2019 05:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I dunno how many times I've seen an articulated truck get tailgated by some asshole that sits right behind them, then when the truck driver is actually considerate enough to pull into the hard shoulder, the moron that was up their ass pulls back and maintains their speed... Like what the fcuk are you doing?!

I despise slow drivers.

Have you any idea how good a draft an artic gives?
There people are saving the environment!
You can save so much fuel on a long journey. However you don't need to tailgate there is still a large reduction in air resistance if you follow a safe 2 seconds back. Doing it on single carriageway roads is dangerous, you need more lanes so people can get by safely if they want.

AndrewJRenko · 07-06-2019 07:47PM

Infini wrote: »

As far as things stand driving excessively slow is just as bad as driving too fast, its hazardous and others do not want to be caught behind then because they dont know what they're going to do and its extra stress having to anticipate them. Even worse when they hog the road and dont move to allow people to pass them out.

So when you say 'just as bad', is driving too slow a factor in about a third of the 150 or so road deaths each year?

Pretzill · 07-06-2019 11:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What wrecks my head is when I approach a car crawling along at 50 in an 80, and I overtake them, they start flashing and beeping like I'm some kind...

I despise slow drivers.

Happened to me today on an 80 road some eegit overtook me while I was doing 50. He obviously hadn't seen the temporary signs erected because of roadworks - I didn't flash him though just an internal "wan*er" uttered. ðŸ˜‰

corks finest · 08-06-2019 07:02AM

Pretzill wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What wrecks my head is when I approach a car crawling along at 50 in an 80, and I overtake them, they start flashing and beeping like I'm some kind...

I despise slow drivers.

Happened to me today on an 80 road some eegit overtook me while I was doing 50. He obviously hadn't seen the temporary signs erected because of roadworks - I didn't flash him though just an internal "wan*er" uttered. ðŸ˜‰

Yeah it's not worth it ,I find after flashing etc in the that I feel like a fool afterwards , honestly try and not do it anymore- and anyway an eejit will always be an eejit and won't change their bad habits

08-06-2019 12:03PM

Pretzill wrote: »

Happened to me today on an 80 road some eegit overtook me while I was doing 50. He obviously hadn't seen the temporary signs erected because of roadworks - I didn't flash him though just an internal "wan*er" uttered. &#55357;&#56841;

In fairness, if there are temporary signs up, then I'd just consider that the speed limit (whether I actually agree with the signs being there or not, they are effectively the limit).

So in that case I would say you were doing 50 in a 50, rather than 50 in an 80.

Personally, if it's a Sunday, with no one working on site, and the temporary speed limit is stupidly low, thats the time i will certainly abide by it, because I presume that's the time there'll be a speed van hanging around.

phelant · 09-06-2019 11:24AM

blade1 wrote: »

Speed cam vans.
Anyone else ever behind someone that's doing 10 or more under the speed limit and they hit the brakes when they spot a speed cam.
Muppets seem to have no idea of the speed they are traveling at. :pac:

Then they maintain normal road speed through the village with a 50 posted, makes no sense

blade1 wrote: »

It should be if you are going too slow.

What is too slow generally.

Anteayer wrote: »

Statistically speaking, Ireland far, far safer to drive in than the US on a per capita and on a per 100,000km driven basis.

We're amongst the safest places in the world to drive but, based on the commentary you'd think it was some kind of insane mayhem on the roads.

I find Irish driving pretty sedate. What usually causes most issues is people who either don't indicate or are extremely hesitant or have poor driving skills.

All of the most dangerous things I've seen on the roads here have been about poor and slow merging or dozy driving. It's relatively rare to see very agressive driving and I am comparing that to Belgium and Germany where it's very common.

I think the majority of drivers are safe but do tend to make huge allowances for that 1% muppet contingent that never seem to get caught. That is what keeps our roads relatively safe. The majority being extremely vigilant and expecting the worst.

