Slow drivers.... Slow for a reason...

beauf

blade1 wrote: »

They should have penalty points for slow drivers.

There are other offences they can use. What is needed is enforcement.

blade1

beauf wrote: »

There are other offences they can use. What is needed is enforcement.

Speed cam vans.
Anyone else ever behind someone that's doing 10 or more under the speed limit and they hit the brakes when they spot a speed cam.
Muppets seem to have no idea of the speed they are traveling at. :pac:

beauf

All they need is a patrol car to see someone holding up a line of other cars, then pull them over and do them for careless driving etc.

"... driving without due care and attention or careless driving is defined as; Driving that falls below the standard expected of a competent driver; or. Driving that does not show reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or pathways..."

Do that enough and people will stop doing it.

Dravokivich

beauf wrote: »

I don't see why you want them CLOSER to you. Personally I let them by fast as possible. They are more likely to have an accident and I'd prefer they do that somewhere else.

It's interesting that many tailgaters slow down once they have no one in front of them. They need a car in front to match speed with. They struggle to keep a constant speed without someone to follow.

If I speed up, they'll only close the gap. If something happens itd be better with less force involved. The last person to tailgate me, almost crashed into me when they went straight through a lane that filters right. While I was going straight. There was no opportunity for them to overtake me on account of curbs on the road ahead. After which traffic was congested in the opposite side. Which had entrances to housing estates. I wasnt going to speed up know that person was going to be withington a couple of metres regardless of what I was doing. Slowing down was the only thing I could do to reduce risk.

Dravokivich

is_that_so wrote: »

Each to their own but life is really far too short to involve them in my life any longer than is necessary.

While close to me they cant see what I can see. If I have to respond to something, they cant. I slow down because I dont want to be involved with them.

blade1

Dravokivich wrote: »

While close to me they cant see what I can see. If I have to respond to something, they cant. I slow down because I dont want to be involved with them.

What if someone isn't tailgating but you can see them coming.
Do you let them by?

Dravokivich

blade1 wrote: »

What if someone isn't tailgating but you can see them coming.
Do you let them by?

If they want to get by, I'm not going to get in their way. If they cant get by. It's not my problem.

blade1

Dravokivich wrote: »

If they want to get by, I'm not going to get in their way. If they cant get by. It's not my problem.

It should be if you are going too slow.

beauf

Dravokivich wrote: »

....The last person to tailgate me, almost crashed into me....

... LOL.

I know someone is a late braker, brakes hard last minute constantly, despite many people telling them its a bad habit they still do it. Every car they've ever owned has been hit from the rear hard enough to need a a lot of repair, and they have neck and shoulder issues.

They still brake late, syaing its someone else problem. Their physio and car repair bills suggest otherwise.

Dravokivich

beauf wrote: »

... LOL.

I know someone is a late braker, brakes hard last minute constantly, despite many people telling them its a bad habit they still do it. Every car they've ever owned has been hit from the rear hard enough to need a a lot of repair, and they have neck and shoulder issues.

They still brake late, syaing its someone else problem. Their physio and car repair bills suggest otherwise.

They went the wrong way through a junction and you think I'm a late breaker?

Dravokivich

blade1 wrote: »

It should be if you are going too slow.

I'm not. I drive to conditions.

beauf

Dravokivich wrote: »

They went the wrong way through a junction and you think I'm a late breaker?

I didn't say you were a late breaker? Jeez... :rolleyes:

But don't think what you are doing isn't a factor in what you are seeing.

blade1

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'm not. I drive to conditions.

You are not who the thread is about so.

beauf

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'm not. I drive to conditions.

Other traffic is a condition.

Dravokivich

beauf wrote: »

I didn't say you were a late breaker? Jeez... :rolleyes:

But don't think what you are doing isn't a factor in what you are seeing.

Eh... all it takes is 1 person to show they dont care for what's going on around them. I try to be as conscious of what's happening as much as I can. I see someone doing something stupid already, I consider what else they might do. They drive close behind me in an aggressive manner, I let off the throttle. They dont back off, I drop gears. I really dont see the complication in the matter.

It's quite something when you leave out the reason why they almost crashed into me. I made it quite clear.

Micky 32

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

About 100 people are killed each day on US roads, around 30k a year. Tell me more about this 'great driving' there?

Did you read my post properly? I said i think it’s great driving there in respect to you rarely get stuck behind a slow driver. I’m well aware of the antics of crazy drivers over there, that’s a different topic than the one in the thread.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

If I speed up, they'll only close the gap. If something happens itd be better with less force involved. The last person to tailgate me, almost crashed into me when they went straight through a lane that filters right. While I was going straight. There was no opportunity for them to overtake me on account of curbs on the road ahead. After which traffic was congested in the opposite side. Which had entrances to housing estates. I wasnt going to speed up know that person was going to be withington a couple of metres regardless of what I was doing. Slowing down was the only thing I could do to reduce risk.

Isn't this just proving the previous posters' points that by refusing to let them pass, you're just increasing the chance of getting hit yourself? Yes they're reckless, and no I don't condone what they're doing, but its far easier to just let them pass and then they're not your problem anymore. As has been said already, if they're going to have an accident, I'd rather it's far away from me.

Dravokivich

beauf wrote: »

Other traffic is a condition.

Ah screw you already. What are you after? Are you pushing tailgating is due to a lack of progress? I was behind someone recently who didn't progress. I still kept adequate distance behind them.

Dravokivich

Flying Fox wrote: »

Isn't this just proving the previous posters' points that by refusing to let them pass, you're just increasing the chance of getting hit yourself? Yes they're reckless, and no I don't condone what they're doing, but its far easier to just let them pass and then they're not your problem anymore. As has been said already, if they're going to have an accident, I'd rather it's far away from me.

