When They See Us (Netflix)

Watched all of this yesterday. Top five miniseries for me.
It's based on a true story and from what I've read it's very close to the facts in the parts where they are not disputed.

I recommend to all as a must watch, story, cast, the way it's shot are all perfect.

corkie wrote:

^^^ Learn to search before starting a New Thread?

I must have made an error in my search.

It hardly needs spoilers as it's a true story with widely available facts...

fin12 wrote: »

I’m watching episode 4 now, it’s awful what happening to Cory and feel like it’s the hardest episode to watch.

I'm cracking on to ep 4 tonight

I don’t know is it as black and white as the show is showing, they didn’t rape that woman as confirmed by DNA but what were they doing in the park?

fin12 wrote: »

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/238071/central-park-five-still-guilty-jack-kerwick

Thanks for that but even that's very one sided in the other direction. No mention of blood on the suspects in the show? A lot of facts omitted for drama?

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/07/25/central-park-rapists-trump-was-right-n2503894

I know this article is very one sided but on reflection the show is very one sided also.

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/07/25/central-park-rapists-trump-was-right-n2503894

fin12 wrote: »

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/07/25/central-park-rapists-trump-was-right-n2503894

I know this article is very one sided but on reflection the show is very one sided also.

https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2018/07/25/central-park-rapists-trump-was-right-n2503894

If some of those quotes are in fact true, it rubbishes this show completely.

theteal wrote: »

That's what I didn't warm to. Hence the trail verdict is completely at odds with what the viewer has been presented. It's just a bit too one-sided and somewhat difficult to believe.

Agreed, I don’t know how the jury found them guilty based on what we saw? There wasn’t a shred of evidence apart from coerced confessions.

Let's just clarify things here the websites linked here are Ann Coulter articles. Yes that Ann Coulter darling of the far right . Promoter of trump the very same trump who took out articles in the 80s to call for the death sentence on these teenagers.

I wouldn't take a word in them as fact nor the poster that posted them. It's gas when even the TV section of the forum gets polluted with this opinion nonsense. Or is it gas..... No let's go with Sad.

Great show, quality TV.

The actor who played Korey Wise was brilliant i thought.

Shelga wrote: »

Agreed, I don’t know how the jury found them guilty based on what we saw? There wasn’t a shred of evidence apart from coerced confessions.

According to Wiki:

Jurors who were interviewed after the trials said that they were not convinced by the youths' confessions, but were impressed by the physical evidence introduced by the prosecutors: semen (although none of the defendants' DNA matched the two samples in the evidence, both noted as belonging to another, unidentified man), grass, dirt, and two hairs described as "consistent with" the victim's hair[4]:6 that were recovered from Richardson's underpants.[53] (Note: More advanced DNA testing in 2002 established that, in fact, these hairs in Richardson's clothes did not come from the victim.)[54]

But with DNA evidence still comprising a new kind of testimony at most trials, the jurors did not seem to understand the most important evidence: the fact that each of the five defendants' DNA was conclusively excluded from matching that found in two samples, both of which belonged to another, unidentified male. The FBI witness testified that in fact, the DNA of a total of 14 men was tested, including Meili's former boyfriend, and in each case was excluded as not matching those samples collected from the victim and a sock at the scene

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

The whole thing seems like propaganda. Another example is the way they tried to make the female cyclist look a whiny crybaby. Stupid woman with your white privilege. Just take your beating and stop complaining.

I didn't receive it that way at all, I thought they portrayed her as very dignified and literally just laying out the facts of what she could remember and how she had been physically affected.

Yeah, I remember putting the last episode on pause momentarily a few times to check how long was left Thinking how much more could he take.

I watched this and really enjoyed it and had always an eye on the story in the past so I knew it quite well,

One thing that I found odd the guy who played Korey Wise seemed to play him as a normal kid at the beginning and only really got across that Korey was a slow learner from when it went to court onwards ,

That actor is in the Oscar winning movie Moonlight and also Mr Mercedes , he is a great young actor,

Hazys wrote: »

Great show but it did seem too biased towards that the kids were complete angels. I was trying to look for some more balanced info but it was hard to find. The only articles i could find were too biased in the opposite direction. Basically all the articles were right wing nuts only calling the kids guilty so they could defend Trump's actions during the time :rolleyes:.

I did find an interesting reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhenTheySeeUs/comments/bwsbjf/how_biased_was_the_show_lets_look_at_the_real/

I think the reason this story will seem biased is because the reporting of the facts will make it seem biased. If you want facts you can watch the documentary, The Central Park 5, by Ken Burns. If you watch that you will, in hindsight, be baffled how anyone could have thought these kids were involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GNptTI9Gmc

Here is a NY Times story about it as well, The True Story of How a City in Fear Brutalized the Central Park Five, and here is a few quotes that I find just as disturbing about what we know now.

After months of investigation, Manhattan district attorney Robert M. Morgenthau concluded Mr. Reyes knew what he was talking about, and that the five boys had not. Their confessions were a mash of error. Mr. Morgenthau moved to vacate the verdicts his office had won. The original story dissolved in a meticulous 58-page report, written by two senior assistants, Nancy Ryan and Peter Casolaro.

It documented how Mr. Reyes hunted and hurt women on his own. Investigators found no connections between him and the five, or to other teens in the park that night. Two days before the attack on Ms. Meili, he had raped another woman in the park. In the three months after, he raped four others, murdering one. He always acted alone. His admissions in 2002 about the 1989 park rapes came while he was serving time for the other crimes.

So we know the group the kids was with that day was causing trouble, nobody has denied this. But seeing that it was nothing to get worked up about in a city that had 5 murders a day and almost 9 rape incidents in 1989, you have to wonder why people keep bringing this up. I am fairly certain why.

What we do have is the police botching the case and ruining the lives of 5 innocent kids and another 4 lives, one of whom was murdered. And still today those responsible for this will not take responsibility.

ok so I've been recommended this and I've a general gist of the story - but can anyone advise as to whether the rape scene is actually shown (I'd rather not watch that particular scene)