Anteayer wrote: »

The one I find weird is this:

You're driving along in cruise control on a motorway at 120km/h.
Car overtakes you and pulls in on front of you and drops to about 110 or even less.
You overtake again and put clear distance between and them and lock into cruise at 120.
The car does it again!

This repeats several times.

I wish that someone could explain this. It’s something I simply don’t get. And I’d happens a fair bit.

corks finest · 09-06-2019 01:52PM

phelant wrote: »

blade1 wrote: »

Speed cam vans.
Anyone else ever behind someone that's doing 10 or more under the speed limit and they hit the brakes when they spot a speed cam.
Muppets seem to have no idea of the speed they are traveling at. :pac:

Then they maintain normal road speed through the village with a 50 posted, makes no sense

blade1 wrote: »

It should be if you are going too slow.

What is too slow generally.

Anteayer wrote: »

Statistically speaking, Ireland far, far safer to drive in than the US on a per capita and on a per 100,000km driven basis.

We're amongst the safest places in the world to drive but, based on the commentary you'd think it was some kind of insane mayhem on the roads.

I find Irish driving pretty sedate. What usually causes most issues is people who either don't indicate or are extremely hesitant or have poor driving skills.

All of the most dangerous things I've seen on the roads here have been about poor and slow merging or dozy driving. It's relatively rare to see very agressive driving and I am comparing that to Belgium and Germany where it's very common.

I think the majority of drivers are safe but do tend to make huge allowances for that 1% muppet contingent that never seem to get caught. That is what keeps our roads relatively safe. The majority being extremely vigilant and expecting the worst.

Anteayer wrote: »

The one I find weird is this:

You're driving along in cruise control on a motorway at 120km/h.
Car overtakes you and pulls in on front of you and drops to about 110 or even less.
You overtake again and put clear distance between and them and lock into cruise at 120.
The car does it again!

This repeats several times.

I wish that someone could explain this. It’s something I simply don’t get. And I’d happens a fair bit.

Same vvv annoying and frustrating and bewildering

Duckjob · 10-06-2019 11:23AM

My my, we really don't do personal responsibility at all here in little ole Ireland, do we?

Only in Ireland will you have people who make decisions to speed and make decisions to overtake dangerously and then label the slower drivers as "dangerous".

For anyone interested in a quick physics refresher - Road injuries and fatalities in traffic collisions are caused by dissipation of high kinetic energy visited directly on people, or crushing caused to high kinetic energy visited on vehicles. The main functions of kinetic energy are MASS and VELOCITY. Higher velocity means more kinetic energy that has to dissipate in the event of a collision - more damage, more injuries, more fatalities.

Only place I can think of where being slow is legitimately dangerous is joining a motorway where you are entering lanes that already have high speed and heavy traffic. The rest is down to people making personal choices to up the danger level on our roads for the sake of what is in reality tiny gains of time.

the_pen_turner · 10-06-2019 11:28AM

Duckjob wrote: »

My my, we really don't do personal responsibility at all here in little ole Ireland, do we?

Only in Ireland will you have people who make decisions to speed and make decisions to overtake dangerously and then label the slower drivers as "dangerous".

For anyone interested in a quick physics refresher - Road injuries and fatalities in traffic collisions are caused by dissipation of high kinetic energy visited directly on people, or crushing caused to high kinetic energy visited on vehicles. The main functions of kinetic energy are MASS and VELOCITY. Higher velocity means more kinetic energy that has to dissipate in the event of a collision - more damage, more injuries, more fatalities.

Only place I can think of where being slow is legitimately dangerous is joining a motorway where you are entering lanes that already have high speed and heavy traffic. The rest is down to people making personal choices to up the danger level on our roads for the sake of what is in reality tiny gains of time.

That's simply irrelevant. All that dictate how bad an accident will be or how much damage will result. It will have very little to do with what causes most accidents.