Read it again. They almost crashed into me before tailgating. Because they went the wrong way through a junction.

Micky 32

realdanbreen wrote: »

Really? I spend lot of time in South Carolina. The state is similar in size and population to Ireland. Do you know that road deaths average 750 per year there! An appalling death rate and appalling driving habits.

I wasn’t talking about road deaths. I’m talking about slow drivers. You rarely get stuck behind them. I have about 100k done on USA roads. Death rates are high over there because most motorways are over crowded and i have seen drivers do crazy things that you wouldn’t see here too often.

Isambard

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

About 100 people are killed each day on US roads, around 30k a year. Tell me more about this 'great driving' there?

the World's third biggest population. 8 killed in little old Ireland last week.

Micky 32

Isambard wrote: »

the World's third biggest population. 8 killed in little old Ireland last week.

Not to mention the amount of cars per area compared to here, traffic is huge over there.

Dravokivich

Dravokivich wrote: »

Read it again. They almost crashed into me before tailgating. Because they went the wrong way through a junction.

I'm referring to that post in the context of your previous posts as well.

Tailgaters do stupid, reckless things behind the wheel, as you've seen in that example. Maybe in that case there was no opportunity to pass, but your general attitude is that you'll never let them pass out of principle. I agree with other posters that where possible, it's safer to do just that.

Yes they're in the wrong, but I'm not risking my own safety to prove a point.

beauf

Dravokivich wrote: »

Eh... all it takes is 1 person to show they dont care for what's going on around them. I try to be as conscious of what's happening as much as I can. I see someone doing something stupid already, I consider what else they might do. They drive close behind me in an aggressive manner, I let off the throttle. They dont back off, I drop gears. I really dont see the complication in the matter.

It's quite something when you leave out the reason why they almost crashed into me. I made it quite clear.

Oh its quite clear....

Don't police the road to teach a tailgater a lesson or be tempted to drive well under the speed limit or repeatedly touch your brakes to make your point – this only increases the risk of a collision

Just as it is never okay to tailgate, it’s also not okay to try and force them to slow down using your own vehicle.

Try to stay calm and always stick to the speed limit. If you are on a dual carriageway pull in and let them pass when safe to do so and if you are on a single carriageway continue at an appropriate speed or pull over somewhere safe and let the person behind pass if they are persistent, it's not worth breaking the law or getting into an accident over.

If you’re faced with a tailgater as soon as you can, and it's safe to do so, let them pass.

“It can be tempting to hold them up, however, this will only further frustrate the tailgater and it’s just not worth it as the situation could escalate into road rage.”

So pulling over and letting an aggressive tailgater pass is the best thing to do to diffuse the situation.

Anteayer

Isambard wrote: »

the World's third biggest population. 8 killed in little old Ireland last week.

Statistically speaking, Ireland far, far safer to drive in than the US on a per capita and on a per 100,000km driven basis.

We're amongst the safest places in the world to drive but, based on the commentary you'd think it was some kind of insane mayhem on the roads.

I find Irish driving pretty sedate. What usually causes most issues is people who either don't indicate or are extremely hesitant or have poor driving skills.

All of the most dangerous things I've seen on the roads here have been about poor and slow merging or dozy driving. It's relatively rare to see very agressive driving and I am comparing that to Belgium and Germany where it's very common.

corks finest

Dravokivich wrote: »

is_that_so wrote: »

Each to their own but life is really far too short to involve them in my life any longer than is necessary.

While close to me they cant see what I can see. If I have to respond to something, they cant. I slow down because I dont want to be involved with them.

Dash cam stops a lot of clowns tailgating, somebody tailgates me I slow down until they back off,and if room I'll give way

beauf

Anteayer wrote: »

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We're amongst the safest places in the world to drive but, based on the commentary you'd think it was some kind of insane mayhem on the roads.

I find Irish driving pretty sedate. What usually causes most issues is people who either don't indicate or are extremely hesitant or have poor driving skills.

All of the most dangerous things I've seen on the roads here have been about poor and slow merging or dozy driving. It's relatively rare to see very agressive driving and I am comparing that to Belgium and Germany where it's very common.

Very common on my route. Usually lack of patience or just simply bullying people out of their way.
I've seen a few people get out and throw punches at each other. Lot of dangerous driving.

beauf

corks finest wrote: »

Dash cam stops a lot of clowns tailgating, somebody tailgates me I slow down until they back off,and if room I'll give way

How do they know you have a rear facing dash cam?

AndrewJRenko

Isambard wrote: »

the World's third biggest population. 8 killed in little old Ireland last week.

I'm sure that will be great comfort to the families of the 100 people killed on US roads today.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Did you read my post properly? I said i think it’s great driving there in respect to you rarely get stuck behind a slow driver. I’m well aware of the antics of crazy drivers over there, that’s a different topic than the one in the thread.

Do you need someone to explain the connection between fast driving and death rates?

AndrewJRenko

Anteayer wrote: »

We're amongst the safest places in the world to drive but, based on the commentary you'd think it was some kind of insane mayhem on the roads.

I find Irish driving pretty sedate. What usually causes most issues is people who either don't indicate or are extremely hesitant or have poor driving skills.

We have 2 or 3 people killed on our roads each week here on average. We have 60%-82% of motorists breaking speed limits depending on which year of the RSA Speed Survey you look at. We are 2nd worst in Europe for checking social media while driving in the Aviva pan-European survey.


We're pretty crap really.