Duckjob · 10-06-2019 11:49AM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

That's simply irrelevant. All that dictate how bad an accident will be or how much damage will result. It will have very little to do with what causes most accidents.

What causes most accidents? That would be the personal choice not to drive in a manner appropiate for the circumstances (Hint: the pink slip in your pocket means you're expected to be able to do that). And in those situations when those people making those bad choices misjudge and a collision ensues the science bit becomes very relevant.

But as I said we don't do personal responsibility in Ireland. The spoiled entitled child mentality comes to the fore and it's WAH WAH WAH, someone elses fault I decided to drive dangerously and caused a collision WAH WAH WAH

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 12:02PM

Duckjob wrote: »

My my, we really don't do personal responsibility at all here in little ole Ireland, do we?

Only in Ireland will you have people who make decisions to speed and make decisions to overtake dangerously and then label the slower drivers as "dangerous".

For anyone interested in a quick physics refresher - Road injuries and fatalities in traffic collisions are caused by dissipation of high kinetic energy visited directly on people, or crushing caused to high kinetic energy visited on vehicles. The main functions of kinetic energy are MASS and VELOCITY. Higher velocity means more kinetic energy that has to dissipate in the event of a collision - more damage, more injuries, more fatalities.

Only place I can think of where being slow is legitimately dangerous is joining a motorway where you are entering lanes that already have high speed and heavy traffic. The rest is down to people making personal choices to up the danger level on our roads for the sake of what is in reality tiny gains of time.

Most of this is rubbish. If you’re worried about “ MASS and VELOCITY don’t drive at all. You could be driving at a modest 80kmhr and if you hit a wall or tree good chance you’ll perish anyway.

The problem is human nature. We can’t help ourselves, we are impatient. If people stuck closer to the speed limits instead of doing 70 in a 100 etc there would be less “ dangerous overtaking”.

Duckjob · 10-06-2019 12:11PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The problem is human nature. We can’t help ourselves, we are impatient. If people stuck closer to the speed limits instead of doing 70 in a 100 etc there would be less “ dangerous overtaking”.

...aaaand personal responsility shirking post in 3.. 2.. 1.. and there it is

beauf · 10-06-2019 12:17PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

.... If people stuck closer to the speed limits instead of doing 70 in a 100 etc there would be less “ dangerous overtaking”.

Problem with your theory is that some vehicles are (by law) limited to lower speeds than some of the limits. Other drivers are expected to have the ability to deal with this safely....

beauf · 10-06-2019 12:19PM

Duckjob wrote: »

...Only place I can think of where being slow is legitimately dangerous is joining a motorway ....

Well there are other situations. Which is why lack of progress is a thing. Also careless driving, or driving without due care and attention.

But its completely over stated on this thread.

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 12:21PM

beauf wrote: »

Problem with your theory is that some vehicles are (by law) limited to lower speeds than some of the limits. Other drivers are expected to have the ability to deal with this safely....

Maybe but most of the slow drivers aren’t limited .

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 12:22PM

Duckjob wrote: »

...aaaand personal responsility shirking post in 3.. 2.. 1.. and there it is

No idea what you’re trying to say to be honest.

Duckjob · 10-06-2019 12:27PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

No idea what you’re trying to say to be honest.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Personal_responsibility

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/shirk

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 12:29PM

Duckjob wrote: »

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Personal_responsibility

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/shirk

Either way it doesn’t change the fact if you took slow drivers out of the equation there would be less dangerous overtaking.

beauf · 10-06-2019 12:30PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Maybe but most of the slow drivers aren’t limited .

They are. But you are not thinking of wide range of driving ability thats allowed, not just your very narrow parameters. "Must drive at the limit"

biko · 10-06-2019 12:31PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Either way it doesn’t change the fact if you took slow drivers out of the equation there would be less dangerous overtaking.

Sounds like the old "look what you made me do" argument :P

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 12:35PM

biko wrote: »

Sounds like the old "look what you made me do" argument :P

No argument here, i have done over 2 million miles on irish roads in 30 years and i know what is fact or fiction ;-)

Duckjob · 10-06-2019 12:37PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Either way it doesn’t change the fact if you took slow drivers out of the equation there would be less dangerous overtaking.

Probably not actually - all that happens if you do that is the culture of entitlement and impatience grows even worse than it is now.

People will always find ways to be create danger unnecessarily on the road. The answer to good road safety is the opposite - calmness and courtesy.

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 12:39PM

Duckjob wrote: »

Probably not actually - all that happens if you do that is the culture of entitlement and impatience grows even worse than it is now.

People will always find ways to be create danger unnecessarily on the road. The answer to good road safety is the opposite - calmness and courtesy.

Wrong again, like i said i have clocked over 2 million miles and anytime i see dangerous overtaking it’s mostly is when a slow driver is at the top of the queue. I see it all the time.

Duckjob · 10-06-2019 12:44PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Wrong again, like i said i have clocked over 2 million miles and anytime i see dangerous overtaking it’s mostly is when a slow driver is at the top of the queue. I see it all the time.

Are the cars doing the dangerous overtakes driven autonomously or are they overriding the drivers inputs in some way?

beauf · 10-06-2019 12:47PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Wrong again, like i said i have clocked over 2 million miles and anytime i see dangerous overtaking it’s mostly is when a slow driver is at the top of the queue. I see it all the time.

Odd then, that you didn't seem to know not everyone is allowed is allowed to drive at the limit.

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 01:07PM

beauf wrote: »

Odd then, that you didn't seem to know not everyone is allowed is allowed to drive at the limit.

Ah right i didn’t know that most people around the 60 ish mark daydreaming and picking their noses are all limited. Most drivers aren’t limited so now you’re talking rubbish.

10-06-2019 01:07PM

Duckjob wrote: »

Probably not actually - all that happens if you do that is the culture of entitlement and impatience grows even worse than it is now.

Like thinking it's fine to toddle along well below the limit causing a big tailback, wasting everyone else's time, just because it's the way you decide you want to drive, and to hell with all others with whom we share the roads.

facehugger99 · 10-06-2019 01:19PM

Duckjob wrote: »

Probably not actually - all that happens if you do that is the culture of entitlement and impatience grows even worse than it is now.

People will always find ways to be create danger unnecessarily on the road. The answer to good road safety is the opposite - calmness and courtesy.

I've witnessed people overtaking a slow driver in a dangerous manner (approach to a corner or crest of a hill etc) - it's usually because they've been stuck behind someone traveling at 60kph on a 100kph road for miles.

i'd rather not be coming around that corner when it happens.

Of course you can sit in an ivory tower and pretend a slow and inconsiderate driver is within their rights to constantly have a tailback of cars behind them, but it's not really reflective of the frustration these guys are causing on the roads.

Micky 32 · 10-06-2019 01:27PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I've witnessed people overtaking a slow driver in a dangerous manner (approach to a corner or crest of a hill etc) - it's usually because they've been stuck behind someone traveling at 60kph on a 100kph road for miles.

i'd rather not be coming around that corner when it happens.

Of course you can sit in an ivory tower and pretend a slow and inconsiderate driver is within their rights to constantly have a tailback of cars behind them, but it's not really reflective of the frustration these guys are causing on the roads.

Agreed i usually see dangerous overtaking when there’s a slow driver, when everything is moving at a nice pace i rarely see it. But i suppose if someone wants to drive 60kmhr it’s their right and they aren’t breaking the law. I also drive in the states a lot and on the parkways 55 is the limit and 40 mph is the minimum,

mgn · 10-06-2019 01:40PM

No problem with slow drivers but is it much to ask them to check their mirrors and when the see a few cars behind them trying to overtake,pull over for a few seconds,that's all it takes.Makes everyone's life less stressful especially people that has to drive long distances every day.

Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

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